Are you an "Engineer"?

[flot]

Originally posted by: Element
Only on Banandtech could it possibly take this long to resolve such a simple issue.

If you have a P.E. license in your state you are a Professional Engineer.
If you have a Bachelor of Science degree from an accredited instituition (just kiddin there) institution, you are an engineer.
If you graduated from Devry, you are a Nefingeer. j/k again, you're a technician.
If you write code for a living, you are a code monkey....j/k but you're not an engineer no matter what your ego stroking boss calls you.
If you have an MSCE you hold a valid license to tell everyone that only you know what they are doing and everyone else is clueless, no matter how wrong you are on the matter. For example, you can tell people you have 80 gigahertz of RAM space and you may legally argue with them no matter what they say.

At last a post I agree with.

 

[edro]

Lemme get this right...

A 2 year associate's degree from ITT tech or DeVry's ET degree = technician?
A 3 year (year round!) bachelor's degree from DeVry = technician?

Wrong.

There is definately a difference between "technicians"... Yeah, a person with a EET degree may be a "technician", but there is definately a difference.

Oh, and I compared the DeVry EET curriculum to Ohio State University's EE degree curriculum, and there are more credit hours in the DeVry one... sooo... don't say that the DeVry one is shorter. (although it may to easier)

 

[CanOWorms]

It's funny that the civil engineers are calling themselves the real engineers when they're the easiest form of engineering... civil engineering has to have these PE, etc. to separate their usual subpar engineers from the good ones... engineering civil war has begun!

 

[Dedpuhl]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
It's funny that the civil engineers are calling themselves the real engineers when they're the easiest form of engineering... civil engineering has to have these PE, etc. to separate their usual subpar engineers from the good ones... engineering civil war has begun!

HA.

I love this stereotype. I know 1 person that has a BS in Mechanical and 1 that has a BS in Chemical. They both went back to get a BS in Civil (don't ask me why...it had something to do with the job). They both claimed to have a harder time with the work in Civil.


Also, If I wanted to go the rest of my life without a license, then I could still have a nice career. It is NOT necessary for any branch. If I ever want to take full credit for my work, testify in court as an expert witness, or open my own firm, then I must have passed the PE.



btw, edro. I got the jist of your post....the thread just went off on a tangent....

 

[tigerbait]

I'm also an Engineer Intern in Louisiana, but my discipline is Electrical. At the consulting firm I work at, it's pretty much a requirement that you have a PE if you ever want to advance, civil, mechanical, electrical included.

Do I call myself an engineer? Sure. But legally speaking I am an EI, and it says so on my business card. Hopefully in 3 more years, that 8 hour test will treat me right.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: edro13
Lemme get this right...

A 2 year associate's degree from ITT tech or DeVry's ET degree = technician?
A 3 year (year round!) bachelor's degree from DeVry = technician?

Wrong.

There is definately a difference between "technicians"... Yeah, a person with a EET degree may be a "technician", but there is definately a difference.

Oh, and I compared the DeVry EET curriculum to Ohio State University's EE degree curriculum, and there are more credit hours in the DeVry one... sooo... don't say that the DeVry one is shorter. (although it may to easier)

You will be a technition and nothing more. The people at your school have undoubtably convinced you that you are everything a real engineer is and that you will make a comparable salary. They are lieing to you and you won't realize that until you get out of a school and have worked 10 years and an entry level engineer has a higher salary than you do.

 

[edro]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: edro13
Lemme get this right...
A 2 year associate's degree from ITT tech or DeVry's ET degree = technician?
A 3 year (year round!) bachelor's degree from DeVry = technician?
Wrong.
There is definately a difference between "technicians"... Yeah, a person with a EET degree may be a "technician", but there is definately a difference.
Oh, and I compared the DeVry EET curriculum to Ohio State University's EE degree curriculum, and there are more credit hours in the DeVry one... sooo... don't say that the DeVry one is shorter. (although it may to easier)

You will be a technition and nothing more. The people at your school have undoubtably convinced you that you are everything a real engineer is and that you will make a comparable salary. They are lieing to you and you won't realize that until you get out of a school and have worked 10 years and an entry level engineer has a higher salary than you do.

I am in the IT department (Network Services), so I could give a sh|t less what the engineering department does. IT doesn't hire "engineers".

 

[BoberFett]

You can call yourself a lawyer or a doctor, it doesn't matter. Nobody is going to throw you in the slammer. It's when you actually practice law or medicine without a license that you get into trouble. Some of you act like the guy that goes to the bar and tells women he's a doctor or lawyer so he can hook up is going to get cuffs slapped on him. Engineers don't have to worry about their title being diluted that way because nobody in their right mind would try to impress women by saying they're an engineer. They'd just get laughed at.

Anybody can call themselves an engineer, but if they do anything which the law prohibits them from doing that's when the trouble starts. If you design and build bridge without being licensed, that's like doing open heart surgery or taking a murder defense case without a license and opens you up to civil and criminal punishment.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: edro13
Lemme get this right...

A 2 year associate's degree from ITT tech or DeVry's ET degree = technician?
A 3 year (year round!) bachelor's degree from DeVry = technician?

Wrong.

There is definately a difference between "technicians"... Yeah, a person with a EET degree may be a "technician", but there is definately a difference.

Oh, and I compared the DeVry EET curriculum to Ohio State University's EE degree curriculum, and there are more credit hours in the DeVry one... sooo... don't say that the DeVry one is shorter. (although it may to easier)

You will be a technition and nothing more. The people at your school have undoubtably convinced you that you are everything a real engineer is and that you will make a comparable salary. They are lieing to you and you won't realize that until you get out of a school and have worked 10 years and an entry level engineer has a higher salary than you do.

This is true where I work. It is nearly impossible to advance beyond a technician position without an engineering degree. There are people here who have been working for 10 years as a technician and freshout college grad engineers come in making more than they do.

 

[LotharJade]

Originally posted by: Sealy
I'm a domestic engineer!

Translation: You are too chicken and too PC correct to call yourself a homemaker or whatever the non-PC name is. Its funny that people who stay home and raise a family think that they need to try to dress up or otherwise give themselves more esteem to what they do by calling themselves and "ENGINEER".
I am a Mechanical Engineer and have great respect for what home makers do. Running a house and kids is a very difficult job indeed. Don't sell yourselves short, and don't be afraid to call yourselves by the proper name. Anyone who doesn't have respect for the position of a homemaker is a absolute moron.
:clock: RANT RANT :clock:
Engineering is just a highly paid job, where a mastery of gizmos, boedom, and paper pushing are required.

 

[SaigonK]

gee...i think my business cards say "Network Engineer" now i feel like a jerk!

 

[bigpow]

Originally posted by: edro13
I was talking to an egotistical guy today that works in the "Engineering" department. He was acting acting like those "engineers" typically do, acting like they know everything... Well, I fixed his problem (re-installed his Novell Client).

He said, "Well that shouldn't have taken an engineer to fix that."
I really had no idea what he meant by that, so
I said, "Umm... aren't you guys engineers up here?"
He said, "Yeah, I am an Engineer."
I said, "You mean you are one of those guys with funny hats, that drive trains?"
He said, "Well aren't you done? You can get the hell out of here now!"
HAHAHAHAHA!

I work on computers, and am graduating in a month with a Computer Engineering Technology from DeVry in Columbus..... and there is NO WAY IN HELL that I will ever call myself an engineer! (I'm not)

THIS IS AN ENGINEER! Not a freakin' CAD drawer with an ego!

You can't be more right than what you said earlier.
You're NOT an engineer if you graduate from DeVry anywhere.
Sorry.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

In Canada it's really easy to tell the engineers/engineering interns from the technician: if you've got an iron ring on your pinky you're an engineer/engineering intern otherwise you're a technician. Period.

 

[edro]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
In Canada it's really easy to tell the engineers/engineering interns from the technician: if you've got an iron ring on your pinky you're an engineer/engineering intern otherwise you're a technician. Period.

Iron ring?

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Originally posted by: edro13

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
In Canada it's really easy to tell the engineers/engineering interns from the technician: if you've got an iron ring on your pinky you're an engineer/engineering intern otherwise you're a technician. Period.

Iron ring?

It's like how they put the yellow stars on Jews up there.

 

[QueHuong]

Originally posted by: WinkOsmosis

Originally posted by: edro13

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
In Canada it's really easy to tell the engineers/engineering interns from the technician: if you've got an iron ring on your pinky you're an engineer/engineering intern otherwise you're a technician. Period.

Iron ring?

It's like how they put the yellow stars on Jews up there.

That was a stupid remark...and I'm not even Canadian.

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: edro13

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
In Canada it's really easy to tell the engineers/engineering interns from the technician: if you've got an iron ring on your pinky you're an engineer/engineering intern otherwise you're a technician. Period.

Iron ring?

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[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: edro13

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
In Canada it's really easy to tell the engineers/engineering interns from the technician: if you've got an iron ring on your pinky you're an engineer/engineering intern otherwise you're a technician. Period.

Iron ring?

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Do they actually wear the ring?

It kind of sounds like The Order of the Engineer...

 

[RaynorWolfcastle]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Do they actually wear the ring?

It kind of sounds like The Order of the Engineer...

Yes, they wear the ring and you can't buy it (although it'd pretty easy to forge). You also have to be a member of the engineering professional body for if you want to do anything as an engineer.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Do they actually wear the ring?

It kind of sounds like The Order of the Engineer...

Yes, they wear the ring and you can't buy it (although it'd pretty easy to forge). You also have to be a member of the engineering professional body for if you want to do anything as an engineer.

Hmm.. personally I wouldn't want to wear a little ring on my pinky

 

[aircooled]

What!?!?! I'm an MCSE but not a real Engineer???!!!!???

 

[BoberFett]

So engineers in Canada have to be gay?

 

[pnho]

this thread cracks me up, great for a late night laugh. I worked as a "Process Engineer" for a few years, but I never got my degree in engineering....just chemistry and business. I did a lot of validation work, formulation work and etc. I can hang wid all those "engineers." I don't care much for titles, but I did have one P.E. ask me to change my title from Process Engineer to Process Scientist hahaa.... But I do find that some engineers do get cocky and conceited due to their degrees. I guess ppl can be shallow that way. No matter what degree you have or how rich you are, a bullet to the a$$ will still hurt. You are still human anyways.

On a side note, the good engineers I know learn more from the technicians then the technicians learn from them. Guys with 15-30 yrs experience as a tech will have so much more knowledge then an engineer anyways...just not the theory.

thanks for the laugh though edro13.

 

[edro]

^ Smart guy.

 

[bernse]

Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
In Canada it's really easy to tell the engineers/engineering interns from the technician: if you've got an iron ring on your pinky you're an engineer/engineering intern otherwise you're a technician. Period.

No. Techies have their own "version" of an Iron Ring so they don't feel left out. However, the Engineering Iron ring is quite different from the Techie one.