Are Toyotas really boring to drive?

[nerp]

You can get a new full size sedan for the price of a Corolla?

Who said anything about cost? You mentioned smooth ride. There are smoother.

 

[nerp]

And so was the supra. One 80's car hardly changes the brand.

You can buy a 2013 Buick Regal Turbo.

 

[dbk]

Yes, but they sure are comfortable and QUIET! We have an Accord and a Camry and I prefer the Camry. Accord, like typical Honda, wears me out on long trips! Camry is boring as hell, though (in every possible way).

 

[exdeath]

If you're doing it right, street driving should be boring. Excitement can end badly.

An on ramp is a terrible thing to waste.

 

[brainhulk]

My prius c is actually exciting headed into on ramps. It's super light weight so you can really toss it into the corner and maintain good speed. Then it's back to reality when I hit the straight...lol

I think I've pissed off a couple of sports cars with my late braking and speed I can carry into an on ramp

 

[WilliamM2]

Who said anything about cost? You mentioned smooth ride. There are smoother.

I never mentioned anything. The post YOU quoted mentioned cost:

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Originally Posted by Vetterin
Boring?............probably, but I would venture to say that for the price you will be hard pressed to find a more smooth riding car than a Corolla.

Umm, have you driven any new full size sedans latley?

He clearly said "for the price".

 

[tweakmonkey]

Most boring brand imo. My brother's 5-speed Hyundai accent is way more fun than my mom's corolla. But it's an auto. I've extensively driven rav4s, 4runners, Avalon, Camry, corolla and my modded 01 mr2 spyder. They all are boring as hell compared to any Honda in the same ranks. My Spyder is obviously a lot of fun, sitting on R888s and nimble as good be. But the engine is extremely boring compared to the S2000 or Civic Si, and I'm guessing Integra GSRs of past etc. The clutch feels like my ex-gf's Corolla and transmission is on par with the Hyundai. Zzzz. Even the seats suck. Toyota engineers boring engines that last forever.

 

[jlee]

Most boring brand imo. My brother's 5-speed Hyundai accent is way more fun than my mom's corolla. But it's an auto. I've extensively driven rav4s, 4runners, Avalon, Camry, corolla and my modded 01 mr2 spyder. They all are boring as hell compared to any Honda in the same ranks. My Spyder is obviously a lot of fun, sitting on R888s and nimble as good be. But the engine is extremely boring compared to the S2000 or Civic Si, and I'm guessing Integra GSRs of past etc. The clutch feels like my ex-gf's Corolla and transmission is on par with the Hyundai. Zzzz. Even the seats suck. Toyota engineers boring engines that last forever.

That's because you bought the wrong MR2.

 

[nerp]

I never mentioned anything. The post YOU quoted mentioned cost:

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He clearly said "for the price".

You got me on that detail. But I've driven a few corollas and they're not that smooth. The Chrysler 200, for example, is a hell of a lot 'smoother' but it does cost a few bucks more.

 

[CraigRT]

Short answer yes...
For the mainstream cars they are absolutely boring.
The Corolla is literally one of the worst cars to drive, that I have ever driven. And it is easily the worst vehicle in it's class this day and age. Some years ago it was another story.

 

[Vetterin]

Boring?............probably, but I would venture to say that for the price you will be hard pressed to find a more smooth riding car than a Corolla.

Umm, have you driven any new full size sedans latley?

Umm...........with the price of the Corolla?.....NO!

 

[pauldun170]

My Camry is boring.
Until I hit a set of corners...
Weak suspension + manual transmission + plain old all weather tires on a twisty road is not "boring". I dare anyone to take my car through the same set of twisties I take my bike through and call it boring. You might get nauseous though, suspension isn't exactly "composed" when you are diving into a corner. The steering isn't exactly talkative but a lot of "not boring" cars I've driven lately are fairly numb too.

Situations where my car is boring is the same for just about every other car.
An automatic equipped BMW M3\Porsche\Vette\Stang\Camaro\GTI\ driven day to day in the same gridlock\highway typical suburban\urban American road is boring to me.

So yup its boring. Its an appliance.
However since I can have fun with just about any POS with a manual transmission and good gearing I don't give a rats ass.

 

[tweakmonkey]

That's because you bought the wrong MR2.

You mean the lightest and smallest one? that's why I wanted it precisely. I've had turbo cars and driven enough to prefer na now... I think the s2000 engine is probably 10x more exciting than a second gen mr2. No offense intended, I've always loved the way the second gen looks. Just don't want a 20 year old turbo car.

 

[dbk]

My Camry is boring.
Until I hit a set of corners...
Weak suspension + manual transmission + plain old all weather tires on a twisty road is not "boring". I dare anyone to take my car through the same set of twisties I take my bike through and call it boring. You might get nauseous though, suspension isn't exactly "composed" when you are diving into a corner. The steering isn't exactly talkative but a lot of "not boring" cars I've driven lately are fairly numb too.

Situations where my car is boring is the same for just about every other car.
An automatic equipped BMW M3\Porsche\Vette\Stang\Camaro\GTI\ driven day to day in the same gridlock\highway typical suburban\urban American road is boring to me.

So yup its boring. Its an appliance.
However since I can have fun with just about any POS with a manual transmission and good gearing I don't give a rats ass.

:biggrin: :thumbsup:

 

[jlee]

You mean the lightest and smallest one? that's why I wanted it precisely. I've had turbo cars and driven enough to prefer na now... I think the s2000 engine is probably 10x more exciting than a second gen mr2. No offense intended, I've always loved the way the second gen looks. Just don't want a 20 year old turbo car.

What shitty turbo cars have you had where you prefer a 135hp Corolla engine in your sports cars?

"Probably 10x more exciting"? Perhaps to some, but it doesn't sound nearly as good...and doesn't have any power either, really. Course I don't drive stock turbo cars...

 

[tweakmonkey]

Sound is subjective but I think most would agree there's a lot better cars than mr2 turbo for exhaust note.

I'd rather have a 10 year newer, great little chassis / 600 lbs lighter mr2 with a corolla engine. Considering where and how i drive it. The engine sucks in the mr-s but it's the only choice for that package so I guess I was stuck. Also I paid $3700 for it with a bad clutch, changed to a lightweight flywheel and had a good car for $4200. I'd have a pretty nasty and much older second gen for that price. My main reason for buying it was weight though and wouldn't want such an old one. I had a turbo 1g talon awd with a 16g and a bunch of bolt ons, it ran 12.9 and was totally reliable, but that was back in the 90s. I would feel silly driving most 90s cars now.

If I wanted a great mid engine car I'd get an nsx (and will within a year), or a lotus Elise if I wanted something as dinky and even more fragile than my mr2. Too bad the Elise has a 2zz

 

[jlee]

Sound is subjective but I think most would agree there's a lot better cars than mr2 turbo for exhaust note.

I'd rather have a 10 year newer, great little chassis / 600 lbs lighter mr2 with a corolla engine. Considering where and how i drive it. The engine sucks in the mr-s but it's the only choice for that package so I guess I was stuck. Also I paid $3700 for it with a bad clutch, changed to a lightweight flywheel and had a good car for $4200. I'd have a pretty nasty and much older second gen for that price. My main reason for buying it was weight though and wouldn't want such an old one. I had a turbo 1g talon awd with a 16g and a bunch of bolt ons, it ran 12.9 and was totally reliable, but that was back in the 90s. I would feel silly driving most 90s cars now.

If I wanted a great mid engine car I'd get an nsx (and will within a year), or a lotus Elise if I wanted something as dinky and even more fragile than my mr2. Too bad the Elise has a 2zz

Personal preference. I'll take 600lbs and an additional 300rwhp.

I used to own a Mk1 and have autocrossed a Spyder - they're both great cars. I've also owned Mk2s (and raced them, drag and road course endurance) and they are by far my favorite. To each his own, I suppose.

When you get the NSX, look me up and we'll hit a track.

 

[tweakmonkey]

Jlee, I think older Mr2s were the golden era of toyota's cool cars. Now they seem much more focused on bland cars, that's all I'm agreeing with in this thread. Luckily scion/Lexus sub-brands are still producing more tolerable cars. Most brands have gone so much toward cushy electronically assisted garbage these days that it makes me shudder. I miss the glory days of Porsche, BMW and Honda, but know it's inevitable that cars will become safer / quieter and boring, and I think nowadays Toyota leads the race.

 

[tweakmonkey]

Sure thing man although ill use my other cars for track, I prefer the nsx on sweepy backroads from 50-100 mph. /drool. Drove my friend's bolt-on 91 also with fresh r888s for 4 hours on some of the great backroads out here in coastal ca... What a great experience

 

[JulesMaximus]

Sound is subjective but I think most would agree there's a lot better cars than mr2 turbo for exhaust note.

I'd rather have a 10 year newer, great little chassis / 600 lbs lighter mr2 with a corolla engine. Considering where and how i drive it. The engine sucks in the mr-s but it's the only choice for that package so I guess I was stuck. Also I paid $3700 for it with a bad clutch, changed to a lightweight flywheel and had a good car for $4200. I'd have a pretty nasty and much older second gen for that price. My main reason for buying it was weight though and wouldn't want such an old one. I had a turbo 1g talon awd with a 16g and a bunch of bolt ons, it ran 12.9 and was totally reliable, but that was back in the 90s. I would feel silly driving most 90s cars now.

If I wanted a great mid engine car I'd get an nsx (and will within a year), or a lotus Elise if I wanted something as dinky and even more fragile than my mr2. Too bad the Elise has a 2zz

Have you driven a Lotus Elise? I haven't heard of them being fragile at all and it has plenty of power IMO.

 

[tweakmonkey]

Yes.

And by fragile I mean the whole car not the engine. The front and rear clamshells are huge and one tiny bump will crack half the car. You can patch it right up though. Also I mean the whole car feels like a tin can, it's great don't get me wrong!

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

We have a Camry. Compared to my Suzuki Swift and my old Toyota Corona it's like driving a mad rhino. Steering's dull as a brick but the brake and accelerators are way too sensitive.