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Craig234

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I am a big believer in people organizing in groups politically. It was essential for our founding fathers, it's why they made it a core constitutional right of freedom of assembly, and it's essential for citizens to be politically effective against the people who do organize in groups (hint: the lobbyists who have your Congressman's attention aren't working for the general public interest).

In short, I think without such groups, the public is inevitably going to be quite screwed over and corruption will run rampant. We've seen it in the past, but the mobs rebelling against corruption in the past are a less practical solution than ever. When I see these comments I view as paranoid where people seem embarrassed to join a group, I feel bad for the misjugement hurting their political representation.

Getting people to feel embarrassed or ashamed to join a group they agree with is great for people in the opposing groups.

I'm a member of a number of organizations, generally representing 'good government' interests, human rights groups, anti-poverty groups, and some liberal groups. For example, I like the groups who publish the truth on things that normally get swept under the rug otherwise, like Media Matters for American and the 'Censored' annual book, as well as 'good' media like salon.com or commondreams.org.

The simple mechanism of people uniting for a cause is as old as mankind, and the people who do tend to get their way more than those who don't.
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: Craig234
For example, I like the groups who publish the truth on things that normally get swept under the rug otherwise, like Media Matters for American and the 'Censored' annual book, as well as 'good' media like salon.com or commondreams.org.

I loled
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: loki8481
I thought about hooking up with the US commies, but I hate how they're just all about "omg yay unions."

unions are like an opiate.

The commie thing was some FIFTY year ago. The ACLU is much different now.

I used to see unions more as a sort of corrupt group who has a very narrow agenda that could often be bad for the nation - 'gimme gimme who cares if it hurts society'.

Indeed, I've never been in a union, but the second-hand experience I've heard of contains some pretty nastily corrupt things; the history of mob connections is pretty ugly as well.

But if you will read up on the history of labor and how collective labor is essential to most Americans (who benefit directly or indirectly) countering the inherent power of wealth, how the middle class rests on that right so much, I think you will come to far more appreciate and support unions. I'm a big labor supporter now. I see them advocating a lot of good things.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Craig234
For example, I like the groups who publish the truth on things that normally get swept under the rug otherwise, like Media Matters for American and the 'Censored' annual book, as well as 'good' media like salon.com or commondreams.org.

I loled

I could hardly care less, Corbett. You're a poster child for the ignorant, and offer nothing to the discussion. I was writing to the adults (politically speaking). Go back to defending gay bigotry.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Representing NAMBLA sapped any respect I might have had for the ACLU.

What problem could you possibly have with the National Association of Marlon Brando Look Alikes??
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: loki8481
I thought about hooking up with the US commies, but I hate how they're just all about "omg yay unions."

unions are like an opiate.

The commie thing was some FIFTY year ago. The ACLU is much different now.

I meant the actual US communist party, not the aclu ;)
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Craig234
For example, I like the groups who publish the truth on things that normally get swept under the rug otherwise, like Media Matters for American and the 'Censored' annual book, as well as 'good' media like salon.com or commondreams.org.

I loled

I could hardly care less, Corbett. You're a poster child for the ignorant, and offer nothing to the discussion. I was writing to the adults (politically speaking). Go back to defending gay bigotry.

As soon as you go back to defending pedophile child porn distributors...
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Corbett
Originally posted by: Craig234
For example, I like the groups who publish the truth on things that normally get swept under the rug otherwise, like Media Matters for American and the 'Censored' annual book, as well as 'good' media like salon.com or commondreams.org.

I loled

I could hardly care less, Corbett. You're a poster child for the ignorant, and offer nothing to the discussion. I was writing to the adults (politically speaking). Go back to defending gay bigotry.

As soon as you go back to defending pedophile child porn distributors...

They're defending free speech not pedophiles.
 

Butterbean

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Last year the ACLU director for Virginia was busted for child porn "showing, among other things, the sexual torture of infants and toddlers. The judge said she'd never heard of child pornography that vile"

http://www.wusa9.com/news/news...cle.aspx?storyid=56324

A U.S. magistrate described material as "the most perverted and nauseating and sickening type of child pornography" she ever had seen.

Of course it would be no surprise the same ACLU director was fighting against filters in schools when he "urged the Loudoun County Library Board not to put any filters on the library?s internet portals. He said, ?Recognizing that individuals will continue to behave responsibly and appropriately while in the library, the default should be maximum, unrestricted access to the valuable resources of the Internet.?

http://www.passionateamerica.c...sing-harm-in-virginia/


Also no surprise the ACLU tried to get child porn to be legal. They won an appeal in NY in a porn case arguing that while making the porn should be illegal owning it should be ok. The Supreme Court overturned the decision in New York v. Ferber. Imagine fighting to keep child porn ownership legal? No wonder they help NAMBLA ( who was also publishing material on how to lure kids and how to escape if caught) and urge people on their site to use social networking sites to make homosexual groups in schools. These are the same losers who attack the Boy Scouts while defending NAMBLA .

http://www.nationalreview.com/...urdock200402270920.asp

The ACLU is a run by weirdos







 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Butterbean


Also no surprise the ACLU tried to get child porn to be legal. They won an appeal in NY in a porn case arguing that while making the porn should be illegal owning it should be ok. The Supreme Court overturned the decision in New York v. Ferber. Imagine fighting to keep child porn ownership legal? No wonder they help NAMBLA ( who was also publishing material on how to lure kids and how to escape if caught) and urge people on their site to use social networking sites to make homosexual groups in schools. These are the same losers who attack the Boy Scouts while defending NAMBLA .

The day the Boy Scouts are prevented from having free speech rights, the ACLU will defend them, and the day NAMBLA starts discriminating illegally in membership, the ACLU will sue.

It's so typical of the utterly irrational spewing of the people in your political group to simply compare how you like the two groups and not look at the specific issues involved.

Your logic would suggest that prosecuting a boy scout for murdering a NAMBLA member in a robbery would be wrong because you like the Boy Scouts and not NAMBLA. It's idiotic.
 

Butterbean

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Butterbean


Also no surprise the ACLU tried to get child porn to be legal. They won an appeal in NY in a porn case arguing that while making the porn should be illegal owning it should be ok. The Supreme Court overturned the decision in New York v. Ferber. Imagine fighting to keep child porn ownership legal? No wonder they help NAMBLA ( who was also publishing material on how to lure kids and how to escape if caught) and urge people on their site to use social networking sites to make homosexual groups in schools. These are the same losers who attack the Boy Scouts while defending NAMBLA .

The day the Boy Scouts are prevented from having free speech rights, the ACLU will defend them, and the day NAMBLA starts discriminating illegally in membership, the ACLU will sue.

It's so typical of the utterly irrational spewing of the people in your political group to simply compare how you like the two groups and not look at the specific issues involved.

Your logic would suggest that prosecuting a boy scout for murdering a NAMBLA member in a robbery would be wrong because you like the Boy Scouts and not NAMBLA. It's idiotic.

Nah - you just contrived something weird up because you like NAMBLA more than the Boy Scouts period. Work with the medication.
 

Craig234

Lifer
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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Butterbean


Also no surprise the ACLU tried to get child porn to be legal. They won an appeal in NY in a porn case arguing that while making the porn should be illegal owning it should be ok. The Supreme Court overturned the decision in New York v. Ferber. Imagine fighting to keep child porn ownership legal? No wonder they help NAMBLA ( who was also publishing material on how to lure kids and how to escape if caught) and urge people on their site to use social networking sites to make homosexual groups in schools. These are the same losers who attack the Boy Scouts while defending NAMBLA .

The day the Boy Scouts are prevented from having free speech rights, the ACLU will defend them, and the day NAMBLA starts discriminating illegally in membership, the ACLU will sue.

It's so typical of the utterly irrational spewing of the people in your political group to simply compare how you like the two groups and not look at the specific issues involved.

Your logic would suggest that prosecuting a boy scout for murdering a NAMBLA member in a robbery would be wrong because you like the Boy Scouts and not NAMBLA. It's idiotic.

Nah - you just contrived something weird up because you like NAMBLA more than the Boy Scouts period. Work with the medication.

Well, liar: I like the boy scouts, which do all kinds of good for boys, a lot more than I like NABLA, which lobbies to allow pedophiles to harm children more.

However, I don't like the actions of the Boy Scouts in the area of how they treat gay boys, and I agree with the ACLU on that, and I would probably agree on the ACLU as well on the protection of the freedoms under the constitution for NAMBLA, because I don't have to agree with the people to defend their right to free speech.

In the meantime, I think you are a despicable slanderer, and that you are unable to argue pretty much beyond the 6th grade level, and show terrible character.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
Last year the ACLU director for Virginia was busted for child porn "showing, among other things, the sexual torture of infants and toddlers. The judge said she'd never heard of child pornography that vile"

http://www.wusa9.com/news/news...cle.aspx?storyid=56324

A U.S. magistrate described material as "the most perverted and nauseating and sickening type of child pornography" she ever had seen.

Of course it would be no surprise the same ACLU director was fighting against filters in schools when he "urged the Loudoun County Library Board not to put any filters on the library?s internet portals. He said, ?Recognizing that individuals will continue to behave responsibly and appropriately while in the library, the default should be maximum, unrestricted access to the valuable resources of the Internet.?

http://www.passionateamerica.c...sing-harm-in-virginia/


Also no surprise the ACLU tried to get child porn to be legal. They won an appeal in NY in a porn case arguing that while making the porn should be illegal owning it should be ok. The Supreme Court overturned the decision in New York v. Ferber. Imagine fighting to keep child porn ownership legal? No wonder they help NAMBLA ( who was also publishing material on how to lure kids and how to escape if caught) and urge people on their site to use social networking sites to make homosexual groups in schools. These are the same losers who attack the Boy Scouts while defending NAMBLA .

http://www.nationalreview.com/...urdock200402270920.asp

The ACLU is a run by weirdos

I don't agree with everything the ACLU does (and I certainly don't like every single person who is involved with the organization), but the fact that they so consistently piss off people like you is a pretty sure sign that they are doing SOMETHING right. The absolute hatred people of a certain political persuasion have for the ACLU is one of the better recommendations I can think of.

Of course this isn't always a good barometer taken by itself, but in the case of the ACLU, it's pretty compelling. I might think twice about the organization if its opponents were pro-civil rights folks who just disagreed with the ACLU's methods, but it's always the most Bill of Rights shredding folks who just happen to dislike the ACLU for what they assure us are reasons completely unrelated to the ACLU's core mission.
 

Specop 007

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NRA is about it, although they told to roll over a bit more then I like but its about all we got so.....
 

lupi

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Why don't you just go shoot someone, it would be less damaging to humanity.
 

blackangst1

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Im thinking about maybe the Congressional Black Caucus. Oh wait...or maybe AME (African Methodist Episcopal) church. Oh wait....maybe Ethnic media Group. Oh wait...maybe Link Net Mentoring. Oh wait...

Fuck. I cant. Im white. Im sure they are open to fair race relations though ;) Oh I know...Aryan Nation will take me!
 

BoomerD

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Feb 26, 2006
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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Im thinking about maybe the Congressional Black Caucus. Oh wait...or maybe AME (African Methodist Episcopal) church. Oh wait....maybe Ethnic media Group. Oh wait...maybe Link Net Mentoring. Oh wait...

Fuck. I cant. Im white. Im sure they are open to fair race relations though ;) Oh I know...Aryan Nation will take me!

Not with THAT user name they won't. :D