Are there any truly collectable Japanese cars?

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TuffGuy

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Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: rbloedow
Originally posted by: Frdm51472
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its simply age, 60's cars were american cars. when caddies were tops, not like now where caddies barely have any prestige anymore.

According to who? I would take a new cadillac over a lexus, infiniti, acura any day of the week.
Based on what? The Japanese simply WIPE the floor with cadillac in every aspect.
Number of Acuras with RWD and a V8: 0

Number of Cadillacs that will still be running 10 years from now? 0
 
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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
I'd say Miatas, Supras, Skylines, Z's and NSX's,

(Reasoning being that the Miata brought back the roadster, the Supra and Skyline are the only true, full blooded Asian sports cars, the Z's are just awesome, and the NSX is an exotic and is therefore collectable by default)

Edit: And the 2000GT. And probably a few others that I'm not familiar with. They do exist.
+ RX-7
 
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Originally posted by: TuffGuy
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: rbloedow
Originally posted by: Frdm51472
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its simply age, 60's cars were american cars. when caddies were tops, not like now where caddies barely have any prestige anymore.

According to who? I would take a new cadillac over a lexus, infiniti, acura any day of the week.
Based on what? The Japanese simply WIPE the floor with cadillac in every aspect.
Number of Acuras with RWD and a V8: 0

Number of Cadillacs that will still be running 10 years from now? 0
Stop the presses, Acura leads Cadillac by 13 problems per 100 vehicles.

What's this? Cadillac beating Acura in the Initial Quality Study?
 

TuffGuy

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Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: TuffGuy
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: rbloedow
Originally posted by: Frdm51472
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its simply age, 60's cars were american cars. when caddies were tops, not like now where caddies barely have any prestige anymore.

According to who? I would take a new cadillac over a lexus, infiniti, acura any day of the week.
Based on what? The Japanese simply WIPE the floor with cadillac in every aspect.
Number of Acuras with RWD and a V8: 0

Number of Cadillacs that will still be running 10 years from now? 0
Stop the presses, Acura leads Cadillac by 13 problems per 100 vehicles.

What's this? Cadillac beating Acura in the Initial Quality Study?

Initial quality means that it hasn't had a chance to break down yet. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Flyermax2k3

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Alright, move over. Let me handle this ;)
Toyota's 2000 GT was the first Japanese "sports car" comparable to what was being offered in America at the time so it is one of the most collectible Japanese cars. Toyota's Supra is also considered a collectible due to its limited production run in America and its uniqueness.
Datsun had several models which could be considered "collectibles" and they include: the 240Z, the 260Z, the 280Z, the 300Z (all versions in fact), and the 510.
Datsun later became Nissan and produced the Skyline and the Fairlady, all models of both are considered collectibles especially in the U.S. due to the fact that none of which are no longer produced, and the Skyline was never sold in the U.S.
Honda has had many, many racing vehicles which would be considered milestones in the Japanese automotive industry. Check out the Honda museum in Japan online and you'll see just how many truly collectible Hondas there are.
Mazda's rotary powered vehicles including the RX7 are all collectibles due to similar circumstances as the Skyline and the Fairlady, as well as the Supra (all the Japanese supercars of the 90's could be considered collectibles due to their rarity).
Mitsubishi's Lancer Evo could be considered a collectible in the U.S. due to the fact that it was never released as a U.S.D.M. model until the Lancer Evo VIII. The 3000GT (especially later models like the '99) are definitely collectibles due to the fact that they had a limited production run their last model year and sold like hot cakes.
Subaru's Impreza (especially WRX/STi models) is a collectible in the U.S. once again due to the fact that it wasn't released in the U.S. as a U.S.D.M. model until just recently utilizing the TAGDA chassis.
I could keep going but I'll spare you all the tedium of reading anymore ;)
 
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Originally posted by: TuffGuy
Initial quality means that it hasn't had a chance to break down yet. Nothing more, nothing less.

reliability RISKS

best finds
Thanks, I'll be sure to avoid the Cadillac Catera, and Seville. Should I be surprised the two crappiest and oldest vehicles in Cadillac's lineup suck? Might be interesting to see if anything changes in the next few years with their new lineup (either for the better or worse).

In any event, it seems we got a little off topic.
 

TuffGuy

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Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: TuffGuy
Initial quality means that it hasn't had a chance to break down yet. Nothing more, nothing less.

reliability RISKS

best finds
Thanks, I'll be sure to avoid the Cadillac Catera, and Seville. Should I be surprised the two crappiest and oldest vehicles in Cadillac's lineup suck? Might be interesting to see if anything changes in the next few years with their new lineup (either for the better or worse).

In any event, it seems we got a little off topic.

yup. i still wanna know where i can get a cheap 510. :p
 

bernse

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Originally posted by: apoppin
The Original 240z (Datsun) (a "real" sportscar in the european tradition - all the other - later - Datsuns/Nissans [260/280/300s] are posers)


To be fair to the ZX's, they were never really meant to be "sports cars"... they were more of a GT. Luxury took a front seat to straight line performance... although I'd still like an 82-83 280ZX Turbo 5spd.
 

BatmanNate

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Toyota 2000GT (69 or so) and some of the earlier Celicas (76 or so) were pretty hot looking, probably collectible.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: yellowfiero
Eli's post in the 70's car thread brought this question to mind (1979 Nissan : 280ZX )... Everytime I think of a collectable car, I think US made. Gimme some examples!
Datsun "Fair Lady" Roadster (1600/2000)

The Original 240z (Datsun) (a "real" sportscar in the european tradition - all the other - later - Datsuns/Nissans [260/280/300s] are posers)

Mazda Cosmo (RX-5) (BTW, I still have 2)
early RX7s (and RX4s - usually highly modified for racing)
Why?
 

bernse

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Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: yellowfiero
The Original 240z (Datsun) (a "real" sportscar in the european tradition - all the other - later - Datsuns/Nissans [260/280/300s] are posers)
Why?

After the 240, the Z just got fatter and fatter and became more of a GT. The Z31/300ZX (84-88) was probably the apex of this trend, getting set somewhat back to its roots when the Z32 (90+) was released. Even then, it was still a big heavy car (still more of a GT than anything else), but reclaimed a large portion of its performance capabilities that it lost over the previous 20 years.
 

mAdD INDIAN

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Originally posted by: TuffGuy
Originally posted by: KnightBreed
Originally posted by: TuffGuy
Initial quality means that it hasn't had a chance to break down yet. Nothing more, nothing less.

reliability RISKS

best finds
Thanks, I'll be sure to avoid the Cadillac Catera, and Seville. Should I be surprised the two crappiest and oldest vehicles in Cadillac's lineup suck? Might be interesting to see if anything changes in the next few years with their new lineup (either for the better or worse).

In any event, it seems we got a little off topic.

yup. i still wanna know where i can get a cheap 510. :p


You and me both.

I think a nice little LS6 would be a nice partner for that 510 no?
 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its simply age, 60's cars were american cars. when caddies were tops, not like now where caddies barely have any prestige anymore.

No it isn't. Do you think that 10 years from now people will be actively seeking out 70s American cars? I think not.

The Supra is a collectible already. People are selling pristine (not modded) early 90s Supras for $25-30k easily.
Your statement is already proving to be wrong. It seems that all of a sudden 70's cars are becoming popular again by some collectors. People are starting to look for them again and prices on good examples are going up fast.

 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: bernse
Originally posted by: Eli
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: yellowfiero
The Original 240z (Datsun) (a "real" sportscar in the european tradition - all the other - later - Datsuns/Nissans [260/280/300s] are posers)
Why?

After the 240, the Z just got fatter and fatter and became more of a GT. The Z31/300ZX (84-88) was probably the apex of this trend, getting set somewhat back to its roots when the Z32 (90+) was released. Even then, it was still a big heavy car (still more of a GT than anything else), but reclaimed a large portion of its performance capabilities that it lost over the previous 20 years.
My reasoning.

Datun USED to produce TRUE roadsters and sports cars (fair lady thru 240x). HOWEVER they made the 300z BUT ADVERTISED it as a sports car.

On the other hand, Mazda has stayed more "true" to what a sports car really is (closer to the european definition) with the emergence of the rx5 and then the Rx7 continuing with the miata and 8 and soon-to-be rx7 again.
 

C'DaleRider

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Originally posted by: Flyermax2k3
Alright, move over. Let me handle this ;)
Toyota's 2000 GT was the first Japanese "sports car" comparable to what was being offered in America at the time so it is one of the most collectible Japanese cars. Toyota's Supra is also considered a collectible due to its limited production run in America and its uniqueness.
Datsun had several models which could be considered "collectibles" and they include: the 240Z, the 260Z, the 280Z, the 300Z (all versions in fact), and the 510.
Datsun later became Nissan and produced the Skyline and the Fairlady, all models of both are considered collectibles especially in the U.S. due to the fact that none of which are no longer produced, and the Skyline was never sold in the U.S.
Honda has had many, many racing vehicles which would be considered milestones in the Japanese automotive industry. Check out the Honda museum in Japan online and you'll see just how many truly collectible Hondas there are.
Mazda's rotary powered vehicles including the RX7 are all collectibles due to similar circumstances as the Skyline and the Fairlady, as well as the Supra (all the Japanese supercars of the 90's could be considered collectibles due to their rarity).
Mitsubishi's Lancer Evo could be considered a collectible in the U.S. due to the fact that it was never released as a U.S.D.M. model until the Lancer Evo VIII. The 3000GT (especially later models like the '99) are definitely collectibles due to the fact that they had a limited production run their last model year and sold like hot cakes.
Subaru's Impreza (especially WRX/STi models) is a collectible in the U.S. once again due to the fact that it wasn't released in the U.S. as a U.S.D.M. model until just recently utilizing the TAGDA chassis.
I could keep going but I'll spare you all the tedium of reading anymore ;)


You do know that Datsun didn't "become" Nissan anywhere in the world except the U.S. Nissan was the name used by the corporation in Japan and worldwide except in the U.S. Datsun was a U.S. moniker until Nissan aligned the nameplate to match the u.S. sold cars with the rest of its worldwide lineup.

 

C'DaleRider

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Originally posted by: isekii
Originally posted by: rbloedow
Originally posted by: Frdm51472
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its simply age, 60's cars were american cars. when caddies were tops, not like now where caddies barely have any prestige anymore.

According to who? I would take a new cadillac over a lexus, infiniti, acura any day of the week.

Based on what? The Japanese simply WIPE the floor with cadillac in every aspect.

Lexus, infiniti, and acura doesn't need to give out incentives to sell their cars like Caddys. And when the Caddy's have same interior as their GM cousins, that really says a lot. Atleast change the consoles and what not, if they're charging an arm and a leg for it. Make it more prestigeous.


I guess all those "Special Financing" 0.9%, 1.9%, 2.9% low APR rates being touted by Acura, Infiniti, and Lexus don't qualify as incentives, then.