Are there any other Obama supporters/voters scared like me

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
To me, Senator Obama is the best choice we've had for president in a VERY long time, maybe close to 50 years

Based on that statement you should not be allowed to vote at all.

4 years in the Senate.
NO executive experience of ANY kind, not even in charge of a Senate committee.
A legislative history that has NO major accomplishments.
Not ONE major bill with his name that people can name of the top of their head, and this is after a two year campaign.
Has NEVER stood up to his party on principle.
Has never stepped across the isle to work with the other side on anything of importance.

And yet he is the best candidate in 50 years???

Better than Eisenhower?
Better than Kennedy?
Better than Reagan?
Better than Clinton?

Every one of those guys had some major accomplishments when they ran for office, Obama has a few nice speeches.

johnny, go play in traffic, I asked very politely not to troll or be an asshole, I am so sorry those are so ingrained into your psyche that it's impossible to not be a hack.

Better than Kennedy? In office too short of time to tell, but he reminds me alot of Kennedy and the power he has to charge up an audience.
Better than reagan? My wife just cleaned up something in the litterbox that was better than him (your messiah)

And I shouldn't get to vote because I feel that way? Seriously johnny, go have a circle jerk with zendari, I'm really surprised you two aren't conjoined twins.

First, you ask people not to act like an asshole and then you go and win the asshole award with your response.

Maybe I went over the line saying you shouldn't vote, but my comment is nothing compared to the insults that start and end your post.

Second, you said Obama is a better CHOICE which to means he is a better candidate than any other of the last 40 years.

Based on your wording the fact that Kennedy was in office for a short period of time is irrelevant.
All that matters is what each candidate offered on election day.

And in that regard Obama is a horrible choice who offers the American people nothing beyond some pretty words and a background that he doesn't want to talk about.

The fact that we have now had TWO audio tapes released that have left even his supporters asking 'what did he mean by that?" illustrates the problem with Obama. Even reporters that have covered him for 18 months say that they still don't understand the guy and where he comes from. You don't want a President who is an enigma, you want someone who you fully understand.

 

[brandonb]

When I read posts like this one thing comes to mind:

No matter who you vote for, we're going to be living our lives like we always do. We will get up, go to work, go home, hang out with our friends and family, and repeat. The only difference is how much taxes are being paid, and how much food costs at the store. The only other things that change is our perceptions of the world.

My perceptions of the world is no matter who we vote for, life will remain the same, and those in power will continue to bend us over. Republican or Democrat, it doesn't make a difference. They are both evil, and voting for one or the other won't change that evil. We will face it regardless, except it will manifest itself differently.

In the end, I'm not voting, because I don't see a good candidate on either side of the fence. So I'll sit home and watch the results, and continue to live my life as I always have.

If you get too wound up in results, then obviously you see the president as someone who can make or break your life. And that my friends, is putting too much faith into someone elses hands. You really need to reevaluate why you are doing so, and take your life into your own hands. Then you'll realize it won't matter who is president. Isn't that what America is about? Freedom? We the people...

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: GenHoth

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
I suppose that I should apologize for that bit of a rant, earlier, but it's important to remember that repubs didn't make a peep about the desirability of divided govt when they held congress and the whitehouse. Quite the contrary- they tried to act like they had a supermajority, tried to force it, even when they didn't.

I have to say that experiencing that last 8 years I would have preferred a split government. I really dislike the direction that republicans have taken. The real problem I have is that the republicans have been spending all my money, and the democrats say they're going to spend my money... So who is NOT going to spend my money? Party that restricts federal spending please!

That sounds peachy and all, but I'm more concerned about achieving balanced expenditures and revenues. Few people really want the kind of radical spending cuts that would be required to achieve balance based on cuts alone- they just want the parts of the budget they don't like to be cut, not the parts they do like. Meanwhile, of course, everybody wants a tax cut...

Quite why, I'm not sure- the wife and I have arrived at a relatively high income level, and certainly don't feel that our taxes are excessive. We can't even itemize deductions successfully, either...

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
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First, you ask people not to act like an asshole and then you go and win the asshole award with your response.

Maybe I went over the line saying you shouldn't vote, but my comment is nothing compared to the insults that start and end your post.

Second, you said Obama is a better CHOICE which to means he is a better candidate than any other of the last 40 years.

Based on your wording the fact that Kennedy was in office for a short period of time is irrelevant.
All that matters is what each candidate offered on election day.

And in that regard Obama is a horrible choice who offers the American people nothing beyond some pretty words and a background that he doesn't want to talk about.

The fact that we have now had TWO audio tapes released that have left even his supporters asking 'what did he mean by that?" illustrates the problem with Obama. Even reporters that have covered him for 18 months say that they still don't understand the guy and where he comes from. You don't want a President who is an enigma, you want someone who you fully understand.

You're exactly right, I was an asshole, and it contradicts exactly what I wanted in this thread. Emotions are really at a peak right now for both sides, and I was wrong.
And I have to disagree with you 100%, I fully understood dumbya from the start, and he did nothing to surprise me, except for the reef preserve around Hawaii.
Other than that, he did what was expected, as will McCain, he voted with dumbya 90% of the time, and now has some bible thumper as a veep, no, no thank you, we've already bought that lemon.
To me, Senator Obama brings a freshness and boldness that hasn't really happened in a very long time, maybe not 50 years, but at least 30. He energizes people, not by fear and threats of attack, but by empowering them.
You see Obama as a horrible choice on what you don't know, I see McCain as a horrible choice because of what I do know. He's negative, his running mate is a potential criminal (troopergate), bible thumping theologist who actually believes she will see Jesus Christ come back to earth in her lifetime.
Those factors right there should evacuate the bowels of any sane voter.
I believe that Senator Obama can right the ship, get jobs back to the states, reform education and maybe do some good with healthcare.
I don't think mccain/palin cares for anything beyond the rich and the very upper middle class.
I hope this was a little more civil and clear as to why I am proudly voting for Senator Obama tomorrow.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: NetGuySC
I get a knot in my stomach thinking about If Obama wins and the democrats have a super majority in congress. This would be the death blow to this country. Nothing but bad can come from either party have a fillerbuster proof majority in congress.

But to be honest I do not feel good with either candidate winning.

You're not alone brother.

Agreed 100%, this is quite bossibly going to be the biggest blow ever to the core of this country.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: boomerang

Originally posted by: NetGuySC
I get a knot in my stomach thinking about If Obama wins and the democrats have a super majority in congress. This would be the death blow to this country. Nothing but bad can come from either party have a fillerbuster proof majority in congress.

But to be honest I do not feel good with either candidate winning.

You're not alone brother.

Agreed 100%, this is quite bossibly going to be the biggest blow ever to the core of this country.

That is quite the stretch, but I agree with the idea that checks and balances are important and overwhelming majorities in Congress or the House is usually not something that I like to see too often.

 

[dwell]

but I am truly scared of what will happen if he loses. I hope no riots start

Therein lies the problem. Nobody feared riots when Kerry lost to a terrible incumbent.

 

[Engineer]

It's interesting that Obama is pulling away in the polls today. Back to 7.0+ in the latest RCP average, yet the electorial college projections are going to more and more toss up states. Usually, national polls tighten right now, but that's not the case so far. I still won't believe it until I see the results. Otherwise, it's anybody's ball game as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: Engineer
It's interesting that Obama is pulling away in the polls today. Back to 7.0+ in the latest RCP average, yet the electorial college projections are going to more and more toss up states. Usually, national polls tighten right now, but that's not the case so far. I still won't believe it until I see the results. Otherwise, it's anybody's ball game as far as I'm concerned.

It is wierd, but PA is barely a toss up state, it's at 7.6 for Obama, VA is at 4.2 for Obama, that lead has shrunk as well, but still a decent number. What surprises me, in a good way, is that MT, ND, MO, GA, NC, IN and of all states AZ are all in the toss up.
McCain's lead is 3.5 in his home state, I believe that speaks volumes. In GA, McCain's lead has dwindled from sizable double digits to +3.0
These predominantly red states are turning purple. I don't see many historical blue states going that direction.
Wow, imagine McCain losing AZ, that's amazing.

 

[Skitzer]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Not really.. I mean if Obama doesn't get in it just means it's just time for me to look at moving to one of these countries near the top of the list and what their immigration policies are.

I think you should move no matter who wins. Obviously you could care less about our Country in good times or bad.

 

[Skitzer]

Originally posted by: loki8481
"price will rise, politicians will philander, you too will get old, and when you do youll fantasize that when you were young prices were reasonable, politicians were noble and children respected their elders."

the earth will keep turning no matter who wins on Tuesday, progress will keep chugging along, and whether America has to suffer through four more years of republican rule or four years of a democratic supermajority, the sun will rise on Wednesday and we'll do fine as a country.

Well said and I agree

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: Skitzer

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Not really.. I mean if Obama doesn't get in it just means it's just time for me to look at moving to one of these countries near the top of the list and what their immigration policies are.

I think you should move no matter who wins. Obviously you could care less about our Country in good times or bad.

And take Alec Baldwin with you... he was supposed to leave in 2000 and 2004.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
I've followed 538, I'm glued to RCP, and clearly Senator Obama is likely to be the next president, but I have a really sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that something is going to happen, whether it's accidental (voting machine malfunction), intentional (see Florida 2000), or just white people sure they want Obama, go into the booth and say to themselves, I don't feel comfortable giving a black man the vote (Bradley effect).

To me, Senator Obama is the best choice we've had for president in a VERY long time, maybe close to 50 years, but I am truly scared of what will happen if he loses. I hope no riots start, or any of that crap, it's just the idea of having another religous nutwad in the Whitehouse, McCain doesn't scare me too much, I would have probably voted for him if he ran in 2000, but after the smearing dumbya and rove did to him, he didn't have a chance, and post election, and fast forward 8 years, the maverick that was, is no more.

I am scared of compassionate conservatism of the dumbya years continuing for another 4, I am scared that the war in Iraq will have no end date, I am scared that a Presidential candidate McCain sang
"bomb, bomb, bomb,
bomb bomb Iran."
To me that was akin to dumbya looking under tables while 'joking' about wmd's. Meanwhile US soldiers are putting their lives on the line for that joke.
In all probability, Senator Obama from the Great State of Illinois (my home state )
will be elected president, I just hope it's by an indisputable size, well over 5% and well over 50 EV's.
I'm not trying to chicken little here, I am just another citizen, deeply scared that a very flawed system could prevent a very talented, intelligent man from becoming president of the US, again.

And please, try not to troll, I'll do the same.

I feel that way every sunday when the Seahawks have the early lead.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
What worries you guys about Dems in power? Afraid they might start a war of adventure? Spend us into a $10 trillion hole? Trample our civil liberties? Propose frivolous constitutional amendments? Trash the environmental regulations? See science as a political tool?

Afraid they might start a war of adventure - Dems voted for war
Spend us into a $10 trillion hole - Dems voted for budget
Trample our civil liberties - Dems voted for Patriot act
Propose frivolous constitutional amendments - Abortion rights is in the constitution?
Trash the environmental regulations - bankrupt coal, gouge us on green energy, rolling blackouts?
See science as a political tool - irony?

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
What worries you guys about Dems in power? Afraid they might start a war of adventure? Spend us into a $10 trillion hole? Trample our civil liberties? Propose frivolous constitutional amendments? Trash the environmental regulations? See science as a political tool?

Afraid they might start a war of adventure - Dems voted for war
Spend us into a $10 trillion hole - Dems voted for budget
Trample our civil liberties - Dems voted for Patriot act
Propose frivolous constitutional amendments - Abortion rights is in the constitution?
Trash the environmental regulations - bankrupt coal, gouge us on green energy, rolling blackouts?
See science as a political tool - irony?

ok then, if they voted with the republicans...how are they more scary than them?

 

[JS80]

Sad thing is this election is a win/win for democrats. Even if McCain wins, with a democratic controlled congress they will use him like a puppet. And knowing McCain's history as a "maverick" and someone who is willing to negotiate with democrats, he will be no different than having a moderate democrat as president. And if McCain takes a sharp turn to the right they will just treat him like they treat W Bush.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: JS80
Sad thing is this election is a win/win for democrats. Even if McCain wins, with a democratic controlled congress they will use him like a puppet. And knowing McCain's history as a "maverick" and someone who is willing to negotiate with democrats, he will be no different than having a moderate democrat as president. And if McCain takes a sharp turn to the right they will just treat him like they treat W Bush.

Sad is relative, and it's definitely not win-win. If for some reason Obama doesn't get the nod, we will be in for another stagnant time, especially with Caribou Barbie in charge of the senate!

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
What worries you guys about Dems in power? Afraid they might start a war of adventure? Spend us into a $10 trillion hole? Trample our civil liberties? Propose frivolous constitutional amendments? Trash the environmental regulations? See science as a political tool?

Afraid they might start a war of adventure - Dems voted for war
Spend us into a $10 trillion hole - Dems voted for budget
Trample our civil liberties - Dems voted for Patriot act
Propose frivolous constitutional amendments - Abortion rights is in the constitution?
Trash the environmental regulations - bankrupt coal, gouge us on green energy, rolling blackouts?
See science as a political tool - irony?

This is coming from the same guy who stated in another thread that he hopes that, if elected, Obama starts pushing hard for major communist changes so that America basically gets destroyed and undergoes massive suffering for god knows how long, but then results in some sort of magical revolution that changes us into something much better than what we are now.

Face it man. The credibility of your opinion on these issues is ruined forever.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: bctbct
I am starting to get a tight knot in my stomach as well. Very much the same feeling as 2004 when I thought there was no way Bush would be reelected because of his poor policies.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
What worries you guys about Dems in power? Afraid they might start a war of adventure? Spend us into a $10 trillion hole? Trample our civil liberties? Propose frivolous constitutional amendments? Trash the environmental regulations? See science as a political tool?

Afraid they might start a war of adventure - Dems voted for war
Spend us into a $10 trillion hole - Dems voted for budget
Trample our civil liberties - Dems voted for Patriot act
Propose frivolous constitutional amendments - Abortion rights is in the constitution?
Trash the environmental regulations - bankrupt coal, gouge us on green energy, rolling blackouts?
See science as a political tool - irony?

This is coming from the same guy who stated in another thread that he hopes that, if elected, Obama starts pushing hard for major communist changes so that America basically gets destroyed and undergoes massive suffering for god knows how long, but then results in some sort of magical revolution that changes us into something much better than what we are now.

Face it man. The credibility of your opinion on these issues is ruined forever.

I still hope for it. Americans deserve Obama. Americans deserve to be punished.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
What worries you guys about Dems in power? Afraid they might start a war of adventure? Spend us into a $10 trillion hole? Trample our civil liberties? Propose frivolous constitutional amendments? Trash the environmental regulations? See science as a political tool?

Afraid they might start a war of adventure - Dems voted for war
Spend us into a $10 trillion hole - Dems voted for budget
Trample our civil liberties - Dems voted for Patriot act
Propose frivolous constitutional amendments - Abortion rights is in the constitution?
Trash the environmental regulations - bankrupt coal, gouge us on green energy, rolling blackouts?
See science as a political tool - irony?

This is coming from the same guy who stated in another thread that he hopes that, if elected, Obama starts pushing hard for major communist changes so that America basically gets destroyed and undergoes massive suffering for god knows how long, but then results in some sort of magical revolution that changes us into something much better than what we are now.

Face it man. The credibility of your opinion on these issues is ruined forever.

I still hope for it. Americans deserve Obama. Americans deserve to be punished.

Sounds like you got a little Rev Wright in ya....or aren't you supposed to loathe his idea of tough love?

I can't get all the FUD straight anymore. please help me out...

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Xavier434
This is coming from the same guy who stated in another thread that he hopes that, if elected, Obama starts pushing hard for major communist changes so that America basically gets destroyed and undergoes massive suffering for god knows how long, but then results in some sort of magical revolution that changes us into something much better than what we are now.

Face it man. The credibility of your opinion on these issues is ruined forever.

I still hope for it. Americans deserve Obama. Americans deserve to be punished.

What exactly did ALL of Americans do to deserve the pain and suffering of a radical communist nation for what could potentially be an eternity? Hell, please tell me what I did to deserve that? Please tell me what my 5 year old has done to deserve it?


I really am appalled that any true American could possibly believe what you believe. It is one of the most disgusting things I have ever heard. How much more self destructive can you possibly get and on a worldwide scale for that matter?

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

What exactly did ALL of Americans do to deserve the pain and suffering of a radical communist nation for what could potentially be an eternity? Hell, please tell me what I did to deserve that? Please tell me what my 5 year old has done to deserve it?


I really am appalled that any true American could possibly believe what you believe. It is one of the most disgusting things I have ever heard. How much more self destructive can you possibly get and on a worldwide scale for that matter?

What did you do? Nothing. Thats the problem. We are the generation which turned the United States into a bunch of fat lazy slobs who sit around and watch sports and ignore politics entirely. When we should be hanging the politicians from the nearest tree for the treason they do.

Just my opinion.