Are we any closer to OLED pc monitors?!!?

[Nvidiaguy07]

Asked this question a while ago, and at the time they were selling one for like $5000 or something like that.

Since that time, OLED TV's have been shown at CES and are due out by the end of the year (yes i know for ~$3000+), so does this mean we should be expecting computer monitors soon?

I dont get how they can make 4-5" screens, and 40-50" screens, but not 24" OLED screens.

I'm currently using ASUS's 3D monitor, and its ok (love the 120hz), but i would kill to do some oled gaming. I would probably go back and play games like dead space and other crap like that just to see how much better a dark game like that looks on a new screen.

So what do you think, are we almost there?

 

[ViRGE]

I wouldn't hold my breath on this one.

 

[Nintendesert]

We can't even do 3D IPS screens.

 

[Nvidiaguy07]

I wouldn't hold my breath on this one.

Maybe ill just spend 3000 on a new tv instead of ~1500 and do all my gaming in the living room. I just dont get how a 24" is harder to make than a 55"

does it have to do with quality? I just dont get it

We can't even do 3D IPS screens.

What does 3d have to do with it?

 

[bunnyfubbles]

We can't even do 3D IPS screens.

because IPS is too slow, of which LCD is too slow at such a fundamental level of the technology that it has no chance really of ever being improved, hence the development of newer technologies like OLED

 

[blastingcap]

Asked this question a while ago, and at the time they were selling one for like $5000 or something like that.

Since that time, OLED TV's have been shown at CES and are due out by the end of the year (yes i know for ~$3000+), so does this mean we should be expecting computer monitors soon?

I dont get how they can make 4-5" screens, and 40-50" screens, but not 24" OLED screens.

I'm currently using ASUS's 3D monitor, and its ok (love the 120hz), but i would kill to do some oled gaming. I would probably go back and play games like dead space and other crap like that just to see how much better a dark game like that looks on a new screen.

So what do you think, are we almost there?

The technology is there, but the cost is way out of most people's budgets for now. http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/02/tech/gaming-gadgets/lg-oled-screen/index.html (As you noted.) The market for expen$$$ive TVs is probably way bigger than for expen$$$ive monitors.

There's probably more innovation going on for mobile, as that's the frontier nobody wants to be left out of if possible. Like foldable OLED screens.

 

[Zebo]

I'd say pretty much never. LCD panels cost ~$10- 35 to make and monitors are commodized in ASIA for as low as $70 for 20" and $200 for 27"on the loading dock. OLEDs cost $5000 to make. Thing is LCDs are just fine and wonderful for 99% of users so there is no incentive to mass produce OLED and bring the prices down.

 

[uclaLabrat]

I'd say pretty much never. LCD panels cost ~$10- 35 to make and monitors are commodized in ASIA for as low as $70 for 20" and $200 for 27"on the loading dock. OLEDs cost $5000 to make. Thing is LCDs are just fine and wonderful for 99% of users so there is no incentive to mass produce OLED and bring the prices down.

And that will last about 2 or 3 more years, then OLEDs will be the same price or cheaper than LCDs.

 

[Nvidiaguy07]

And that will last about 2 or 3 more years, then OLEDs will be the same price or cheaper than LCDs.

well at least 2 or 3 more years is better than 4 or 5. I just dont get how they can make and sell a 55" OLED for 3000, and not be able to make a screen half that size and sell it for ~1500.

I guess whoever said the market isnt there has a point - but is that really the reason why?

At this point maybe my best hope is to wait for them to make a 32" OLED TV, and hopefully itll be cheap enough to where i can use it as my computer monitor. Although 32" 1920x1080 might be unbearable.

If they did sell 23-24" OLED 1080p computer monitors right now, i might be willing to spend ~1000+ on it. I spent 800 on a 27" dell IPS before realizing it didnt look that great and returning it. (and by great i mean vibrant deep colors, to me it just looked like a really good LCD, nothing special. viewing angles were nice)

 

[StinkyPinky]

I saw an OLED during some convention here in Vegas a few years ago. Back then it was only 15" but the colors were amazing and the viewing angles excellent.

I think they are having some issues with the blue led's are they not? Their lifespan is pretty short compared to other colors.

I'd love to get one if (once?) they are at most twice the price of LCD-LED monitors.

 

[chrisheinonen]

Well, first the 50-55" OLED sets that are possibly coming out this fall are priced around $8,000 and not $3,000. Second, to make a monitor version you now need to take every element in that screen and make it 80% smaller or more. Manufacturing a larger OLED might be easier than a smaller one, or being able to produce more panels with smaller yields might make the smaller size win out. The only commercial OLEDs so far have been an 11" 540p model from Sony for over $2k and I believe a 20" or so in Europe for $2-3k. They just won't be cheap for a while.

TV vendors have been losing a lot of money recently and OLED is a chance at a new, higher margin item that other companies can't make so I'd expect the price to stay as high as they can for a while. May as well make the same profit on 5,000 sets as on 50,000 sets.

 

[ViRGE]

Second, to make a monitor version you now need to take every element in that screen and make it 80% smaller or more.

Bingo. Phone screens are small, TV screens are low density. Computer displays are neither.

 

[Nvidiaguy07]

Bingo. Phone screens are small, TV screens are low density. Computer displays are neither.

yea makes sense i guess. Of all the things on my tech wish list, this might be number one. I just hate the fact that I see the tech on my crappy 4.3 inch phone everday, and will see it on TV's in the near future, but wont have it on my PC until probably something like 2015-2017

 

[wahdangun]

i think we need higher resolution display right now like 4K resolution, i mean iPAD3 already have 2048 x 1536 resolution in a freakin 10" display and have cost below $1000, so why they can't release 30" 4K display and priced like $1500 ????

 

[imaheadcase]

Its hard for people to understand that just because smartphone/tablet can be OLED that it can't be instantly available to higher end devices. Its just to costly to scale up more.

Ironically that is weird for a technology to scale UP instead of down for screens. lol

Wahdangun, i JUST posted the above information right as i pressed post button i saw what you typed. lol That is the answer for it. The display is one of the most costly things that go into a phone.

 

[Meaker10]

well at least 2 or 3 more years is better than 4 or 5. I just dont get how they can make and sell a 55" OLED for 3000, and not be able to make a screen half that size and sell it for ~1500.

I guess whoever said the market isnt there has a point - but is that really the reason why?

At this point maybe my best hope is to wait for them to make a 32" OLED TV, and hopefully itll be cheap enough to where i can use it as my computer monitor. Although 32" 1920x1080 might be unbearable.

If they did sell 23-24" OLED 1080p computer monitors right now, i might be willing to spend ~1000+ on it. I spent 800 on a 27" dell IPS before realizing it didnt look that great and returning it. (and by great i mean vibrant deep colors, to me it just looked like a really good LCD, nothing special. viewing angles were nice)

The same reason 30 years ago a machine with the power of my notebook would take up a building (or more).

 

[Edrick]

i think we need higher resolution display right now like 4K resolution, i mean iPAD3 already have 2048 x 1536 resolution in a freakin 10" display and have cost below $1000, so why they can't release 30" 4K display and priced like $1500 ????

Not many video cards can support 4K.

 

[-Slacker-]

I hear that yields for large format oleds are still crippling, something like less than 20%...

 

[Nvidiaguy07]

I hear that yields for large format oleds are still crippling, something like less than 20%...

Why is this? and why do we suck so bad at making them?

 

[Anarchist420]

a really good LCD would be just as good as an OLED especially since the latter has issues with blue oleds burning out. They're worthless unless they absolutely eliminate that issue without any side effect.

The problem with LCDs is that they just aren't taking advantage of the available technology (they could do 120 Hz input with H-IPS, but they won't; they could use extra long life RGB LEDs, they could make H-IPS panels with better contrast, they could use less processing so there is less input lag, but they choose not to) and the fact that too many people have to have pixel response times of less than 1ms, when 6.7 ms gray to gray is good enough for a gamer like myself.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

a really good LCD would be just as good as an OLED especially since the latter has issues with blue oleds burning out. They're worthless unless they absolutely eliminate that issue without any side effect.

LCD will never be as good as current OLED screens much less the improved future versions.

 

[Nvidiaguy07]

LCD will never be as good as current OLED screens much less the improved future versions.

I want to check out the LCD on the new HTC phones. Ive heard that there pretty close to OLED quality, but really my only real reason for wanting OLED more than anything else is black levels.

I doubt the new lcd's in those phones dont come close to my sgs2 screen in terms of black level.

 

[Insomniator]

i think we need higher resolution display right now like 4K resolution, i mean iPAD3 already have 2048 x 1536 resolution in a freakin 10" display and have cost below $1000, so why they can't release 30" 4K display and priced like $1500 ????

I'd take better colors and contrast over as many pixels as they can possibly pack into a given size.

 

[darkewaffle]

Nope. Because people won't pay for it.

Unless it's got an Apple on it. Then it'll be "revolutionary".

 

[wahdangun]

Its hard for people to understand that just because smartphone/tablet can be OLED that it can't be instantly available to higher end devices. Its just to costly to scale up more.

Ironically that is weird for a technology to scale UP instead of down for screens. lol

Wahdangun, i JUST posted the above information right as i pressed post button i saw what you typed. lol That is the answer for it. The display is one of the most costly things that go into a phone.

they could in theory double up the size and resolution in iPAD and BAM we got our self 20" 4K display, and i don't mind paying for $1500.

Not many video cards can support 4K.

its because of HDMI and HD Crap, if they start using Displayport then I'm pretty sure every video card will support it.

I'd take better colors and contrast over as many pixels as they can possibly pack into a given size.

tbh right now LCD display technology kinda stalled, because i have a 3 years old IPS 30" Lg LCD that still have superior colors and contrast. and to have better colors and accurate black level we need to move out to oled technology but its still not ready yet, so why not we increase the resolution ??? its freakin stupid that even my smartphone have way higher Dpi than my monitor since last year.