Are you a legal immigrant who used or may use any social service, including CHIP? GTFO.

[MomentsofSanity]

My god tell me this is fake. Tell me they aren’t actually considering this. What in the actual fuck is wrong with these people?!?!

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/20...efits-public-charge?__twitter_impression=true

The Trump administration is working on new rules that would allow the government to keep immigrants from settling in the US, or even force them to leave, if their families had used a broad swath of local, state, or federal social services to which they’re legally entitled — even enrolling their US-born children in Head Start or the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP).

A draft of the new regulation, posted first by Vox, can be found at the bottom of this article or on DocumentCloud. (If the DocumentCloud link does not work for you, here is a direct link to the PDF.) Reuters originally reported on the existence of the draft regulation Thursday.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Can't have brown people using government services. It might lead them to becoming citizens. And that might lead them to voting.

 

[Jhhnn]

My god tell me this is fake. Tell me they aren’t actually considering this. What in the actual fuck is wrong with these people?!?!

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/20...efits-public-charge?__twitter_impression=true

Immigration dickishness is virtue in Trumplandia. They're sportin' wood for all of 'em. Well, except for Norwegians.

 

[brycejones]

My god tell me this is fake. Tell me they aren’t actually considering this. What in the actual fuck is wrong with these people?!?!

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/20...efits-public-charge?__twitter_impression=true

Q. What would a dick do?
A. Basis for forming policy in the Trump administration.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Is there anyone here who is actually surprised by any of this? Trump doesn't actually care and can't make up his own mind on his positions anymore.

 

[Commodus]

It's almost as if their beef isn't actually with illegal immigration like they claimed, but rather that these people are foreign (read: non-white) in the first place. Imagine that.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's almost as if their beef isn't actually with illegal immigration like they claimed, but rather that these people are foreign (read: non-white) in the first place. Imagine that.

You're the real racist!

 

[glenn1]

It's almost as if their beef isn't actually with illegal immigration like they claimed, but rather that these people are foreign (read: non-white) in the first place. Imagine that.

Imagine you feel the non-white immigrants would use such services more than white immigrants. Of course we don’t need to imagine it because you almost certainly do and that’s at play in your feelings about this policy.

An actual unbiased reader would properly assume that white and non-white immigrants were just as likely to use the services and thus making it merely a stupid policy rather than a racist one, but that “unbiased” part would rule you out.

 

[mect]

Imagine you feel the non-white immigrants would use such services more than white immigrants. Of course we don’t need to imagine it because you almost certainly do and that’s at play in your feelings about this policy.

An actual unbiased reader would properly assume that white and non-white immigrants were just as likely to use the services and thus making it merely a stupid policy rather than a racist one, but that “unbiased” part would rule you out.

An actual unbiased reader would also recognize that the vast majority of immigrants to the US are non-white, so regardless of the relative percentages using them, the vast majority of those affected would be non-white, but that "unbiased" part would rule you out.

 

[highland145]

Just whore yourself out.

 

[glenn1]

An actual unbiased reader would also recognize that the vast majority of immigrants to the US are non-white, so regardless of the relative percentages using them, the vast majority of those affected would be non-white, but that "unbiased" part would rule you out.

The vast majority of the ex-U.S. world population isn’t white either so that would stand to reason that immigrants would mirror that which is why your assumption and resulting error is understandable. However in this case you’re wrong as the racial breakdown (2016 numbers) is 46% White, 27% Asian, 9% Black, and 15% some other race. Even if you go the ethnicity vs race path, Hispanics stil aren’t a majority as in 2016, almost 45 percent of immigrants (19.6 million people) reported having Hispanic or Latino origins.

 

[BoomerD]

Immigrants should not be allowed to use ANY social services.

Why should the host country be responsible for supporting non-citizens?

I'm not anti-immigration, but I AM anti-immigrants (of any color, race, religion, or national origin) coming to the US for any form of welfare.

 

[UNCjigga]

This has Stephen Miller's fingerprints all over it. My God, I hope it isn't true.

 

[Paladin3]

Immigrants should not be allowed to use ANY social services.

Why should the host country be responsible for supporting non-citizens?

I'm not anti-immigration, but I AM anti-immigrants (of any color, race, religion, or national origin) coming to the US for any form of welfare.

He's got a point. When did it become a right to immigrate here and then be supported once you get here? I'm sure there are many cases where it is in our interest to do just that, including for a variety of humanitarian reason. Still, legal immigration is not a right and Illegal immigration is crime, but I risk being called racist and other names for pointing it out.

 

[Jhhnn]

Immigrants should not be allowed to use ANY social services.

Why should the host country be responsible for supporting non-citizens?

I'm not anti-immigration, but I AM anti-immigrants (of any color, race, religion, or national origin) coming to the US for any form of welfare.

We don't suffer legal immigrants. We invite them to become part of this great country. Part of that is support for people who find themselves down & out. Remember 2009, when employment was in freefall? People at the bottom of the heap took the biggest hit. That category includes a lot of legal immigrants & their American citizen children.

They are us & we need to treat them as we do each other. To do otherwise dishonors our heritage.

 

[Commodus]

Immigrants should not be allowed to use ANY social services.

Why should the host country be responsible for supporting non-citizens?

I'm not anti-immigration, but I AM anti-immigrants (of any color, race, religion, or national origin) coming to the US for any form of welfare.

Because many of these people don't intend to be leeches, and may fall on hard times or need a helping hand as they settle in? The US has been described as the "land of opportunity" precisely because it welcomed less fortunate people hoping for a fresh start, not just college-educated middle class people with cushy jobs already lined up.

Besides, even if you're going to be strictly pragmatic about it, denying access to social services makes it less likely that people will want to emigrate to the US, no matter how well-educated they are or how strong their work ethic may be. It's a perpetual "we think less of you" signal.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

He's got a point. When did it become a right to immigrate here and then be supported once you get here? I'm sure there are many cases where it is in our interest to do just that, including for a variety of humanitarian reason. Still, legal immigration is not a right and Illegal immigration is crime, but I risk being called racist and other names for pointing it out.

Yeah fuck immigrants. If something happens and they find themselves out of a job they can leave. Why should they benefit from any safety net they should fall in to as no fault of their own.

 

[ivwshane]

Anyone see suburbicon? A lot of the posters remind of people in that town. Pathetic.

 

[Paladin3]

We don't suffer legal immigrants. We invite them to become part of this great country. Part of that is support for people who find themselves down & out. Remember 2009, when employment was in freefall? People at the bottom of the heap took the biggest hit. That category includes a lot of legal immigrants & their American citizen children.

They are us & we need to treat them as we do each other. To do otherwise dishonors our heritage.

True, once we allow someone to immigrate to our country and put them on a path to citizenship they should be eligible for basic services and support. This keeps them on the road to eventually becoming self-supporting citizens.

It is in our country's best interests to educate, support and provide for folks living here regardless of there immigration status to help them be law-abiding, self-supporting members of society. I don't know how to do that without rewarding the folks who broke the law to immigrate here illegally, and not encourage more to do so, at the same time.

 

[Jhhnn]

True, once we allow someone to immigrate to our country and put them on a path to citizenship they should be eligible for basic services and support. This keeps them on the road to eventually becoming self-supporting citizens.

It is in our country's best interests to educate, support and provide for folks living here regardless of there immigration status to help them be law-abiding, self-supporting members of society. I don't know how to do that without rewarding the folks who broke the law to immigrate here illegally, and not encourage more to do so, at the same time.

Legal iimmigrants have extensive paper trails that are easy to check, right down to their fingerprints.

 

[BoomerD]

Because many of these people don't intend to be leeches, and may fall on hard times or need a helping hand as they settle in? The US has been described as the "land of opportunity" precisely because it welcomed less fortunate people hoping for a fresh start, not just college-educated middle class people with cushy jobs already lined up.

Besides, even if you're going to be strictly pragmatic about it, denying access to social services makes it less likely that people will want to emigrate to the US, no matter how well-educated they are or how strong their work ethic may be. It's a perpetual "we think less of you" signal.

They should come here able to completely support themselves, financially and medically with no government aid...OR have a sponsor who is willing AND able to step up and take care of their needs.
This is NOT the responsibility of the American taxpayers.
Note...I don't include unemployment insurance or "Obamacare type health insurance" as long as they worked enough to meet the requirement of whatever state where they live.

I wonder...how many of the posters advocating "immigant welfare" are immigrants themselves...or children/grandchildren of immigrants?

 

[ivwshane]

They should come here able to completely support themselves, financially and medically with no government aid...OR have a sponsor who is willing AND able to step up and take care of their needs.
This is NOT the responsibility of the American taxpayers.
Note...I don't include unemployment insurance or "Obamacare type health insurance" as long as they worked enough to meet the requirement of whatever state where they live.

I wonder...how many of the posters advocating "immigant welfare" are immigrants themselves...or children/grandchildren of immigrants?

How many immigrants are on welfare? How many citizens are on welfare. I'm sure you base your support of policies on actual facts so this should be an easy one for you.

 

[trenchfoot]

Can't have brown people using government services. It might lead them to becoming citizens. And that might lead them to voting.

Nailed it. :thumbsup:

 

[Vic]

The vast majority of the ex-U.S. world population isn’t white either so that would stand to reason that immigrants would mirror that which is why your assumption and resulting error is understandable. However in this case you’re wrong as the racial breakdown (2016 numbers) is 46% White, 27% Asian, 9% Black, and 15% some other race. Even if you go the ethnicity vs race path, Hispanics stil aren’t a majority as in 2016, almost 45 percent of immigrants (19.6 million people) reported having Hispanic or Latino origins.

You're right to point out that bigotry isn't limited to skin color. Before the current anti-Hispanic xenophobia, it was bigotry against Italian immigrants, and the Irish, Germans, Poles, Catholics, Jews, etc. Bigotry never runs out of people to be bigoted against.
With regards to this issue, I don't want immigrants getting public assistance, beyond what might be minimally necessary to get them into the workforce as a productive member of society. But as we're talking about LEGAL immigrants here, I'm also very concerned that the government comply with its constitutional requirement to ensure equal protection of the laws. On the surface, this would appear to violate that.

 

[UNCjigga]

They should come here able to completely support themselves, financially and medically with no government aid...OR have a sponsor who is willing AND able to step up and take care of their needs.
This is NOT the responsibility of the American taxpayers.
Note...I don't include unemployment insurance or "Obamacare type health insurance" as long as they worked enough to meet the requirement of whatever state where they live.

I wonder...how many of the posters advocating "immigant welfare" are immigrants themselves...or children/grandchildren of immigrants?

I'm a child of immigrants and an immigrant myself. I'm fine with certain forms of immigrant welfare as long as they're here legally and at least one adult in the family is working and paying taxes.

I think it is cruel and unconstitutional to punish green card holders by essentially holding their citizen children hostage, should they rely on CHIP or Head Start etc.

Granted, we're talking about a leaked policy that hasn't been fleshed out so I'm hoping this is much ado about nothing.