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Are white Christian males discriminated against the most now?
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Did you actually read my post? Being a "minority" is not simply determined by sheer population statistics. If you want to use statistics you can see that minorities are disproportinately poor, they hold little no positions of power/influence, etc. So I'm not sure what you are getting at. You are saying that because there are lot of blacks in the country they aren't a minority anymore? Again, they were a lot of blacks back in the coloinial times but that still didn't make em NOT a minority. (edited) Your logic makes no sense.
imported_Papi
Platinum Member
My original post had no hard core logic, like I said it was just a story I was sharing.
Yes I read it. Don't get pissy with me, you replied to my response, remember? Did you read it and understand it was just a shared story?
There is a difference between the statistics of minority regarding race and the statistics of minority in regards to finance. Low/high incomes
In a place like Iraq there are the rich families, and then there is the poor ones. I understand the poor are a minority. I was talking in multi-cultural aspect. Had nothing to do with money. That's what I'm getting at.
I wasn't talking about the rich or the poor, I was strictly talking about statistics according to race. If my logic makes no sense then why did she the black lady in my class classify herself as a minority, because according to you "they were a lot of blacks back in the coloinial times but that still didn't make em a minority." At some point in time probably in the Black Panther days, when black sat at the back of the bus because of white ignorance, they were proclaimed a minority. Their race was a minority, not their financial status, however that did play a role in their reason for being a minority. But then we are getting into the history of it all and I don't care to do that. I've never studied black history.
I think that, what I'm getting at and what you are getting have very little to do with each other. You jumped on my reply with out realizing that. I'm talking race alone, you are talking rich Vs. Poor.
Yes I read it. Don't get pissy with me, you replied to my response, remember? Did you read it and understand it was just a shared story?
There is a difference between the statistics of minority regarding race and the statistics of minority in regards to finance. Low/high incomes
In a place like Iraq there are the rich families, and then there is the poor ones. I understand the poor are a minority. I was talking in multi-cultural aspect. Had nothing to do with money. That's what I'm getting at.
I wasn't talking about the rich or the poor, I was strictly talking about statistics according to race. If my logic makes no sense then why did she the black lady in my class classify herself as a minority, because according to you "they were a lot of blacks back in the coloinial times but that still didn't make em a minority." At some point in time probably in the Black Panther days, when black sat at the back of the bus because of white ignorance, they were proclaimed a minority. Their race was a minority, not their financial status, however that did play a role in their reason for being a minority. But then we are getting into the history of it all and I don't care to do that. I've never studied black history.
I think that, what I'm getting at and what you are getting have very little to do with each other. You jumped on my reply with out realizing that. I'm talking race alone, you are talking rich Vs. Poor.
😕That is the stupidest comment I have EVER read on ATOT. You will have to explain yourself...
Of course, no one in the projects want to come out. It is just a free, nice ride huh? I am not saying that everyone in the projects is hard working, but there are hard working people there who never got the oppourtunities.
It isn't that easy for them to walk into a fast food place and someone will hand them a job. They are homeless for a reason. Their live has ended up in a never ending spiral and they need help. I bet a lot of the people who live on the streets are a little weird in the head... no sane person would WANT to live on the streets.
What's the point of explaining it to these kids. As long as mommy and daddy pour money into their lives, they couldn't care less. And ironically, the kiddies complaining that the minorities always ask for hand-outs, are the ones whose societal productivity value is absolutely nill. They sit on their fat macdonald's asses with their Radeon8500-fueled fantasy games, and think that life is like that for everyone. And we American's then have the nerve to get annoyed when the rest of the world looks at us like spoiled fat pigs?
Jesus, people. Look inwards. Think. Realize that everything occurs for a reason. And then, instead of use quick-fidx labels like "crazy", "nuts", "jealous of our freedom", "its their nature", "they are lazy" or whatever the current means of dismissal may be, go and find out what that real reason is.
Jesus, people. Look inwards. Think. Realize that everything occurs for a reason. And then, instead of use quick-fidx labels like "crazy", "nuts", "jealous of our freedom", "its their nature", "they are lazy" or whatever the current means of dismissal may be, go and find out what that real reason is.
i would find it hard to believe that black males are not most discriminated against.
i used to be adamantly opposed to affirmative action (i used this as my excuse for not getting into my school of choice) but i sort of appreciate now that people from disadvantaged backgrounds deserve a chance. sure, when i was in college i could frequently tell who got "special admissions treatment" and some would argue that this is detrimental to the minority student. but in the end, i personally believe that they get more 'value' out of their education than some white (or asian) guy who had to go to a state school (especially in terms of securing a good job after college and furthering their race's status).
when it comes to college and "higher" jobs though, this dubious honor probably goes asian males.
as an asian male, i know that i will not get the CEO / upper managerial jobs unless i own my own business. i'm not asking for a handout, i'm not "giving up" but i know that this is a reality in today's business world. i will still work my butt off and try to do as best as i can though.
-young
i used to be adamantly opposed to affirmative action (i used this as my excuse for not getting into my school of choice) but i sort of appreciate now that people from disadvantaged backgrounds deserve a chance. sure, when i was in college i could frequently tell who got "special admissions treatment" and some would argue that this is detrimental to the minority student. but in the end, i personally believe that they get more 'value' out of their education than some white (or asian) guy who had to go to a state school (especially in terms of securing a good job after college and furthering their race's status).
when it comes to college and "higher" jobs though, this dubious honor probably goes asian males.
as an asian male, i know that i will not get the CEO / upper managerial jobs unless i own my own business. i'm not asking for a handout, i'm not "giving up" but i know that this is a reality in today's business world. i will still work my butt off and try to do as best as i can though.
-young
mugs
Lifer
Equal opportunity does not exist. Take African-Americans for example - as a result of years of past discrimination, they are generally far less well-off than whites, and have far lower economic mobility than whites. Add to that the racism, conscious or subconscious, that exists in the minds of many white Americans, and there no way they can get a fair deal.
Case in point: obviously whites tend to be more wealthy than minorities (other than Asians). That means whites tend to know more wealthy people. Those wealthy people can be very helpful in finding jobs, etc. Poor black people just have other poor black people to network with.
All affirmative action does is take away a PORTION of the inherent advantage white males ALREADY have. Even with affirmative action, I'd say we have it better off than any minority group. IF I as a white male have ever experienced racism, it is because I have a Spanish last name. A lot of people see a Spanish name on a resume and ignore it. Maybe I should put a picture of my white self on my resume? The fact that I would even suggest such a thing is an indication of how good we have it as white males. I don't piss and moan about how I'm being systematically discriminated against, I just network with my wealthy white friends to try to find a job. It's a good thing I'm white!
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As a white Christian male, I could care less about who is discriminating against me. I have too many other people that need my help, to even think about it!
I find this intense drive to cater to</FONT> Blacks and their apparent need to be validated on a continuous basis, both amusing and destructive.
In fact, one word can bring the entire Black community to their knees in a fit of blubbering idiocy and offense. While in that state, the industrious among us will eat their lunch in the marketplace.
Regardless of the volume of Affirmative Action Law and other preferential legal devices, there are always created 10 ways to defeat it, my friends.
Yes little ones, while you have forced upon me, by law, certain requirements, you have done it against my will and I assure you that you will not receive the real plumb position in my group, unless you earn it.
How do you earn it?
You have to serve our customers with a world class performance that bring them streaming through our front door.
Anything other that that will get you nothing from me but the crumbs required by the law that your representatives have forced upon me.
Any questions?
As a white Christian male, I could care less about who is discriminating against me. I have too many other people that need my help, to even think about it!
I find this intense drive to cater to</FONT> Blacks and their apparent need to be validated on a continuous basis, both amusing and destructive.
In fact, one word can bring the entire Black community to their knees in a fit of blubbering idiocy and offense. While in that state, the industrious among us will eat their lunch in the marketplace.
Regardless of the volume of Affirmative Action Law and other preferential legal devices, there are always created 10 ways to defeat it, my friends.
Yes little ones, while you have forced upon me, by law, certain requirements, you have done it against my will and I assure you that you will not receive the real plumb position in my group, unless you earn it.
How do you earn it?
You have to serve our customers with a world class performance that bring them streaming through our front door.
Anything other that that will get you nothing from me but the crumbs required by the law that your representatives have forced upon me.
Any questions?
Cuda1447
Lifer
Originally posted by: y2kc
sure do... i feel sorry for you people...
your entire post is stupid.. since when did it become illegal for "white christian males" to "sue for anything they want", I would bet that most lawsuits in this country are initiated by "them" (white males).
"get into college easier" last time I looked colleges were full of "them" (white males).
"do anything they want"? such as? (date white women, does that bother you too?).
"and then scream about discrimination"? anyone that is discriminated against should scream about it, white black, brown, yellow and green.
I discriminate against flame baiting hypocrites (like you). dope.
With all your statements you are failing to take into account the % of whites compared to others. Yes there are more lawsuits by whites then blacks because blacks only make up 13% of the lawsuits. Which means that if black people make up more then 13% of the lawsuits then they are suing more then white people. Also if blacks make up more then 13% of a college then they are getting admitted easier or more so then white people. And I believe this to be teh case.
A point someone else made earlier is how would the public take it if white America created a United Caucasion College Fund? They wouldn't go for it, I gurantee it. It'd be shot down like mad. Its a double standard that were dealing with her.
Im a white Christian male, and I may not be discriminated against to my face as much as a black person. But I can gurantee you that behind the scenes, were the double standards are taking place, I am being discriminated against quite a bit. The most? I don't know, but it seems like its legal discrimination to me, which I think is a bunch of crap. This country is about equal rights, equal everything, yet we are unbalancing it more and more everyday.
FatJackSprat
Senior member
That's exactly why whites are discriminated against more than others. Regardless of which race is actually discriminated against more frequently, whites suffer the most because as soon as we try to point out someone treating us unfairly we are suddenly racist bigots intent on ruling the world. Minorities are only briefly discriminated against because it is taken care of later. No one offers whites any relief so the discrimination is real.
Minority to White: "I've been discriminated against by a white person!"
White: "Oh sorry it must be my fault somehow because I am also white. Here you go take this job/scholarship/blah, blah, blah."
White to Minority: "I've been discriminated against by a minority."
Minority: "What are you, racist?! Suck it up!"
White: "Oh sorry it must be my fault somehow. Here you go take this job/scholarship/blah, blah, blah."
Disclaimer:
I have never owned another person, fired anyone due to race, hired someone at a less than fair salary, made a law intending to suppress anyone, denied someone admission for race, refused to sell my house to someone based on race, pulled someone over because of skin color, etc. etc.
BladeWalker
Senior member
I'm sorry that you feel this way. AA is truly not the best solution, but that's the only thing we have that is backed by our government. Whites may be discriminated more often because whites do make up the majority of the population (so mathematically speaking..yes). If you look at each individual cases, you're bound to find reverse discrimination. That's inevitable. AA doesn't look at the individual scenario but is meant to change the results in the "big picture". It is meant to push diversity in a traditionally white dominated society. Look at the general make-up of government and corporate America. Everyone knows they are predominately white. Without AA, do you honestly think that will change. Even with AA, change has been slow (if at all). There has to be some kind of effort for equal representation and AA is what we have right now. Is it fair? Don't know.
For anyone who has to deal with reverse discrimination (sounds like you do), it truly does suck. It is unfair for that individual. As hard as this might sound, you gotta consider that you are providing someone else of less privilege to have an opportunity he/she might not have otherwise. I for one do not believe that anyone who scream "reverse discrimination" is racist by any means. As I certainly don't like when minorities scream racism for every slight incident.
Agreed. It's not your fault. But can you say the same thing for some of the other whites? Besides, racial bias is not always the culprit. Pretend you're a hirer. Trie to answer the following questions honestly (to yourself).
Given two applicants: 1) Very qualified applicant 2) A slightly less qaulfied applicant but is one of your best friend. Who would you hire?
Given two applicants for bartender/waitress: 1) Very qualified female with good memory skills, average looking 2) Slightly qualified female with poor memory skills, very attractive with great set of knockers. Assuming most patrons are male, who would you hire?
Given two applicants with equal qualifications: 1) Has a very liberal political view which you perceive to conflict with the majority of the office workers who mainly consist of hardcore conservatives. 2) Has a conservative political view and you perceive to get along with the current office workers. Who would you hire?
Now, let's make the first applicant African American and the second one Anglo. Does that change your decisions at all?
Aside: I don't think it has anything to do with religion except for the case of politics.
I wasn't going to respond to this but it seems shocking that so few people have mentioned specific areas. Are white males discriminated against the most in general? Probably not, but that is a such a huge question that I don't think anybody can credibly answer it with any semblance of meaningful support. Why not instead ask the question: Are caucasians discriminated against the most in specific areas? Definitely... i'd use the college admissions process for a start.
I was rejected from Stanford with a 3.92 high school GPA, a 1510 SAT I / 790 SAT II english and a horde of activities like Debate, Knowledge Bowl, Honor Society, TSA, ASB, Basketball team, etc. I was born in Costa Rica but moved to the US when I was quite young and both my parents were American Citizens temporarily living in Costa Rica when I was born. When it came time to apply I checked the "Caucasion" box on the application in accordance with the truth, but i'll confess that I toyed with the idea of checking hispanic. I had previously listed my birth place as San Jose, Costa Rica after all. I don't think it takes an in-depth study to say that if I had checked that hispanic box I would have been accepted.
One of my friends at a rival high school IS hispanic and finished high school with a 3.6 GPA, a 1340 SAT I score, barely any activities and the most god awful essay i've ever had the opportunity to proofread. He is now a junior at Stanford. It wasn't a big deal at the time, in fact the $100,000 difference in tuition costs might have meant I would have attended the UW regardless.
This situation slanted me pretty strongly towards my current viewpoint that Caucasian males are *strongly* discriminated against in the college admissions process of at least some colleges.
I wasn't going to respond to this but it seems shocking that so few people have mentioned specific areas. Are white males discriminated against the most in general? Probably not, but that is a such a huge question that I don't think anybody can credibly answer it with any semblance of meaningful support. Why not instead ask the question: Are caucasians discriminated against the most in specific areas? Definitely... i'd use the college admissions process for a start.
I was rejected from Stanford with a 3.92 high school GPA, a 1510 SAT I / 790 SAT II english and a horde of activities like Debate, Knowledge Bowl, Honor Society, TSA, ASB, Basketball team, etc. I was born in Costa Rica but moved to the US when I was quite young and both my parents were American Citizens temporarily living in Costa Rica when I was born. When it came time to apply I checked the "Caucasion" box on the application in accordance with the truth, but i'll confess that I toyed with the idea of checking hispanic. I had previously listed my birth place as San Jose, Costa Rica after all. I don't think it takes an in-depth study to say that if I had checked that hispanic box I would have been accepted.
One of my friends at a rival high school IS hispanic and finished high school with a 3.6 GPA, a 1340 SAT I score, barely any activities and the most god awful essay i've ever had the opportunity to proofread. He is now a junior at Stanford. It wasn't a big deal at the time, in fact the $100,000 difference in tuition costs might have meant I would have attended the UW regardless.
This situation slanted me pretty strongly towards my current viewpoint that Caucasian males are *strongly* discriminated against in the college admissions process of at least some colleges.
The current discrimination toward whites, white males and Christians is more than just in the job market or educational areana.
I believe that there is a more insidious trend going on, one that if reversed or pointed in another direction wouldn't be accepted for a moment. Every so often, I tune into BET and occasionally also see the DEF Comedy stuff. I am more and more outraged at the fact that a black man or woman can stand on stage and make derogatory comments and / or jokes about white people and also sometimes asians and that it is considered ok. The use of derogatory statements, slurs and name calling should never be considered ok.
Let me pose a question: What would the public response be if Jay Leno or Jerry Seinfeld came on stage and started to talk about lazy n*ers? OUTRAGE! , and rightfully so. But a black comedian can stand up and talk about a white guy having a dinky d!ck or asians not knowing how to drive and it's not only socially acceptable, it's FUNNY!
I know this might seem like a small thing, but if you look back at how/when people became oppressed in history, you find that devalueing and dehumanizing them was the first step. We have come to a point in this nation where for a white person to do that publically to someone else is unacceptable... but should afirmative action include openly negative stereotypes of people being ok if you are one of the previously oppressed?
My children go to a school that is about 90% black. My daughter is the only white girl in her class and my son has only two others in his class. In each of their cases, their best friends at school are black, not white. We teach our children that they are to judge others on the content of their charecter and on their behaviour, NOT simply the color of the gift-wrap they happen to be wearing. I believe that the ONLY way to gain equality is to make people equal in the minds of men, not by laws. All AA is doing at this point is to make white people harbor resentment against others. Eventually there will be a backlash from this; two wrongs don't make a right.
BTW... I think young black males are both the most dangerous and the most discriminated against. Most dangerous not because of genetics, but because of the environment so many are raised in and the subsequent behaviours that become normalized. I knew a ton of black guys in the Army and some of the very worst guys I knew where black guys from the inner city... conversely, some of the most excellent people I knew were black guys raised in small, rural farming communities. It's not about color, it's about charecter.
Joe
I believe that there is a more insidious trend going on, one that if reversed or pointed in another direction wouldn't be accepted for a moment. Every so often, I tune into BET and occasionally also see the DEF Comedy stuff. I am more and more outraged at the fact that a black man or woman can stand on stage and make derogatory comments and / or jokes about white people and also sometimes asians and that it is considered ok. The use of derogatory statements, slurs and name calling should never be considered ok.
Let me pose a question: What would the public response be if Jay Leno or Jerry Seinfeld came on stage and started to talk about lazy n*ers? OUTRAGE! , and rightfully so. But a black comedian can stand up and talk about a white guy having a dinky d!ck or asians not knowing how to drive and it's not only socially acceptable, it's FUNNY!
I know this might seem like a small thing, but if you look back at how/when people became oppressed in history, you find that devalueing and dehumanizing them was the first step. We have come to a point in this nation where for a white person to do that publically to someone else is unacceptable... but should afirmative action include openly negative stereotypes of people being ok if you are one of the previously oppressed?
My children go to a school that is about 90% black. My daughter is the only white girl in her class and my son has only two others in his class. In each of their cases, their best friends at school are black, not white. We teach our children that they are to judge others on the content of their charecter and on their behaviour, NOT simply the color of the gift-wrap they happen to be wearing. I believe that the ONLY way to gain equality is to make people equal in the minds of men, not by laws. All AA is doing at this point is to make white people harbor resentment against others. Eventually there will be a backlash from this; two wrongs don't make a right.
BTW... I think young black males are both the most dangerous and the most discriminated against. Most dangerous not because of genetics, but because of the environment so many are raised in and the subsequent behaviours that become normalized. I knew a ton of black guys in the Army and some of the very worst guys I knew where black guys from the inner city... conversely, some of the most excellent people I knew were black guys raised in small, rural farming communities. It's not about color, it's about charecter.
Joe
Doesnt feel too good now does it. how do you think minorities have been putting up with for years. well now they are not thats why you feel the way you do................white oppressor........ what land did you take over lately and force the people to convert to christianity over their will. lol
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