Are you disgusted by cheaters (Academic) *(Kinda long)

[DDCSpeed]

This was posted by one of my professors. It is kind of odd that a professor has openly expressed his feelings about cheaters since none of my other professors expressed their personal feelings. Other professors only warn students about the cheating policies but never took the extra stride to express their opinions.

Currently I am entering my 4th year and yes, I admit that I have cheated during my early college years but no more because I have chose to take my own grade. I made a promise to myself that I will only get what I give during my sophomore year. Granted that my grades has suffered since but I have never felt better about myself. The following is what my professor posted on his website.


Are You Disgusted By Cheaters?
During my, admittedly, short time at UCI, I've had a number of good opportunities to talk to students who are as disgusted with cheating as I am. Most of these students have told me that they have personally observed cheating during homeworks and exams. In addition, most of these students seem to rely on the belief that those students that cheat will fail when they enter the workforce. While I, in general, believe that cheaters will eventually fail; most won't fail the first time they apply for a job. Many will haunt you as co-workers. Many will become your supervisor, and will rise to the level of his/her incompetence, i.e., the "Peter Principle". Some will get through the "technical" door because of personal skills alone. They will most certainly be unfairly competing with you for the higher grades in your classes. This "do-nothing", "it is not my problem" attitude will cause you problems in the end. Therefore, I'd like to suggest that when you observe someone cheating, say something, embarrass them, treat them like social outcasts, treat them like the ...s that they are! There is NO excuse for cheating! NONE!

 

[DDCSpeed]

I just want to add that now, I am more careful about who I discuss homework with now since there really a thin line with helping someone with homework and letting them copy off you once you told them the answers!!

 

[diskop]

4th year UCB. I don't cheat. I know some people who copy answers. As far as I'm concerned I really don't care.

 

[quirky]

i cheat only in the BS courses

 

[diskop]

Originally posted by: quirky
i cheat only in the BS courses

One man's BS course could be another man's liberal arts degree

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: diskop

Originally posted by: quirky
i cheat only in the BS courses

One man's BS course could be another man's liberal arts degree

Yah, watch it there!

*Philosophy Major *

 

[z0mb13]

I'm a 4th year CS major at UCB

yes I have cheated in the past, and I know regret it...

the problem is other people cheating off me..... especially my friends and relative, they expect me to give them the answers because I used to also cheat in the past......
I'm not quite sure about this, but asians usually feel that cheating is OK, and they expect other asians to cheat also, when a guy doesn't want to cheat (ie give answers) they brand him "uncool"
(btw I'm not talking about whole asians, usually those who are international students, ie FOB)



hell I almost got into big trouble when someone copied my program....

 

[Jfur]

Originally posted by: DDCSpeed
This was posted by one of my professors. It is kind of odd that a professor has openly expressed his feelings about cheaters since none of my other professors expressed their personal feelings. Other professors only warn students about the cheating policies but never took the extra stride to express their opinions.

Currently I am entering my 4th year and yes, I admit that I have cheated during my early college years but no more because I have chose to take my own grade. I made a promise to myself that I will only get what I give during my sophomore year. Granted that my grades has suffered since but I have never felt better about myself. The following is what my professor posted on his website.


Are You Disgusted By Cheaters?
During my, admittedly, short time at UCI, I've had a number of good opportunities to talk to students who are as disgusted with cheating as I am. Most of these students have told me that they have personally observed cheating during homeworks and exams. In addition, most of these students seem to rely on the belief that those students that cheat will fail when they enter the workforce. While I, in general, believe that cheaters will eventually fail; most won't fail the first time they apply for a job. Many will haunt you as co-workers. Many will become your supervisor, and will rise to the level of his/her incompetence, i.e., the "Peter Principle". Some will get through the "technical" door because of personal skills alone. They will most certainly be unfairly competing with you for the higher grades in your classes. This "do-nothing", "it is not my problem" attitude will cause you problems in the end. Therefore, I'd like to suggest that when you observe someone cheating, say something, embarrass them, treat them like social outcasts, treat them like the ...s that they are! There is NO excuse for cheating! NONE!

I am BEYOND disgusted. There was a single dickhead who really caused trouble for all of us -- they were so scared he'd sue the University they basically gave him a Ph.D. even though he is completely unqualified and consitently cheated. A number of us almost left over it
:disgust: No one wants to interview at places he did -- we're all too embarrassed.

 

[quirky]

Originally posted by: Jfur

Originally posted by: DDCSpeed
This was posted by one of my professors. It is kind of odd that a professor has openly expressed his feelings about cheaters since none of my other professors expressed their personal feelings. Other professors only warn students about the cheating policies but never took the extra stride to express their opinions.

Currently I am entering my 4th year and yes, I admit that I have cheated during my early college years but no more because I have chose to take my own grade. I made a promise to myself that I will only get what I give during my sophomore year. Granted that my grades has suffered since but I have never felt better about myself. The following is what my professor posted on his website.


Are You Disgusted By Cheaters?
During my, admittedly, short time at UCI, I've had a number of good opportunities to talk to students who are as disgusted with cheating as I am. Most of these students have told me that they have personally observed cheating during homeworks and exams. In addition, most of these students seem to rely on the belief that those students that cheat will fail when they enter the workforce. While I, in general, believe that cheaters will eventually fail; most won't fail the first time they apply for a job. Many will haunt you as co-workers. Many will become your supervisor, and will rise to the level of his/her incompetence, i.e., the "Peter Principle". Some will get through the "technical" door because of personal skills alone. They will most certainly be unfairly competing with you for the higher grades in your classes. This "do-nothing", "it is not my problem" attitude will cause you problems in the end. Therefore, I'd like to suggest that when you observe someone cheating, say something, embarrass them, treat them like social outcasts, treat them like the ...s that they are! There is NO excuse for cheating! NONE!

I am BEYOND disgusted. There was a single dickhead who really caused trouble for all of us -- they were so scared he'd sue the University they basically gave him a Ph.D. even though he is completely unqualified and consitently cheated. A number of us almost left over it
:disgust: No one wants to interview at places he did -- we're all too embarrassed.

huh??

 

[The Stigenator]

never in college but in HS yeah a few times .. during the tests (not exams).

However copying homework from a friend is not cheating.. its taking advantage of.. I have done that a few times, but then its not cheating.. i would do homework one week he would do the next week and we would copy of each other.. makes life a lot easier.

 

[poopaskoopa]

Originally posted by: The_good_guy
never in college but in HS yeah a few times .. during the tests (not exams).

However copying homework from a friend is not cheating.. its taking advantage of.. I have done that a few times, but then its not cheating.. i would do homework one week he would do the next week and we would copy of each other.. makes life a lot easier.

It's cheating. What else would you call this? It doesn't not make it cheating just because you evenly distribute the "workload", so to speak.

 

[Spac3d]

I am guessing that none of you heard about Geogia Institute of Technology's cheat finder in thier CS1 and CS2 classes? Their CS1 class, which is scheme, is a class that just about everyone has to take. CS2 is object oriented class using Java which quite a few majors have to take as weel. All homeworks are submitted to a computer which checks algorhythms against other people's HW, BAM - caught for cheating. Their cheatfinder isn't smart my friend got in trouble for copying a constructor for a person who didnt even know. I mean... come on, if you are alive you can write a constructor and I would imagine quite a few people would have similiar constructors... anyways ...

Wouldn't you know after GA Tech made the news about the cheating that the amount of applications to GA Tech dropped signicantly? They had even a larger drop of applicants to the CS department? I just transferred out of GA Tech because they have a bunch of morons working in the CS department and I wouldn't want to be associated with any of those idiots. Their cheat finder was so "effective" that they ended up not using it for second semester of 2002 - no more cheat finder for GA Tech.

Spac3d

 

[FeathersMcGraw]

Originally posted by: The_good_guy
However copying homework from a friend is not cheating.. its taking advantage of.. I have done that a few times, but then its not cheating.. i would do homework one week he would do the next week and we would copy of each other.. makes life a lot easier.

Given that academic cheating is usually defined as submitting work that you haven't done as your own, I really have no idea how you manage to justify the above. But maybe cheaters have superior rationalization skills.

 

[MrBond]

I don't cheat, unless you call asking someone what their answer was on a homework problem so you can check yours cheating. There's a kid in my class who's got one of the highest GPA's of all of us, and he cheats something terrible. He cheats off of me all the time and it makes me livid, because he always does better then me. During a final last year, he asked me a question about something when the prof wasn't even 10 feet away! I ignored him, figured the class was hard enough and I didn't want to take it over. I've noticed him doing it, my other friends have noticed him doing it, and it almost makes me sick. I work my ASS off for my grades, and he just sits there and cheats his way to a better GPA then I already have. :disgust:

 

[axelfox]

Those bastards!

 

[Cattlegod]

let me give you a few words.

i also am going into my 4th year.

i cheated a lot my first year in college.

i stopped cheating my sophmore year and my grades acutally went up. lol

my junior year i didn't buy a single book and didn't do any homework, and when homework was due, i would just write down garble and hand it in. ( only had 1 class that collected homework and he just checked to see if work was on the paper) I cheated a little that year

i dont' cheat much because most of the time when i don't cheat i score better than the person i would have cheated off of.

let me give you a few more words.

cheaters win. and they win often, they hardly every lose. they will not die in the workplace. if you think the cheaters are going to get what is coming to them then you are mistaken.

what makes it in the workplace is hard work and personality. you could have never cheated in college, but if you are up against someone who cheated every day and is more personable than you are, he will get that raise, not you.

just a little advice & info for you. sad but true.

 

[GT1999]

You know what I hate almost as much as cheating?? People who are in your same class and bug the hell out of you because they don't know anything, but want to squeeze everything you know out of you, preventing you from studying. Not as bad as cheating, but it's almost as annoying. If you want a good grade, YOU study.. don't rely on taking help from people in your class for all your studying. What makes it even more funny is when someone who would obviously never like you (jock, etc) all of a sudden wants to be your best friend, but the second the test is over with they want nothing to do with you almost.

 

[0ops]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
cheaters win. and they win often, they hardly every lose. they will not die in the workplace. if you think the cheaters are going to get what is coming to them then you are mistaken.

i agree. I hate cheaters with a passion, but they are picking up useful business skills.

 

[308nato]

If it wasn't for cheaters I would have never had any beer/datingfunds in college.

Helping someone for free is what disgusts me. Wheres their capitalistic entrepreneurial spirit ?

 

[SpongeBob]

I think everyone's definition of cheating is a little different. For example, I like to study for tests by studying old tests by the same professor. I have several classmates that have dubbed this "cheating," whereas i consider it using all available materials to your advantage.

Just copying someone else's work directly is blatant cheating, although even though I don't do it, I don't really have a problem with it because the only person you are hurting is yourself by not learning the material.

 

[wonTong]

Originally posted by: DDCSpeed
This was posted by one of my professors. It is kind of odd that a professor has openly expressed his feelings about cheaters since none of my other professors expressed their personal feelings. Other professors only warn students about the cheating policies but never took the extra stride to express their opinions.

Currently I am entering my 4th year and yes, I admit that I have cheated during my early college years but no more because I have chose to take my own grade. I made a promise to myself that I will only get what I give during my sophomore year. Granted that my grades has suffered since but I have never felt better about myself. The following is what my professor posted on his website.


Are You Disgusted By Cheaters?
During my, admittedly, short time at UCI, I've had a number of good opportunities to talk to students who are as disgusted with cheating as I am. Most of these students have told me that they have personally observed cheating during homeworks and exams. In addition, most of these students seem to rely on the belief that those students that cheat will fail when they enter the workforce. While I, in general, believe that cheaters will eventually fail; most won't fail the first time they apply for a job. Many will haunt you as co-workers. Many will become your supervisor, and will rise to the level of his/her incompetence, i.e., the "Peter Principle". Some will get through the "technical" door because of personal skills alone. They will most certainly be unfairly competing with you for the higher grades in your classes. This "do-nothing", "it is not my problem" attitude will cause you problems in the end. Therefore, I'd like to suggest that when you observe someone cheating, say something, embarrass them, treat them like social outcasts, treat them like the ...s that they are! There is NO excuse for cheating! NONE!

The words of Pat Murphy.... I took his 141 class spring quarter, and it was a lot easier than I expected. Simple solution with cheating is to have multiple versions of a test.. It might be a little more work for the professor, but it'll stop cheating for sure. Or just have the 3-4 TA's monitoring a group of students unless the class is 300+ or so..

Cheating is... passing your finished program around. But you'll get jacked in the end since everyone will have the same algorithm as you. I don't think it's cheating asking another person to help you troubleshoot your errors. It's hard to cheat in ICS and get away with it unless you have those ignorant professors/TA's.

I know it sucks, but if a professor makes a test easy enough to cheat on, people will be tempted to cheat. They might have studied 24/7 the whole week and then come up to a multiple choice question where they can rule out 3/5 choices.. which to pick? Ask your close friend sitting next to you? Or go for the 50/50? Lots of people grow up thinking a little cheating doesn't hurt when the results could determine whether you get into a certain major.. or even graduate.

 

[0ops]

Originally posted by: SpongeBob
I think everyone's definition of cheating is a little different. For example, I like to study for tests by studying old tests by the same professor. I have several classmates that have dubbed this "cheating," whereas i consider it using all available materials to your advantage.

if the previous tests are freely available then its not cheating but if not and questions are recycled then
it is.

 

[diskop]

Originally posted by: z0mb13
I'm a 4th year CS major at UCB

yes I have cheated in the past, and I know regret it...

the problem is other people cheating off me..... especially my friends and relative, they expect me to give them the answers because I used to also cheat in the past......
I'm not quite sure about this, but asians usually feel that cheating is OK, and they expect other asians to cheat also, when a guy doesn't want to cheat (ie give answers) they brand him "uncool"
(btw I'm not talking about whole asians, usually those who are international students, ie FOB)



hell I almost got into big trouble when someone copied my program....

Haha yeah fobs cheat so much in my cs courses. (I am EECS btw). I've seen them do the stupidest things to cheat.

 

[rufruf44]

If the prof is one of those that already determined 1/4 of the class got D, 1/4 got C, etc, then I avoid cheaters like a plague. Otherwise, I don't really care what they do.
As for what Cattlegod said, it might be true in some instance, but my experience has been the reverse. Gotta admit it feels good seeing those cheaters got fired, even though it took over a year for the company to do so.

 

[CrazyDe1]

No...eventually it comes back to bite you in the ass. But never in the job place Jobs rule...I've cheated in classes all my life...enver on exams, but I've almost never done an assignment by myself. Freshman year in diffeq and calc3 one kid did hte hw and everyone else copied it...it does, on occassion effect your grades though...
I almost got busted in a cs class for copyin programs...we had to do 9 projects, 9 kids each did one and exchanged...
in high school I once photocopied the answers out of the back of the book and turned them in...got a 100 cuase I knew the student assistant and took her out to lunch...
One time for a philosophy assignment we could pick a group to work in...I worked in a group w/ one other kid and there were 2 parts to the assignment, I was like you od part 1, I'll do part 2...I went to another kid and was like I'm already in a group, but if u do part 2 I'll do part 1 and exchange w/ you...I ended up havin to do nothing...
I once didn't go to class for most of the semester, found out there was an essay due, found my maxtor HD replacement documents, photoshopped the date, said my HD crashed, showed her the replacement documents, and told her I'd have it to her in a couple days, wrote my essay completely off someone else's essay and got a higher grade than them(they got a C, I got an A). That dude still won't stop talkin about that to this day...
In AP English in high school we'd have in class essays and Id never read any of the books and I'd always ask one girl what the reading was about, she'd tell me and I'd do better on teh in class essay than seh would....
One time we had to write a rough draft for an essay and I wrote the first page and stapled my other essay onto the back to make it look like I wrote it...well some girl kenw I did this so she told the teacher to check the essays...I brought mine up, she looked at the first page, when she was about to turn the page I asked what my grade was, she said, oh, you have an A, I said thanks, took the paper, and walked away...
oh yeah, I did cheat on tests in high school...I'd always go to the clinic for a few minutes so that it'd be excused, walk out, go hangout, take the test the next day after everyone told me what was on it...
In high school in AP calc I didn't do jack...we played senior picture war(card game war w/ people's senior pictures hottest girl wins)...and calculator games...penguins and pimp and druglord ruled...ended up w/ a D in that class..got a 5 on the AP test...
Now, the problem is when u have to use it...and u figured it out for the tests and u never had any practice with it...you go to college and realize u can't do anything beyond basic integrations, or u don't know the integral of lnx..so then everyone has an advantage on you cause you never learned to simplify equations in algebra or u never learned to integrate...or u never learned la hospitals rule..I mean l'hopital's
I don't really care what happens as long as I learn the basic material, most of what u learn in school u don't use in teh workplace anyways. My goal in each class was to learn the basics and screw the details...and I can say I can design circuits, write code, and do basic integrals and derivatives. Most of all, I can problem solve, I know where to look for answers to questions, and I can figure out how to accomplish things I'm given. Thats all you learn in college. If I have to integrate by parts I can't, but thats what a table or a calculator is for. My grades probably all suffered half a letter grade in college cuase I couldn't integrate by parts w/o a table, and I couldn't simplify algebraic equations. When I wrote code for my job, I know its all already been written, I just gotta know how to use it and where to find it...I'm basically copying other people's code and modifying as necessary anyways...