are there dual core dual cpu opteron's

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TechBoyJK

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I need to build a relatively inexpensive server for an MS SQL database..

I was wondering how dual core's handle database processing, and if there was a dual core + dual cpu opteron solution....

or if you have a better idea... tell me.
 
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Furen

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If you want inexpensive then your best bet is a single dual-core CPU like the socket 939 Opterons. Going quad-core (dual dual-core) will cost you at least $2500 or so, which is not inexpensive unless you mean inexpensive compared to a quad-cpu server.
 
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If you want one with good support and already built, I'd suggest the HP DL385.
Of course that's ~$3000 with just one DC CPU, and another $800 for the second (as Furen said, not cheap). What industry/purpose/environment are you doing this for?
 
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If you want to buy a dual dual-core system but don't want to build it yourself then I'd recommend going to someone like Monarch Computer (basically a smaller OEM, I just recommended Monarch off the top of my head). OEMs like HP, IBM and Sun mark up their dual-core systems quite a lot, since these cannibalize their sales for quad-socket systems, which are much more lucrative. If you do plan on going with one of these bigger OEMs I'd recommend going Sun (but I'm kind of a Sun fanboy, and a sucker for Solaris).
 
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TechBoyJK

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I'm lookin for a dual cpu setup with about 4GB of ram, dual sata in a raid1, dual ps, etc..

all for under $2500. I get a 40% transferrable tax credit as well... so if I spend $10K, the state mails me a tax credit for $4000, of which I can sell to a broker for about $3700, cash. I can spend up to $150K and still get 40% back. software is included..... yay!

the rig needs to be able to hand about 25 queries per second @ peak. about 1 million queries per day. each server will have about 2 database files, each having about 10 tables, and each table having about 1million records with about 15 columns of mixed data......

running MS SQL....

I was hoping dual cpu w/ dual core could handle it. I'd like to refrain from stepping up to the price point of quad cpu hardware.... especially since i think i will be working on a per cpu license.
 
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Dual core CPU's are two physical CPU's, so two dual cores is a quad CPU system and will require four licenses if licensed by CPU I believe. You should be able to build such a system for $4000 or less, and with your tax credit you can probably hit your $2500 budget. The Tyan mobo in ribbons rig is what I would suggest.

I would also suggest going for the cheapest dual core opteron(265) CPU's and upgrading your hard drives to a raid5 SCSII array. With 1mm queries a day harddrive I/O is going to be more important than CPU speed.
 
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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
I'm lookin for a dual cpu setup with about 4GB of ram, dual sata in a raid1, dual ps, etc..

all for under $2500. I get a 40% transferrable tax credit as well... so if I spend $10K, the state mails me a tax credit for $4000, of which I can sell to a broker for about $3700, cash. I can spend up to $150K and still get 40% back. software is included..... yay!

the rig needs to be able to hand about 25 queries per second @ peak. about 1 million queries per day. each server will have about 2 database files, each having about 10 tables, and each table having about 1million records with about 15 columns of mixed data......

running MS SQL....

I was hoping dual cpu w/ dual core could handle it. I'd like to refrain from stepping up to the price point of quad cpu hardware.... especially since i think i will be working on a per cpu license.
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Monarch
2 x Opteron 270 (dual core 2.0 GHz)
4GB PC3200 ECC
2 x Samsung Sata3G 160GB HDD
Raid 1 configured
CDRW
FDD
GeForce 5200
1 year parts & labour
$3084.89
 
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Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Dual core CPU's are two physical CPU's, so two dual cores is a quad CPU system and will require four licenses if licensed by CPU I believe. You should be able to build such a system for $4000 or less, and with your tax credit you can probably hit your $2500 budget. The Tyan mobo in ribbons rig is what I would suggest.

I would also suggest going for the cheapest dual core opteron(265) CPU's and upgrading your hard drives to a raid5 SCSII array. With 1mm queries a day harddrive I/O is going to be more important than CPU speed.
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Microsoft and all major software companies charge per socket, not per core...that's one of the major cost advantages of going multicore on servers.

Edit: Though I think you're quite right about going Raid 5...the extra cost is only about $135...
 
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Originally posted by: Viditor
Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Dual core CPU's are two physical CPU's, so two dual cores is a quad CPU system and will require four licenses if licensed by CPU I believe. You should be able to build such a system for $4000 or less, and with your tax credit you can probably hit your $2500 budget. The Tyan mobo in ribbons rig is what I would suggest.

I would also suggest going for the cheapest dual core opteron(265) CPU's and upgrading your hard drives to a raid5 SCSII array. With 1mm queries a day harddrive I/O is going to be more important than CPU speed.
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Microsoft and all major software companies charge per socket, not per core...that's one of the major cost advantages of going multicore on servers.

Edit: Though I think you're quite right about going Raid 5...the extra cost is only about $135...
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Cool! Didn't know that

 
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I would not use Samsung drives for heavy I/O use, especially if they weren't in RAID5.

Monarch does carry the best drive for the job however, The Western Digital WD4000YR is the sweetest drive I think they have every produced. Review (Be sure to look at page 5)

3 of them in RAID5 would provide 800GB of space and plenty of I/O. If you don't need that much space, get three Western Digital WD740GDs instead, because what your doing is exactly what Raptors were designed for.
 
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TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: ribbon13
I would not use Samsung drives for heavy I/O use, especially if they weren't in RAID5.

Monarch does carry the best drive for the job however, The Western Digital WD4000YR is the sweetest drive I think they have every produced. Review (Be sure to look at page 5)

3 of them in RAID5 would provide 800GB of space and plenty of I/O. If you don't need that much space, get three Western Digital WD740GDs instead, because what your doing is exactly what Raptors were designed for.
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cool.... i think i probably will add a 3rd drive because it adds speed and keeps some kind of fault tolerance... i dont know if i will do scsi though... the sate drives with 16MB buffers look nice.... how much slower are they "truthfully" than scsi?

i could go scsi though, because i could pick up a 70GB raptor for about the same price as a much denser sata drive.. but then I can't take advantage of onboard sata raid....... im trying to keep it cheap... which is why i was thinking sata in raid 1 because many boards have that built in.... otherwise i have to get more expensive scsi drives and a host controller.....

either way... im definately going to be building this myself.... if I can save $500, i will definatley do it... id like to pay less than $2500 cash for everything, then get my tax credit...
 
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Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
either way... im definately going to be building this myself.... if I can save $500, i will definatley do it... id like to pay less than $2500 cash for everything, then get my tax credit...
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Don't think you will be able to keep it under $2500 before the tax credit

Just the TYAN motherboard and 2 opteron 265 (the cheapest multi socket dual core) will run around $2000, that only leaves $500 for 4gb ECC ram, harddrives, PS, case, OS, etc.... not gonna happen. If you truly want to keep it under $2500 you need to be looking at a single d/c opteron or an X2 system
 
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TechBoyJK

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Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
Originally posted by: TechBoyJK
either way... im definately going to be building this myself.... if I can save $500, i will definatley do it... id like to pay less than $2500 cash for everything, then get my tax credit...
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Don't think you will be able to keep it under $2500 before the tax credit

Just the TYAN motherboard and 2 opteron 265 (the cheapest multi socket dual core) will run around $2000, that only leaves $500 for 4gb ECC ram, harddrives, PS, case, OS, etc.... not gonna happen
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well, im going to try... purchase won't be for another 90 days... so maybe i can gain 10% on the price...

 
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reviving this thread

are there any dual cpu, dual core mobo's that are good w/ overclocking?
maybe 2 opteron 265's overclocked to 2.6-2.8ghz on air in a 1U chassis?
 
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Originally posted by: ribbon13
My signature workstation is Dual Opteron 280s on a Tyan K8WE
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ribbon13 that is one wicked machine - Ultra 320 Cheetah 15K.4s' and Dual Opteron 280 + 4GBs' of RAM! Sweet...
 
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