Question are video card prices headed down yet?

[dlerious]

Mainly cost. Both cards would perform right around the same out of the box but the 5700 XT is ~ $100 cheaper than any other 6600 XT.

Plus I am partial to the 5700, for a number of reasons. I understand its slightly dated now. However, I can still get reasonable framerates (like 110FPS+) with most graphic settings maxed out on brand new/more recent games.

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Where can you get a new 5700XT for $200? Last I checked, the 6600 XT was about 10% faster.
Here's the 6600XT for $300 (5700XT I found were around $340)

Are you a human?

www.newegg.com

 

[igor_kavinski]

Though I have not seen any VR benchmarks from the 7900 cards.

Here: https://babeltechreviews.com/hellhound-rx-7900-xtx-vs-rtx-4080-50-games-vr/5/

 

[Stuka87]

Here: https://babeltechreviews.com/hellhound-rx-7900-xtx-vs-rtx-4080-50-games-vr/5/

So, if VR matters, the 4080 is the better option.

 

[moonbogg]

So, if VR matters, the 4080 is the better option.

I figured as much. That's AMD graphics for you. Budget brand with plenty of compromises, except this time it's not budget at all. They cost $1000 lol.

 

[lopri]

Nevertheless, with the way is going, I have decided not to give a dime of my money to NV. So it's either going to be AMD or Intel for my video cards from here on, until something changes. If their GPUs suck, then I will simply skip. I can live without an overpriced video card.

 

[mastertech01]

I started buying camera equipment again. Hell I can get a fantastic Canon pro camera used and a couple nice lenses for what a damned used premium video card costs right now. I guess I will just let the miners eat them this spring.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I guess I will just let the miners eat them this spring.

I kid you not, there's still n00b miner FOMO at work, there's someone new every week on the NiceHash reddit, asking what cards to buy for mining, or what coins to mine with the cards that they just bought.

And there have been profitable periods among new PoW coins.


Edit: case in point:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NiceHash/comments/zrxfke

 

[mastertech01]

I kid you not, there's still n00b miner FOMO at work, there's someone new every week on the NiceHash reddit, asking what cards to buy for mining, or what coins to mine with the cards that they just bought.

And there have been profitable periods among new PoW coins.

I am sure there are plenty of people just more than happy to sell them a mining rig and all the advice they can offer before they disappear.

 

[DooKey]

I started buying camera equipment again. Hell I can get a fantastic Canon pro camera used and a couple nice lenses for what a damned used premium video card costs right now. I guess I will just let the miners eat them this spring.

It's all about what hobby is important to you. Nothing new here.

 

[DooKey]

I figured as much. That's AMD graphics for you. Budget brand with plenty of compromises, except this time it's not budget at all. They cost $1000 lol.

Sucks to be a poor. Or it sucks to have more important hobbies. Stuff happens. Probably should stick to controllers and PS5 or Xbox.

 

[mastertech01]

It also sucks to be so wealthy you dont know better.

 

[Heartbreaker]

I kid you not, there's still n00b miner FOMO at work, there's someone new every week on the NiceHash reddit, asking what cards to buy for mining, or what coins to mine with the cards that they just bought.

And there have been profitable periods among new PoW coins.


Edit: case in point:

https://www.reddit.com/r/NiceHash/comments/zrxfke

Sure, you might be able to make $3 or $4 on some obscure alt coin before anyone else notices, and then search for weeks to make another $3 or $4...

This isn't having any effect on GPU prices.

 

[VirtualLarry]

This isn't having any effect on GPU prices.

Then WTF is? SOMETHING is. Nothing seems to make sense in the GPU market WRT pricing.

Walmart had disc PS5 units with a controller and game for $549 during Cyber Monday online. So demand from gamers can't be driving prices too high. I don't see huge amounts of scalping going on either. (Witness the 4080 scalping attempts going bust.)

 

[maddie]

Then WTF is? SOMETHING is. Nothing seems to make sense in the GPU market WRT pricing.

Walmart had disc PS5 units with a controller and game for $549 during Cyber Monday online. So demand from gamers can't be driving prices too high. I don't see huge amounts of scalping going on either. (Witness the 4080 scalping attempts going bust.)

Ever had someone refusing jobs that paid less than they thought they were worth even though they were broke and desperately needed cash? All these companies were programmed in the pandemic period to expect a certain reality that died a little while ago. Producers and retailers all, they just haven't caught up yet. Remember how some here keep expecting the money printing/zero interest recent past to return any minute now?

The world has changed and yes, this time, it really is different. We all need to read more widely, especially in today's world. Try the twitter reveals as an example of why. My prediction from months ago stands, companies will be forced to drop margins as 2023 develops.

 

[Shmee]

I think the 7900XTX might be being scalped. There sure aren't any available on newegg or amazon.

 

[biostud]

I think the 7900XTX might be being scalped. There sure aren't any available on newegg or amazon.

The rumors says the launch volume was relative low.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Sucks to be a poor. Or it sucks to have more important hobbies. Stuff happens. Probably should stick to controllers and PS5 or Xbox.

For a hobby, PCs/gaming is actually a pretty cheap one. Even with overpriced graphics cards. You can spend -a lot- more on a hobby easily.

It also sucks to be so wealthy you dont know better.

Just a different set of problems. Neither is easy.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

For a hobby, PCs/gaming is actually a pretty cheap one. Even with overpriced graphics cards. You can spend -a lot- more on a hobby easily.

I don't know anyone IRL with a hobby that is as inexpensive as my PC hobby. Boats, cars, motorcycles, guns, extravagant vacationing. I am certain some here dine out so often it is a hobby. Or if not, know others that do. Hell, I spent more every year on MMA gyms, and the medical expenses incurred, than I ever will on PC parts. About the only hobby I have cheaper than this one, is surfing. And that's only because once you have a quiver built up, you can use them for decades. Even then I have a friend that collects classic longboards. I assure you that ain't cheap.

Yeah, all this belly aching is melodrama. I could happily game, indefinitely, on a Ryzen APU if that's all I could afford. Most of the complaints also lack any sense of history. I was looking at a sales flyer from Best Buy from 1998 and there were video games that cost $69.99. I paid a couple of grand for my first Packard Bell Pentium PC. After Amiga stopped getting any relevant game releases. PC parts were uber expensive back then in adjusted dollars. Most parts are cheaper using that metric. The first 1GHz CPUs were $1000, now you can get a 16 core CPU for significantly less even without factoring inflation. Don't get me started on ram. The collusion that went on for years, and the prices we paid was literally criminal. Storage keeps getting cheaper and faster. Mainboards and GPUs are the parts significantly climbing in price now every gen.

If that is too much money for you, bail out, or better yet join the ultra budget PC gaming scene. After a week or two, you will forget what you were complaining about. I'd tell some of you to go outside and commune with nature, since some of these posts read like they are from basement dwellers. But where many live, doing that at the moment would leave you like this -

 

[Aapje]

Then WTF is? SOMETHING is. Nothing seems to make sense in the GPU market WRT pricing.

Jensen and Su are just as delusional as a person asking $1500 for a used 3080 because they once paid $1800 for it. Then when no seller comes they refuse to lower the price because they "know what it is worth!" and they "won't accept lowball offers!" The difference is that an individual can remain delusional forever, but Nvidia and AMD have shareholders that will force some sanity into them eventually.

AMD's pricing might even make some sense if they think that they can make huge driver gains and the 7900 XTX will end up performing close or at least much closer to a 4090 in raster. It could also be good marketing if they bring out a respin, since they can make a $1200 7950 XTX that performs 25% better than the $999 7900 XTX seem relatively cheap, getting good reviews/PR. Then they can later lower the price of the 7900 XTX for another round of good PR or outright get rid of it.

I think that as consumers, it is important to have a little patience. In a few months or a little longer, we'll know if AMD can get significant gains from improving their drivers, and we'll see how well these cards are truly selling after the initial rush is over and after the holiday period ends, where many people make dumb purchases. I see the current situation as temporary. Not sure whether we will see good prices, but decent prices seem inevitable, because I foresee a lot of gamers just sticking it out otherwise.

Walmart had disc PS5 units with a controller and game for $549 during Cyber Monday online. So demand from gamers can't be driving prices too high. I don't see huge amounts of scalping going on either.

Availability has been getting much better since the last few months, but there is still a lot of pent-up demand. It is still not possible to buy a PS5 for MSRP over here. Sony seems to think that they can meet demand much better in 2023, which will also provide more competition for PC gaming.

I foresee a gradual normalization where prices will gradually get better as availability of components and materials gets much better, TSMC has to lower prices for new orders so their capacity actually gets filled, transport costs go down and in general it becomes a buyer's market where all kinds of fat needs to be cut. Right now we are still in a transitory period.

 

[Heartbreaker]

Then WTF is? SOMETHING is. Nothing seems to make sense in the GPU market WRT pricing.

Walmart had disc PS5 units with a controller and game for $549 during Cyber Monday online. So demand from gamers can't be driving prices too high. I don't see huge amounts of scalping going on either. (Witness the 4080 scalping attempts going bust.)

What are you seeing about GPU pricing that you don't understand?

If suppliers/manufacturers consider sales adequate, they won't be motivated to lower prices, plus you can see cases where they did lower prices, to move product, and cases where they didn't and they are languishing on shelves, neither of these would happen if mining nonsense was still in effect. Plus scalping is happening on the Halo card.

Three cases to consider:

Case #1 Lowering prices where manufacturer is motivated to move product (If Mining was having an effect, this price cut would be unnecessary):

• NVidia did do large price drops on 3090 and 3090 ti because they were motivated to move those, and they did move well.

Case #2 Some scalping is evident, if scalping is happening obviously they won't lower prices

• 4090's sold out at regular prices, and are being scalped, so no need to do anything there. This just seems like a desirable gaming/productivity card, unlikely it's being bought by miners.

Case #3 Slow selling cards. If the price was being propped up by mining they wouldn't be selling slow, and in stock everywhere. This is just the supplier and manufacturer, refusing to drop prices and living with slow sales, for now.

• 4080 is selling slow is the obvious example. NVidia may simply decide to switch these chips to laptop usage rather than lower prices. Again, cards not selling and being in stock is clear counter evidence against mining having any impact on this.

 

[Ajay]

Jensen and Su are just as delusional as a person asking $1500 for a used 3080 because they once paid $1800 for it. Then when no seller comes they refuse to lower the price because they "know what it is worth!" and they "won't accept lowball offers!" The difference is that an individual can remain delusional forever, but Nvidia and AMD have shareholders that will force some sanity into them eventually.

LOL NO! These two are extremely bright people. The also have many bright people working for them. They have carefully priced their products to maximize profits within whatever constraints are at play. If they need to adjust pricing, they will. But not after soaking early adopters for all they can get (as per usual). The shareholders car much more about profits than sales. AMD, in particular at the moment, is wafer constrained, so producing more server CPUs is likely more profitable for them than making GPUs. They came up short of gamer's expectations this time around, and sales are suffering (at least for RDNA3). They will adapt.

 

[DrMrLordX]

They came up short of gamer's expectations this time around, and sales are suffering (at least for RDNA3). They will adapt.

They sold out of the 7900XTX within like . . . 5 minutes. I don't think sales are suffering for that product line.

 

[Aapje]

LOL NO! These two are extremely bright people. The also have many bright people working for them.

Lisa Su might be somewhat bright (depending on what they plan to do in the next 6 months), but Jensen/Nvidia sure isn't.

Nvidia is so bright that they didn't see the crypto crash coming even though it was like standing on the railway tracks in flat open terrain, while you could see the train coming from miles away and it blowing its horn, but then still refusing to get out of the way. All the data was out there and it was just a matter of keeping an eye on things, which merely took a small part of the working day of a single person. I know, because I did. Yet they clearly didn't.

Nvidia is also so bright with their pricing that they didn't have to unlaunch the 4080 12 GB and the 16 GB version is selling real well. Oh wait.

AMD, in particular at the moment, is wafer constrained, so producing more server CPUs is likely more profitable for them than making GPUs.

I don't think that this will be a problem for long, if it isn't solved already. The disastrous AM5 launch is doing its part and the experts foresee stagnation in server sales.

All the signs are that the industry is expecting a longer-term downturn in demand, with companies cutting staff and reducing their expansion plans. Denial isn't going to work for them here.

@DrMrLordX

Day 1 sales of GPUs are mostly meaningless. They need to sell these things for 2 years. The fanboys and other weirdos who buy on day 1 aren't the difficult customers that demand truly good value. Without crypto, they need to sell to the difficult customers as well to shift sufficient quantity.

 

[Insert_Nickname]

They sold out of the 7900XTX within like . . . 5 minutes. I don't think sales are suffering for that product line.

Wasn't there something like 200.000 units of 7900-series available for launch? Selling out those already is pretty well done in my book.

 

[Ajay]

They sold out of the 7900XTX within like . . . 5 minutes. I don't think sales are suffering for that product line.

IIRC AMD's market share is in the tank. Is that not so?