Are we any closer to OLED pc monitors?!!?

[chrisheinonen]

No LCD can beat an OLED screen. OLED offers actual infinite contrast, near instant response times, no blurring and great angle viewing. It is hard to make as everything is at the start but will improve, just not tomorrow.

As far as high resolution, don't use the iPad as a comparison. Apple might have agreed to buy 20 million of those panels, which brings the cost way down. No one is going to commit to 20 million panels for a monitor. Then you need to add all the extra electronics, controls, case, and so on and your price is now far, far higher. People might complain about Apple offering limited flexibility in customization but in cases like this the scale of their purchase allows for an affordable high resolution panel.

 

[taltamir]

16:10 monitor, 24 inch diagonal.
16^2 + 10^2 = X^2
X = 18.867962264113207622641320755245
24/X = 1.2719974560076319745600890396795
16 * 1.27 = 20.32
10 * 1.27 = 12.7
20.32 * 12.7 = 258.064 inch^2 panel to make a 24 inch monitor.

There is a 25" sony OLED monitor, cheapest I could find was 23,400$ http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...r_EL_OLED.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Wave_S8500
3.3 inch screen, 800x480 resolutions
3.3 / 932.95230317524807533986446040729 = 0.00353715831856424477093468832645
800 * 0.00353715831856424477093468832645 = 2.83"
480 * 0.00353715831856424477093468832645 = 1.70"
2.83*1.70 = 4.811 inch^2

258.064 inch^2 / 4.811 inch^2 = 53.640407399709000207856994387861

You could make 53.64 phone screens for every one 24 inch monitor. Each defect when manufacturing monitors costs you 53.64x as much (since you have to scrap 258.064 inch^2 per defect instead of 4.811).
The OLED market was half a billion dollars in 2006. It grew since... there is just too much demand and not enough product. Samsung discontinued the above phone since it couldn't make enough OLED screens to meet demand.

23400$ is rather excessive though, since dividing that at 53.64 (I know, that was for 24 inch not 25 inch) you get 436.24$ per cell phone display which is way more then they cost. However sony is overcharging since its a mastering monitor and also might suggest low yields.

As far as TVs go... OLED TVs were promised to be "next year" every year for more then 5 years now. Each time with working demo units. So far they have not materialized. And samsung had laptop monitors made of OLED, also with functional demo units... never got a product.

There is also a possibility that quantum dot displays will kill OLED before they are even born.

 

[Meaker10]

Ah but the pixels are larger on a TV so it's not as easy a calculation as that. You should be able to more reliably make larger pixels and there are the same number of components to go wrong as a smaller display (or slightly more if the resolution is a bit higher).

 

[BenSkywalker]

a really good LCD would be just as good as an OLED especially since the latter has issues with blue oleds burning out.

A couple of years ago blue OLEDs had a half life of 14K hours, a bit under seven years at 40 hours a week. CRTs were around 30K for half life as point of reference. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't see people keeping their displays anywhere near as long they did back in the old console CRT days.

They're worthless unless they absolutely eliminate that issue without any side effect.

I'd think you will find anyone interested in actual display quality wouldn't have the slightest issue with a 14K hour half life(and those aren't the most up to date numbers, just the ones I recall from 2010).

The problem with LCDs is that they just aren't taking advantage of the available technology

LCDs have shockingly bad contrast, lousy color space and are insanely slow. If you applied every bit of the latest technology- every single one of these elments would still be the same when compared to OLED. LCD monitor technology sucked when it first hit, it isn't like there has been some revolution since then.

There is also a possibility that quantum dot displays will kill OLED before they are even born.

Right around 50 million OLED displays shipped last year. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they are pretty well past the 'born' phase

Taltamir- High end phone screens are 1280x720 now, 800x480 is pay as you go ultra low end crap.

 

[Meaker10]

The galaxy S2 has a 800x480 and because of the high quality of the display feels fine. It's hardly low end.

 

[BenSkywalker]

The galaxy S2 has a 800x480 and because of the high quality of the display feels fine. It's hardly low end.

Do you not follow the UP market at all? Galaxy Note is the high end, Galaxy Nexus is the mid range, Galaxy S2 is entry level.

The UP market moves a lot faster then the glacial like PC market

 

[Nvidiaguy07]

Do you not follow the UP market at all? Galaxy Note is the high end, Galaxy Nexus is the mid range, Galaxy S2 is entry level.

The UP market moves a lot faster then the glacial like PC market

Note>nexus??? Galaxy s2 is at worst mid-range. Yes it can be had for cheap with a contract, but its far from a entry level phone.

 

[Meaker10]

No, the galaxy Ace with its 800mhz single core processor and 480x320 display is more like an entry level smart phone.

The nexus has a pentile display and the note is a very similar PPI but is a larger device.

So please try again.

 

[imaheadcase]

they could in theory double up the size and resolution in iPAD and BAM we got our self 20" 4K display, and i don't mind paying for $1500.



its because of HDMI and HD Crap, if they start using Displayport then I'm pretty sure every video card will support it.



tbh right now LCD display technology kinda stalled, because i have a 3 years old IPS 30" Lg LCD that still have superior colors and contrast. and to have better colors and accurate black level we need to move out to oled technology but its still not ready yet, so why not we increase the resolution ??? its freakin stupid that even my smartphone have way higher Dpi than my monitor since last year.

You still are not getting it. You don't scale smart phone screens to computer monitor screens. It does not work like that. You are talking making a whole new factory for that type of work, no company wants to invest BILLIONS into making from the example you used 20 inch OLED "monitors" with hardly anyone buying them.

 

[Pooptacular]

Is there a reason you didn't use the $6100 OLED monitor?

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-monitors/cat-oledmonitors/product-PVM2541/

edit: here it is even cheaper @ b&h http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...M_2541_Professional_OLED_Picture_Monitor.html

16:10 monitor, 24 inch diagonal.
16^2 + 10^2 = X^2
X = 18.867962264113207622641320755245
24/X = 1.2719974560076319745600890396795
16 * 1.27 = 20.32
10 * 1.27 = 12.7
20.32 * 12.7 = 258.064 inch^2 panel to make a 24 inch monitor.

There is a 25" sony OLED monitor, cheapest I could find was 23,400$ http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...r_EL_OLED.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Wave_S8500
3.3 inch screen, 800x480 resolutions
3.3 / 932.95230317524807533986446040729 = 0.00353715831856424477093468832645
800 * 0.00353715831856424477093468832645 = 2.83"
480 * 0.00353715831856424477093468832645 = 1.70"
2.83*1.70 = 4.811 inch^2

258.064 inch^2 / 4.811 inch^2 = 53.640407399709000207856994387861

You could make 53.64 phone screens for every one 24 inch monitor. Each defect when manufacturing monitors costs you 53.64x as much (since you have to scrap 258.064 inch^2 per defect instead of 4.811).
The OLED market was half a billion dollars in 2006. It grew since... there is just too much demand and not enough product. Samsung discontinued the above phone since it couldn't make enough OLED screens to meet demand.

23400$ is rather excessive though, since dividing that at 53.64 (I know, that was for 24 inch not 25 inch) you get 436.24$ per cell phone display which is way more then they cost. However sony is overcharging since its a mastering monitor and also might suggest low yields.

As far as TVs go... OLED TVs were promised to be "next year" every year for more then 5 years now. Each time with working demo units. So far they have not materialized. And samsung had laptop monitors made of OLED, also with functional demo units... never got a product.

There is also a possibility that quantum dot displays will kill OLED before they are even born.

 

[Nvidiaguy07]

Is there a reason you didn't use the $6100 OLED monitor?

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-monitors/cat-oledmonitors/product-PVM2541/

edit: here it is even cheaper @ b&h http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...e_Monitor.html

yikes, that looks hideous. If i were going to use something like that i would rather go back to using CRT.

 

[QuantumPion]

Ah but the pixels are larger on a TV so it's not as easy a calculation as that. You should be able to more reliably make larger pixels and there are the same number of components to go wrong as a smaller display (or slightly more if the resolution is a bit higher).

Actually I think OLEDs are the opposite of LCD's in this regard. It is easier to make larger LCD transistors because they are more reliable. On the contrary with OLED's, the larger they are the more difficult it is to make them uniform and reliable.

 

[taltamir]

Is there a reason you didn't use the $6100 OLED monitor?

http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-monitors/cat-oledmonitors/product-PVM2541/

edit: here it is even cheaper @ b&h http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...e_Monitor.html

I didn't see it, but its still more then 100$ per phone display.

 

[Tuna-Fish]

Why is this? and why do we suck so bad at making them?

Because manufacturing OLEDs means dealing with completely different materials than what we are used to, and we don't have the decades of experience with them that we do with traditional screens.

Don't think one cause that kills 30% of the panels, think a few hundred causes that each kill 0.5% of them. They will go away with manufacturing experience, but that takes years and volumes.

 

[blackened23]

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Noooo.

Currently OLED monitors range in the 20k price area for 23-25" screens. Looks like it'll be a good wait.

 

[taltamir]

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Noooo.

Currently OLED monitors range in the 20k price area for 23-25" screens. Looks like it'll be a good wait.

I thought so too at first but someone in this thread already corrected me
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...e_Monitor.html
A 25" OLED for $5,500

 

[chrisheinonen]

None of the OLED displays that you are picking out have any relevance to the cost of a monitor, or a TV, based on the technology. The $25,000 one is a BVM (Broadcast Video Monitor) used for final mastering of actual video content. Even when they used CRTs they were still $10,000 and up for a 23" one, and no one was paying $10,000 for a 24" computer LCD.

LG did release a 15" OLED in Europe that was selling for around $2,000 or so while it was still available:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/LG-15EL9500_TV_review

That's actually a consumer set, and not a professional display that has 10-bit color, 12 or 14-bit LUTs, self calibration, and all sorts of other things not needed in a home display. So you could see an OLED monitor in a year or two, but it would cost you $3,000 or up most likely.

 

[taltamir]

None of the OLED displays that you are picking out have any relevance to the cost of a monitor, or a TV, based on the technology. The $25,000 one is a BVM (Broadcast Video Monitor) used for final mastering of actual video content. Even when they used CRTs they were still $10,000 and up for a 23" one, and no one was paying $10,000 for a 24" computer LCD..

A but late with that comment, see:

I thought so too at first but someone in this thread already corrected me
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...e_Monitor.html
A 25" OLED for $5,500

Also, LCDs were never all that good at image quality. An OLED's inherant superiority makes it ideal for mastering purposes.