Question are video card prices headed down yet?

[gdansk]

Typo? The Ti is 16GB, the plain 5070 is 12GB. I'm curious about the price of the rumored Super cards with 3GB gddr7 chips.

No, not a typo. Read it again, maybe backwards will help.

1. No way I'm spending over $500 on a 12GB card.
2. might get me excited if the 5070 Ti was $550

 

[jpiniero]

I'm curious about the price of the rumored Super cards with 3GB gddr7 chips.

I think the MSRP will be slightly higher. The actual prices is tough to guess.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Typo? The Ti is 16GB, the plain 5070 is 12GB. I'm curious about the price of the rumored Super cards with 3GB gddr7 chips.

Which is why I might get excited over a $550 5070 Ti. But a $550 5070 is gross.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

5070ti, some models at MSRP. A few 50 series cards on Newegg are listing volume discounts; can't remember the last time I saw that. MSRP 5080 FE showed up today too.

 

[igor_kavinski]

A few 50 series cards on Newegg are listing volume discounts; can't remember the last time I saw that.

They are baiting scalpers

 

[jpiniero]

5070ti, some models at MSRP. A few 50 series cards on Newegg are listing volume discounts; can't remember the last time I saw that. MSRP 5080 FE showed up today too.

Yeah I've seen several MSRP 5080s. The Supers are definitely coming soon.

 

[igor_kavinski]

The Supers are definitely coming soon.

Wouldn't it be fun if they have to cancel the Super because the vanilla isn't selling despite their best efforts?

 

[jpiniero]

Wouldn't it be fun if they have to cancel the Super because the vanilla isn't selling despite their best efforts?

I'm assuming the MSRP of the Supers will be higher than vanilla. MSRP is basically like a price cut.

 

[igor_kavinski]

I'm assuming the MSRP of the Supers will be higher than vanilla. MSRP is basically like a price cut.

Probably $200 extra for a bit more RAM. Only the stupid faithful will buy with glee.

 

[MoragaBlue]

I'm with you guys on the pricing.

As I've mentioned before, the best advice I've gotten on this board was to stick with my old 12GB 3080 OC card I had picked up for about $700. Far as I'm concerned, I ain't ever gonna spend more than $800 for a gpu--just not gonna do it.

I was about to pick up a 4080 gaming laptop, but they seem to mostly have disappeared. I'll keep looking since the 5 series pricing is just too hefty for my tastes.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Only the stupid faithful will buy with glee.

And millions more will buy it begrudgingly, causing NVIDIA to raise prices again next generation. Mark my words, by the time we get to the 7000 series of RTX cards the 7060 will cost $1000, and the 7090 will be in the $5k range.

 

[igor_kavinski]

One local retailer selling MSI Ventus 5090 for $2961. Guess units must not be moving. Everyone else is selling their cards for quite a bit more money. The most "sensible" looks like ASUS Astral LC for $3669 because I'm partial to liquid cooling. Can't really think why I would want to go into debt for it, though.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I am making my way around eBay now messaging sellers and offering them IMO realistic but lower pricing for their parts.

AMD 7xxx series and earlier are easier to work over thanks to the lack of buzzword features like DLSS4 or even FSR4.

Generally going around asking for ~$250 for 7800xt/7900gre performance, or $300 for 7900xt.

My spiel is usually "hey it's a 3 year old card without warranty, performs around a $350 9060xt 16gb or 5060ti, and it doesn't have FSR4 or DLSS4. I think $250 is a fair asking price under those circumstances".

No one is biting but I have had a few people agree but then say they can't go that low.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Generally going around asking for ~$250 for 7800xt/7900gre performance, or $300 for 7900xt.

No one with a clue is going to sell you any of those in good working condition for such lowball offers. Wanting a 20GB card for the cost of a 5060 is not sensible IMO.

My spiel is usually "hey it's a 3 year old card without warranty, performs around a $350 9060xt 16gb

Where are you seeing $350 9060XTs? Don't forget most of us here in the states pay tax too. Cheapest one I see would cost $394 to my door.

or 5060ti, and it doesn't have FSR4 or DLSS4. I think $250 is a fair asking price under those circumstances".

Mucho buyers willing to pay more. Also, the 7800XT came out 23 months ago.

 

[igor_kavinski]

No one with a clue is going to sell you any of those in good working condition for such lowball offers.

Worked for a 10900X+mobo combo once. I got the guy to agree to price it down from $650 to $400 once I showed him that brand new 12700K+mobo was selling for $500. Unfortunately, he didn't change the listing to Buy It Now so obviously someone else got to enjoy the fruit of my hard work.

No one is biting but I have had a few people agree but then say they can't go that low.

Insert bits about how your kid could use a better card. Someone's heart might just melt.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Worked for a 10900X+mobo combo once. I got the guy to agree to price it down from $650 to $400 once I showed him that brand new 12700K+mobo was selling for $500. Unfortunately, he didn't change the listing to Buy It Now so obviously someone else got to enjoy the fruit of my hard work.

Your anecdote has nothing to do with the current GPU market. There are very few of us that price our stuff below market value. I do it because as I always state; I rent hardware I don't buy it. But good luck finding someone to sell you a working 20GB 7900XTfor $300. Or a 7800XT for half of MSRP 23 months after launch. It's still better than the 9060XT in raster, which is what most AMD buyers are focused on. If they put a premium on upscaling and RT for the used market, they are shopping Nvidia.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Your anecdote has nothing to do with the current GPU market.

True but some people are "generous". Doesn't hurt to keep trying until you happen to find the right person.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

No one with a clue is going to sell you any of those in good working condition for such lowball offers. Wanting a 20GB card for the cost of a 5060 is not sensible IMO.

- No one with a clue will be buying the cards for the asking price either. Used 7800XT/7900GRE for $550? GTFO I can get a brand new 5070 for that kind of money that is faster and has that big D Nvidia energy behind it. Hell $550 was the 7900GRE MSRP.

The idea is to get them to negotiate down but there is definitely a strong element of "I know what I got and I know what it's worth" but the longer the card sits the more the doubt eats at them.

Where are you seeing $350 9060XTs? Don't forget most of us here in the states pay tax too. Cheapest one I see would cost $394 to my door.

- Plenty of people pay sales tax and shipping (which is free for a lot of Amazon/Newegg/etc buyers) for an ebay purchase as well, which has to be factored into the final savings.

You're right, cheapest actual 9060XT 16GB price I can find is $369, but my point still stands.

Mucho buyers willing to pay more. Also, the 7800XT came out 23 months ago.

- Which they really shouldn't, I think a lot of people don't realize how close the 9060XT and 5060Ti get to 6800XT/4070/7800XT performance tier. And ultimately 2 or 3 years is splitting hairs: It's used, you don't know how hard/for what/in what kind of environment, and there is no warranty in the event something goes wrong in virtually all cases so you're taking a bath on whatever you paid if the card craps the bed.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

True but some people are "generous". Doesn't hurt to keep trying until you happen to find the right person.

Like the deals I've given you? I am not saying it doesn't happen. I think it is unlikely you will get a deal by sending lowball offers to sellers though. More likely to make them spicy if anything.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The idea is to get them to negotiate down but there is definitely a strong element of "I know what I got and I know what it's worth" but the longer the card sits the more the doubt eats at them.

Few are going to respond positively with a counter offer to lowballing. At least in my personal experience, they end up wasting my time. As the unreasonable first offer rarely comes from someone willing to be reasonable.

You're right, cheapest actual 9060XT 16GB price I can find is $369, but my point still stands.

So does mine. I'd laugh and tell you to go buy it. Your version of Ferengi math does not control market pricing and your offers are too low to be taken seriously.

- Which they really shouldn't, I think a lot of people don't realize how close the 9060XT and 5060Ti get to 6800XT/4070/7800XT performance tier. And ultimately 2 or 3 years is splitting hairs: It's used, you don't know how hard/for what/in what kind of environment, and there is no warranty in the event something goes wrong in virtually all cases so you're taking a bath on whatever you paid if the card craps the bed.

Rubbish. Ebay has 30 days, that's plenty of time to decide if the card is solid or not. And LOL at splitting hairs. Get real. That year puts it on the other side of crypto slaving. That's a big plus for used cards.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Few are going to respond positively with a counter offer to lowballing. At least in my personal experience, they end up wasting my time. As the unreasonable first offer rarely comes from someone willing to be reasonable.

- The beauty of online shopping is no one's time is getting wasted. Takes me 30 seconds to send a message to a seller and it takes them 30 seconds to respond, They're betting there is another sucker out there willing to drop coin and I'm betting that they're tired of having this hunk of depreciating metal sitting in their closet. Folks aren't going to bite on the first, tenth, or even 50th message, but someone will bite eventually.

I have the benefit of not really *needing* a new card right now, just want to put my 980Ti out of it's misery. So why not lowball and get the lower prices into the minds of folks who can't sell their overpriced cards? Not infrequently do I see a "seller offers a $50 discount" or something else on a watch listed product that is still sitting a few days after my lowball.

Puts a smile on my face when the product still doesn't move.

So does mine. I'd laugh and tell you to go buy it. Your version of Ferengi math does not control market pricing and your offers are too low to be taken seriously.

- The thing about the Ferengi is they're good at math and they're great at business.

ROA 3: Never spend more for an acquisition than you have to.

ROA 98: Every man has his price.

Rubbish. Ebay has 30 days, that's plenty of time to decide if the card is solid or not. And LOL at splitting hairs. Get real. That year puts it on the other side of crypto slaving. That's a big plus for used cards.

- eBay is about the only place I'll shop used thanks to their buyer friendly protections, but I've had at least one card (RTX 3080) that was fine during benching and slowly failed over the 30 day period during actual gameplay in such a way that I couldn't really tell if it was my system, the card, or just the games I was playing. When the "snowy RAM failure" errors started to show up I realized the seller was a computer shop that probably tried to refurb the card and then sell it as working (since it was fine in benchmarking). They even tried to pull the whole "keep it for $50" crap when I filed the return claim but no thanks.

Anyone alive knows murphy's law dictates that crap will break when the warranty ends.

 

[igor_kavinski]

When the "snowy RAM failure" errors started to show up I realized the seller was a computer shop that probably tried to refurb the card and then sell it as working (since it was fine in benchmarking). They even tried to pull the whole "keep it for $50" crap when I filed the return claim but no thanks.

Same thing happened to me with my first 3090 I got locally. It somehow passed the benchmark fine but snow appeared in Unreal 5 Matrix demo and it kept snowing in benchmarks even after reboots. Complained to the seller, gave him the evidence when he asked for it and he replaced it.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The thing about the Ferengi is they're good at math and they're great at business.

In the same way real corpo scum are great at it. I don't think most of us are applauding how Walmart and Amazon run their biz.

ROA 3: Never spend more for an acquisition than you have to.

ROA 98: Every man has his price.

"all other goals are subjugated to the pursuit of profit." That's no way to live, or to treat others. Rules of Acquisition can suck it.

Anyone alive knows murphy's law dictates that crap will break when the warranty ends.

And yet it usually doesn't. The bathtub curve/cradle to grave is better metric IMO. Even better, with crypto behind us, it should no longer be accelerated for GPUs produced after.

I am mostly being devil's advocate. As I price my stuff using about the same criteria you use when making offers. I am not a greedy person/Ferengi. I usually sell my stuff at prices where there is enough meat left on the bones for resell at a profit.

I hope you find your altruistic seller. You are missing out by shopping Ebay. For sale/trade forums are where the consistently best deals are found. 1000s of reputable Heatware traders that do not misrepresent what they sell.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Well, I am just glad we are finally starting to get cards at MSRP. I think some of this is the nervous market conditions, with the consumer confidence/expectation levels still hovering in the area of expecting a recession in the near future, purchasing of things like inflated priced GPUs seems to have finally stopped. I don't think we will see "Super" cards for another 6-9 months (i.e. a year after the initial cards were released with any kind of availability other than the pre-orders and launch day drop). I also don't expect to see price cuts with the "Super" cards due to the tariff situation in the US at least. Just the fact that we are hitting the MSRP which was pre-tariffs shows there has really been a price cut in the profit margins already that the retailers/brands are eating on top of the cut of the over MSRP pricing....

 

[GodisanAtheist]

In the same way real corpo scum are great at it. I don't think most of us are applauding how Walmart and Amazon run their biz.

- And yet Amazon and Walmart are titans in their respective spheres (Online/Big Box Retail). At the end of the day, the consumer is the one that wants the cheap stuff. Business follows culture and our culture is all about wanting Nordstrom quality at Walmart prices. This is getting off in the weeds though.

"all other goals are subjugated to the pursuit of profit." That's no way to live, or to treat others. Rules of Acquisition can suck it.

- It's just capitalism. eBay is a market place, every seller that says no to me can afford to wait and find someone who will say yes. I'm not their buyer, they will find a buyer that is desperate and take advantage of them with their pants on head ridiculous prices. I think that's a sham but it's how the market works.

I am a buyer that can wait, and eventually I'll get paired off with a seller who can't and we'll arrive at a fair price for a working product that is equitable between the two of us and no one else.

That's the thing with a true marketplace, every transaction is exactly as fair as the buyer and seller want it to be. The best transactions are always the ones where both the seller and the buyer think they got one over on the other, or at least got what they wanted out of the sale.

And yet it usually doesn't. The bathtub curve/cradle to grave is better metric IMO. Even better, with crypto behind us, it should no longer be accelerated for GPUs produced after.

- I know, that's why I am so willing to buy used. But there are a LOT of people that will not buy used and will pay new prices because that warranty carries an implicit monetary value to them. What an intangible like a warranty is worth to people varies from buyer to buyer and seller to seller. I would be a bad buyer if I didn't openly communicate what a loss of warranty and features, plus wear and tear are worth to me. If that doesn't line up with a seller's perception of value then that's life. If they have a number in mind and why, they can communicate that to me as well and see where I land.

I am mostly being devil's advocate. As I price my stuff using about the same criteria you use when making offers. I am not a greedy person/Ferengi. I usually sell my stuff at prices where there is enough meat left on the bones for resell at a profit.

- Understood and this discussion isn't intended to be a value judgement of you as a seller. You know the worth of your products, and you shop for the right buyer. Same in inverse.

I hope you find your altruistic seller. You are missing out by shopping Ebay. For sale/trade forums are where the consistently best deals are found. 1000s of reputable Heatware traders that do not misrepresent what they sell.

- I hope I don't find an altruistic seller. I'm not looking for anyone's charity. I'm looking for someone who values their time like money and is happy to sell a product at an agreeable price for the guarantee of a sale quickly. Someone who wants to move their merch quick and accepts that there is a cost associated with selling quick vs the time it would take to get market or above market pricing for their product.

I'm always open to a negotiation and if someone came back at my "lowball" with something I'm willing to accept then that's fine by me.