Are these PS3 videos REAL TIME or Pre-Render???

[fishbits]

After reading that IGN link, and the comments in the IGN forum, I really dont know if its pre rendered or real time.

Not going to lose any sleep over it. Will just look up at the screen at Walmart or where ever the actual unit is on display. Will read reviews from trusted sources a month or so after it comes out, because gaming reviewers have a tendency to succumb to hype for something they've been anticipating for a while. I'm sure we all remember glowing previews/reviews for certain products, only to read the same reviewers a month or so later casually say "Of course (product) was somewhat of a letdown," as if they'd told us that the first time out.

Folks, we're not going to solve any of the big questions for months, it's all just speculation. My speculation? If you like console gaming and if the 360/PS3 debut for sub-$500, you're going to get a heck of a console with impressive power and capabilities. Both will have some great titles released. It won't be like you get it home to find out it can only do Pong. If you're only going to get one and you're going to pre-order it, then fine, one might be the better buy than the other and you might get burned (probably just singed). Best bet? Just look at the damn thing with your own eyes!

 

[Insomniak]

Originally posted by: Powered by AMD
After reading that IGN link, and the comments in the IGN forum, I really dont know if its pre rendered or real time.
there is no confirmation....
Has anyone saw this game being played real time on the PS3? (on the only one that is in the E3?)

It's pre-rendered. Believe me, if it was real-time, they'd be trumpeting it from the rooftops, like Epic has been with their demonstrations of UT 2007 and Gears of War, because their stuff looks that good and IS realtime.

The fact that Guerilla won't confirm is proof of guilt.


A Buddy of mine on another forum put it best:

Originally posted by: Grimlock
Ok shall we go through it then? Ok.

First let's look at the developer.

Gorilla. Previous games? Oh right, Killzone. A rather lack luster FPS released less than a year ago on the PS2.

A new developer with one rather poor title to their name and no real standing in the industry.

Now lets look at the KZ2 trailer as if it were ingame which it isn't ok?

Right.

This unknown rag tag group of industry low levels have someone managed to create the most detailed, high poly pushing game engine ever. An engine so superior that it has a particle engine that puts WETA to shame.

Hmm OK! This awsome engine has totally come out of the blue and has been developed in about a year? YEAH OK!

Also btw this ground breaking amazing engine hasn't been licensed to any companies yet even though it's clearly more advanced than anything else avilable or upcoming. YEAH OK!

Despite being an incredibly polished game 'demo' the game lacks even the simplest thing like...oooh I don't know A CROSSHAIR OR A HUD. YEAH OK!

The 'game' also shows someone who obviouslly knows exactlly where every enemy is going to be without actually looking round, he also seems to know how to shoot every enemy just right to trigger off the torrent of scripted sequences. The player also manages to catch every cool little thing making sure that no one misses anything. YEAH OK!

 

[firerock]

Even Gorilla confirmed that the demo we saw at Sony news conference is a conceptual design. That means, the result is what they intended to be, the style, graphic, reaction...etc and they are rendered/generated by the spec that Sony provided to them. http://ps3.ign.com/articles/616/616591p1.html

This is his direct quote: "Yeah, it's basically a representation of the look and feel of the game we're trying to make."

 

[igowerf]

Take a look at this UT2007 video on PS3:
http://media.ps2.gamespy.com/media/748/748505/vids_1.html

The second video shows that it's not prerendered. It's not as impressive as the Killzone 2 video, but it's still pretty sweet.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: firerock
This is his direct quote: "Yeah, it's basically a representation of the look and feel of the game we're trying to make."

Which was so vague that they got all the IGN staff to discuss just what it meant.

The UT demo was completely choreographed too, but it wasn't pre-rendered. Looked just as good, so who knows?

I'll stand by what I've said so far. Whether real-time or pre-rendered, that is the level of graphics the PS3 is capable of. The game either already looks that good, or can.

 

[Sniper82]

Yeah by the time PS3 comes(I'm guessing holiday of 2006 for US) Nvidia and ATI will have 2-3 new video card chipsets release and Intel/AMD should at least have newer stuff out aswell.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: ^Sniper^
Yeah by the time PS3 comes(I'm guessing holiday of 2006 for US) Nvidia and ATI will have 2-3 new video card chipsets release and Intel/AMD should at least have newer stuff out aswell.

Xbox 360 comes out this year's holiday's, PS3 I believe is in the spring. We'll be lucky to see one new generation of cards, certainly not 2-3 😕

 

[Sniper82]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: ^Sniper^
Yeah by the time PS3 comes(I'm guessing holiday of 2006 for US) Nvidia and ATI will have 2-3 new video card chipsets release and Intel/AMD should at least have newer stuff out aswell.

Xbox 360 comes out this year's holiday's, PS3 I believe is in the spring. We'll be lucky to see one new generation of cards, certainly not 2-3 😕

I think we'll see 1 release by the time Xbox comes and as for the PS3 coming out. I think it will be released in Japan Spring of 2006 but not till the Holidays of 2006(just a guess) in the US which by then we they should at least have 2 releases by then. But that if Nvidia and ATI doesn't slack off.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: ^Sniper^

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: ^Sniper^
Yeah by the time PS3 comes(I'm guessing holiday of 2006 for US) Nvidia and ATI will have 2-3 new video card chipsets release and Intel/AMD should at least have newer stuff out aswell.

Xbox 360 comes out this year's holiday's, PS3 I believe is in the spring. We'll be lucky to see one new generation of cards, certainly not 2-3 😕

I think we'll see 1 release by the time Xbox comes and as for the PS3 coming out. I think it will be released in Japan Spring of 2006 but not till the Holidays of 2006(just a guess) in the US which by then we they should at least have 2 releases by then. But that if Nvidia and ATI doesn't slack off.

We are coming on a year already for current gen cards, what makes you think we'll have 3 more generations by this time next year? 😕

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: ^Sniper^

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: ^Sniper^
Yeah by the time PS3 comes(I'm guessing holiday of 2006 for US) Nvidia and ATI will have 2-3 new video card chipsets release and Intel/AMD should at least have newer stuff out aswell.

Xbox 360 comes out this year's holiday's, PS3 I believe is in the spring. We'll be lucky to see one new generation of cards, certainly not 2-3 😕

I think we'll see 1 release by the time Xbox comes and as for the PS3 coming out. I think it will be released in Japan Spring of 2006 but not till the Holidays of 2006(just a guess) in the US which by then we they should at least have 2 releases by then. But that if Nvidia and ATI doesn't slack off.

We are coming on a year already for current gen cards, what makes you think we'll have 3 more generations by this time next year? 😕

We'll have the new ATI and nVidia cards by the time 360 hits, and refreshes to that line by the time PS3 hits.

 

[Sniper82]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: ^Sniper^

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: ^Sniper^
Yeah by the time PS3 comes(I'm guessing holiday of 2006 for US) Nvidia and ATI will have 2-3 new video card chipsets release and Intel/AMD should at least have newer stuff out aswell.

Xbox 360 comes out this year's holiday's, PS3 I believe is in the spring. We'll be lucky to see one new generation of cards, certainly not 2-3 😕

I think we'll see 1 release by the time Xbox comes and as for the PS3 coming out. I think it will be released in Japan Spring of 2006 but not till the Holidays of 2006(just a guess) in the US which by then we they should at least have 2 releases by then. But that if Nvidia and ATI doesn't slack off.

We are coming on a year already for current gen cards, what makes you think we'll have 3 more generations by this time next year? 😕

When I said they should have 2 released by Holiday of 2006 I meant 2 altogether including the 1 that should be released by the end of this year. If they really wanted to work hard I think we could see up to 3 new video chipsets by holiday of next year. Not by the time PS3 comes out in Japan(in roughly about a year from now). If Sony does what it did with PS2 which from the looks of it they are. PS3 in March of 2006 for Jap and Oct 2006 for US.

But personally I would love to see all 3 systems released this year. But I don't see it happening.

 

[fishbits]

If they really wanted to work hard I think we could see up to 3 new video chipsets by holiday of next year.

They work hard already, competition sees to that. But why would ATI or Nvidia spend their efforts trying to get 3 generations out in the span of 2 holdiay seasons? You gotta figure that the time spent on the middle one would detract at least a little from the capability of the third one. Then it's going to be harder to get someone to plunk down the money for the new powerhouse when they know another one is just six months away, not to mention Summer being slower for such purchases. It would also eat into the money they could recoup from the previous generation, because the early launch of a new one would push prev gen prices down.

I get what you're saying, it technically could be done, but I think everyone involved would lose out in the end.

 

[MobiusPizza]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: jimithing2077

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: abaez

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos
The PS3's processor is like 10x a PC's processor,

That's some real evidence right there.

Don't believe me? Watch the Sony conference at E3, if you can find a public video.

**cough** look 3 posts up **cough**

Of the whole conference. A short demo of a game on the PS3 doesn't tell you how powerful the PS3 is.

Why does no one know of GameSpot?
It's really a good site. Updated on anything

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/action/playstation3hardware/media.html

 

[Sniper82]

Originally posted by: fishbits

If they really wanted to work hard I think we could see up to 3 new video chipsets by holiday of next year.

They work hard already, competition sees to that. But why would ATI or Nvidia spend their efforts trying to get 3 generations out in the span of 2 holdiay seasons? You gotta figure that the time spent on the middle one would detract at least a little from the capability of the third one. Then it's going to be harder to get someone to plunk down the money for the new powerhouse when they know another one is just six months away, not to mention Summer being slower for such purchases. It would also eat into the money they could recoup from the previous generation, because the early launch of a new one would push prev gen prices down.

I get what you're saying, it technically could be done, but I think everyone involved would lose out in the end.

True I know its not likely for them to have 3 released by the end of 2006 thats why I mentioned 2-3 by the time PS3 is here in the US.

 

[computeerrgghh]

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos

Originally posted by: abaez

Originally posted by: KruptosAngelos
The PS3's processor is like 10x a PC's processor,

That's some real evidence right there.

Don't believe me? Watch the Sony conference at E3, if you can find a public video.

easily propaganda... What is it 10x faster in anyway? Adding 1+1 one billion times?
Oh and I made a chip called Sock. Its 20x faster than a PC processor. How do I know? Because I said so!!!

 

[CrowDog]

Holy smokes!... cant wait for this to be a reality!

 

[EpsiIon]

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/38046/

 

[Andvari]

*sigh* I'm a bit disappointed in the knowledgable folk of Anandtech. As someone else mentioned, PCs catch up to consoles, usually rather quickly. And while I don't have a link to confirm what I'm about to say, I'll find one. Sony's latest statements were that they are shooting for a 10 year shelf life for the PS3 (again, come on Anandtech, we all know how fast technology upgrades), and that "they cannot offer the PS3 at a consumer affordable price." =(

Take that to mean what you will, and while you ponder on it, I'll dig up a link.

 

[thesurge]

By the time the xbox360/PS3 comes out, there will be better graphics on the computer. Within a year of the release, WAY better graphics on the computer.

w00t?

 

[linkgoron]

You guys are forgetting that all they had to do in those videos was to render what's in front of the player, that means no AI, no physics,no environment or whatever, only the stuff that's in front of the player. Basically I heard that you can do the same thing with a gamecube or whatever because it's really only graphics and nothing else.

 

[Furyline]

Originally posted by: thesurge
By the time the xbox360/PS3 comes out, there will be better graphics on the computer. Within a year of the release, WAY better graphics on the computer.

w00t?

On a side note, how long until we start seeing "upgrades" for consoles? With technology advancing so quickly, and since people probably won't buy a new console every 2 years, will one company try to upgrade their current gen to give them an advantage? Just wondering, as consoles are becoming more and more like PCs.

 

[NeoV]

didn't I just read on the internet something that said the Killzone demo, in real speed, was only running at something like 6fps, and the video was simply sped up to make it look better?

From everything I've seen/heard, PS3 is a ways off...while Xbox 360 is literally a few months away from being on store shelves..