Are you fiscally liberal or conservative?

[Cogman]

Quick Poll to see what ATPN financial beliefs are.


My definition of being fiscally conservative is someone who believes in a smaller government with less intervention in the market system. IE lower/no minimum wage. less monopoly rules/enforcement, a less steep income tax bracket ect.

For a fiscally liberal its someone who believes in larger government with more intervention in the market system. IE higher minimum wage. More monopoly rules/enforcement, a steeper income tax bracket ect.

 

[StageLeft]

Most will say C just as most say they are libertarians but never actually are when push comes to shove.

 

[Cogman]

BTW, If you feel my definitions of fiscal conservative/liberal are unfair/incorrect/incomplete feel free to correct me.

 

[Uhtrinity]

BTW, If you feel my definitions of fiscal conservative/liberal are unfair/incorrect/incomplete feel free to correct me.

I see government run healthcare as being fiscally conservative. So that doesn't fit your definition. Just look at European examples in cost of healthcare as a % of GDP.

 

[JS80]

I see government run healthcare as being fiscally conservative. So that doesn't fit your definition. Just look at European examples in cost of healthcare as a % of GDP.

That's because you're a moran.

 

[Atreus21]

That's because you're a moran.

You channeling Dan Akroyd or something?

 

[MotF Bane]

I see government run healthcare as being fiscally conservative. So that doesn't fit your definition. Just look at European examples in cost of healthcare as a % of GDP.

lolwut

 

[Cogman]

I see government run healthcare as being fiscally conservative. So that doesn't fit your definition. Just look at European examples in cost of healthcare as a % of GDP.

Cost savings is not a definition of being fiscally conservative/liberal. For example, the school system could be argued as a fiscally liberal initiative as it expands the government powers while decreasing the cost of schooling.

Fiscally conservative notions are that of limiting governments influence and letting things work themselves out. Fiscally liberal initiative take the approach that things won't fixed themselves without government intervention. Cost savings is not in the definition. Both notions of thinking genuinely believe that their method results in the best standard of living at the lowest cost for a nation.

So yes, government run healthcare does not fit in the category of fiscally conservative, because it isn't.

I'm happy to be proven wrong on this point. however, I'm pretty sure that this is one instance where my definition holds the correct conventional weight.

 

[woolfe9999]

BTW, If you feel my definitions of fiscal conservative/liberal are unfair/incorrect/incomplete feel free to correct me.

Your definitions are not unfair. They are relatively common definitions. I can't answer the poll, however, because my definition of fiscally conservative means advocating a balanced budget. On small vs. big government, I'm not for either. I want effective government without waste, and no deficits.

- wolf

 

[spidey07]

Fiscally I'm very liberal. You should be able to do whatever you want with your money, aka A Capitalist. You should be able to make as much as you can, however you can short of breaking the law.

 

[Munky]

Def conservative. "Too big to fail" is an abomination of a policy.

 

[MotF Bane]

Your definitions are not unfair. They are relatively common definitions. I can't answer the poll, however, because my definition of fiscally conservative means advocating a balanced budget. On small vs. big government, I'm not for either. I want effective government without waste, and no deficits.

- wolf

Even if the government were 100% efficient (and the Martians landed tomorrow), a big government will still spend more than a small government - therefore, it will take more money from the economy. So I find a small government to be a logical extension of fiscal conservatism.

 

[Infohawk]

Most fiscal liberals tend not to admit it.

 

[thraashman]

I'm very Very VERY fiscally liberal. When you don't heavily regulate industry and have unfair practice laws and minimum wages in place then companies will exploit anything they can to make a buck. Being fiscally conservative means being a complete fucktard who thinks companies will actually do the right thing if not regulated. History has shown again and again that without intervention that companies will NOT regulate themselves. Hell the current financial crisis is due completely to a fiscally conservative approach!

 

[Munky]

I'm very Very VERY fiscally liberal. When you don't heavily regulate industry and have unfair practice laws and minimum wages in place then companies will exploit anything they can to make a buck. Being fiscally conservative means being a complete fucktard who thinks companies will actually do the right thing if not regulated. History has shown again and again that without intervention that companies will NOT regulate themselves. Hell the current financial crisis is due completely to a fiscally conservative approach!

Not that simple. The current financial crisis is also due to the Fed tampering with interest rates for far too long. Bailing out failed gambling institutions (aka "banks") also prevents the market from clearing out toxic debt.

 

[her209]

Most fiscal liberals think they are fiscal conservatives

Fixed for you.

 

[Tristicus]

How can you be fiscally liberal and be any type of sane?

 

[Patranus]

Most certainly fiscally conservative and that is the main reason I vote GOP.
Being fiscally conservative is the most important quality in anyone I would vote for to join government.

While the GOP is not as fiscally conservative as I would like, compared to the alternative they look like penny pinchers.

 

[jackace]

My biggest problem with the fiscal conservatives is they don't even follow their own fiscal policies.

 

[MJinZ]

There isn't really a difference between fiscal and social positions. Money is just a social construct. You are either liberal or you're conservative, and very occasionally moderate.

 

[Patranus]

My biggest problem with the fiscal conservatives is they don't even follow their own fiscal policies.

Agree, but you also have to look at the alternative.
One is bad while the other one is completely out of control.

 

[Mursilis]

There isn't really a difference between fiscal and social positions.

 

[woolfe9999]

Agree, but you also have to look at the alternative.
One is bad while the other one is completely out of control.

History suggests that the one which is out of control is the party you are voting for.

- wolf

 

[MJinZ]

I suppose if you happened to religiously worship the some 80% blend of cotton we call "money", then it could be a different matter.

 

[Mursilis]

I suppose if you happened to religiously worship the some 80% blend of cotton we call "money", then it could be a different matter.

Again, .

It has nothing to do with worshiping money, and everything to do with the fact that politically, social and fiscal policy can be different.

Look at me - I support MJ legalization, and don't support most federal welfare. Is that liberal or conservative to you?