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Are unknown poker players going to keep winning the WSOP main event?

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The field for the main event is now so large that it is understandable that pros won't be able to win every single year. But a pro has not won since Carlos Mortensen won in 2001. And this year's final table is once again chock-full of unknown internet players. Are poker "pros" becoming a myth?
 
Originally posted by: bananapeel42
Show me five "pro's" with 11 bracelets.... jeese.
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The point I am making is those that know what they are doing and eventually become pro is they will win more then just one over their career.

How else do you think people become know as a pro over time?
 
Originally posted by: Newbian
Originally posted by: bananapeel42
Show me five "pro's" with 11 bracelets.... jeese.
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The point I am making is those that know what they are doing and eventually become pro is they will win more then just one over their career.

How else do you think people become know as a pro over time?
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going pro means you are going to earn you living playing cards not win. There is a difference.

As far as the past pros winning 11 bracelets I would probably venture out on a limb and say that will never happen again and would probably be impossible to repeat with the current state of poker.

As Doyle Brunson once said " what took me a lifetime to learn can know be learned in a few years " with the amount of hands that can be played online, books, games, tv etc.

It is just like how Richard Petty won all of the Nascar races. His feats could never happen in modern racing with the technological and learned advances.

Most pros know that the odds of avoiding a bad beat in a field of 8+ thousand is almost impossible even if they play perfect poker.

Too win the World Series you need some skill but a whole lot of luck. Case in point Jamie Gold. At no time could he beat every pro and most upper level non pros over an extended period.

He just got a dream run of hands that even a novice couldn't have lost with.



 
A lot of people - even unkowns - have game. The field is huge. Luck is a factor. Given those 3 things I think it's nigh impossible to expect to see the Phil Iveys, Helmuths, Chans, and the rest of the big name pros at the final table every year.
 
Originally posted by: hungfarover
A lot of people - even unkowns - have game. The field is huge. Luck is a factor. Given those 3 things I think it's nigh impossible to expect to see the Phil Iveys, Helmuths, Chans, and the rest of the big name pros at the final table every year.
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QFT. In Poker, pro players doesn't have that much advantage over a good amature player. Winning in poker is about making good decisions but even the best decision leads to bad beat. It only takes 1 beat to knock you out of the tournament.
 
You always see the pros get pretty far in the tournament (top 100), they know how to survive, but towards the end you gotta start making your move and risking more chips means risking your tournament life, bad beats and calls are a part of the game.
 
Originally posted by: Random Variable
The field for the main event is now so large that it is understandable that pros won't be able to win every single year. But a pro has not won since Carlos Mortensen won in 2001. And this year's final table is once again chock-full of unknown internet players. Are poker "pros" becoming a myth?
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No they aren't a myth, why would you say that? As for the topic question, simple math, feel free to pm someone if you need help figuring it out.

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WaTaGuMp beat me to my second point.
 
On a note, Mike Matusow has gone DEEP the last 3 years. Props to that guy, as he is a great player.

He took a sick beat to bust out this year, lol..... figures right?

 
Originally posted by: bananapeel42
On a note, Mike Matusow has gone DEEP the last 3 years. Props to that guy, as he is a great player.

He took a sick beat to bust out this year, lol..... figures right?
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Furthers the point, and what about Helmuth? He went pretty deep too. They are pros for a reason, more often than not they are beating the pants off of amatuers.
 
Most likely. There are a whole lot more unknown players than there are pros so it makes sense that unknown players will keep winning the WSOP.
 
Originally posted by: bananapeel42
On a note, Mike Matusow has gone DEEP the last 3 years. Props to that guy, as he is a great player.

He took a sick beat to bust out this year, lol..... figures right?
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thats what she said.
 
no they're not pros, if you take a good online player who makes a living playing on pokerstars and put him in a heads up game against Daniel Negreanu or Phil Ivey they are going to get their asses handed to them 9/10 times if not more. Online players can be good, but they're winning the huge events because there are so many of them entering the tournaments. A good online player could win heads up against a true pro, but it wouldn't be the normal. Daniel is about 500 times better than any on-line player.

It's not hard to win at online poker, people make idiot calls all the time. If you could handle having 5 tables going at once you could make a living playing online at the $20 tables.They showed a guy on the news who plays 6 or 7 tables at the same time and comes out well ahead every day. He would be stomped against Doyle or Hellmuth though.

 
Originally posted by: QueBert
no they're not pros, if you take a good online player who makes a living playing on pokerstars and put him in a heads up game against Daniel Negreanu or Phil Ivey they are going to get their asses handed to them 9/10 times if not more. Online players can be good, but they're winning the huge events because there are so many of them entering the tournaments. A good online player could win heads up against a true pro, but it wouldn't be the normal. Daniel is about 500 times better than any on-line player.

It's not hard to win at online poker, people make idiot calls all the time. If you could handle having 5 tables going at once you could make a living playing online at the $20 tables.They showed a guy on the news who plays 6 or 7 tables at the same time and comes out well ahead every day. He would be stomped against Doyle or Hellmuth though.
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Playing online is easy? You do it, and show me your profitability using a software tracking program. Playing online takes tons of time, and is extremely difficult to win in the long run.

I play at FullTilt (easier to get money in / out than Stars ) and generally 4 table .25/.50 or 50 dollar buy in NL holdem or sometimes .15/.25 which are 25 buy in tables while playing 4 SNG's.

I do that to make money on the side, but in NO way would I try to make a living off of it, even at low stakes, you're going to have wild swings and you'll find strong players even at those small 25 / 50 dollar limits.

 
Originally posted by: bananapeel42
Originally posted by: QueBert
no they're not pros, if you take a good online player who makes a living playing on pokerstars and put him in a heads up game against Daniel Negreanu or Phil Ivey they are going to get their asses handed to them 9/10 times if not more. Online players can be good, but they're winning the huge events because there are so many of them entering the tournaments. A good online player could win heads up against a true pro, but it wouldn't be the normal. Daniel is about 500 times better than any on-line player.

It's not hard to win at online poker, people make idiot calls all the time. If you could handle having 5 tables going at once you could make a living playing online at the $20 tables.They showed a guy on the news who plays 6 or 7 tables at the same time and comes out well ahead every day. He would be stomped against Doyle or Hellmuth though.
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Playing online is easy? You do it, and show me your profitability using a software tracking program. Playing online takes tons of time, and is extremely difficult to win in the long run.

I play at FullTilt (easier to get money in / out than Stars ) and generally 4 table .25/.50 or 50 dollar buy in NL holdem or sometimes .15/.25 which are 25 buy in tables while playing 4 SNG's.

I do that to make money on the side, but in NO way would I try to make a living off of it, even at low stakes, you're going to have wild swings and you'll find strong players even at those small 25 / 50 dollar limits.
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playing online is easy, without trying I can typically make it to the final table when I play on pureplay. 500 person tournaments will be down to 250 in no time, 15 people will go out in the first hand. if you sit back and watch you can make it to where it's down to 50 people without even playing a hand. I don't do cash games online, so I don't know how those go online. Maybe easy isn't the right word, but I win online far easier than I do at any casino when I play tournaments.
 
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: bananapeel42
Originally posted by: QueBert
no they're not pros, if you take a good online player who makes a living playing on pokerstars and put him in a heads up game against Daniel Negreanu or Phil Ivey they are going to get their asses handed to them 9/10 times if not more. Online players can be good, but they're winning the huge events because there are so many of them entering the tournaments. A good online player could win heads up against a true pro, but it wouldn't be the normal. Daniel is about 500 times better than any on-line player.

It's not hard to win at online poker, people make idiot calls all the time. If you could handle having 5 tables going at once you could make a living playing online at the $20 tables.They showed a guy on the news who plays 6 or 7 tables at the same time and comes out well ahead every day. He would be stomped against Doyle or Hellmuth though.
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Playing online is easy? You do it, and show me your profitability using a software tracking program. Playing online takes tons of time, and is extremely difficult to win in the long run.

I play at FullTilt (easier to get money in / out than Stars ) and generally 4 table .25/.50 or 50 dollar buy in NL holdem or sometimes .15/.25 which are 25 buy in tables while playing 4 SNG's.

I do that to make money on the side, but in NO way would I try to make a living off of it, even at low stakes, you're going to have wild swings and you'll find strong players even at those small 25 / 50 dollar limits.
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playing online is easy, without trying I can typically make it to the final table when I play on pureplay. 500 person tournaments will be down to 250 in no time, 15 people will go out in the first hand. if you sit back and watch you can make it to where it's down to 50 people without even playing a hand. I don't do cash games online, so I don't know how those go online. Maybe easy isn't the right word, but I win online far easier than I do at any casino when I play tournaments.
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Cash and freerolls are night and day.
 
Playing online is not hard if you're disciplined. I've seen a friend clean Phil Ivey in a $1000 SnG at Full Tilt. What's the point? There's too much luck in internet poker.
 
Whatever I guess. Yes unknown players will keep winning the WSOP in all likelihood as there are just too many new unknown players every year that added on to the unknowns of the year before.

You saw you friend clean out Ivey in a SNG, wow? Who fucking cares.

There is luck in poker, period, that's why anyone can win.


Yes, it takes discipline among many other things to win in poker, online or not.
 
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