Last I read was about g200, coming in the second half of 2008, and so will r700 from AMD. I actually think R700 is going to hit the market before nvidia's new high-end videocards, because samples are allready out, or so say the rumours, and the R700 seems to be at least 50% faster then R670. G200 still being produced at 65nm, containing more transistors then ever before, is going to run HOT as hell, or so say the rumours, hehe. It sure is going to be interesting.
Well G92 has 754 million transistors, but this would still be huge leap. I mean 2,387.. times more transistors.. It would really be monolithic. If they'll make it with 45nm and this chip would be 535mm^2 then in that case 1800M transistors would be realistic. How ever 45nm proces for G100 and 535mm^2 chip size aren't realistic.
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By the way Nvidia's next gen high end cards could still sport 256 bit mem bandwith. I mean Samsung & co. have been saying that first GDDR5 products will come out 2008 H2 (suprisingly 2008 H2 is also the expected time for next gen launch for Nvidia and AMD). Nvidia is skipping GDDR4 so it would be weird if Nvidia's next gen would still use GDDR3.
Samsung sent GDDR5 2.5GHz (5000MHz DDR) samples already at late October/early November to their customers. If they would get that kind of chips to card with 256-bit bus it would translate in to a 160GB/s membandwith wich should be enough or more than enough for next gen high end (if you combine HD3870 X2's both mem bus..you'll get total of 115,2GB/s..).
Well both GPU's were "taped out" January:
http://www.tcmagazine.info/com...shownews=17735&catid=2
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Eerhm those numbers:
R680 - two RV670 GPU's
R700 - two RV770 GPU's
Yes it will be one hot GPU, but will it consume more power than two AMD GPU's? Well they still have room for extra power consumption. If they add extra 40-50W for 8800 Ultra power consumption they would be at HD3870 X2 level:
http://techreport.com/r.x/rade...3870-x2/power-load.gif
Well it all comes to that what kind of clock frequencies they think that G100 needs to beat R700. G100 has one advantage (performance wise) because it's single GPU solution; two GPU's doesn't mean twice the performance, but twice the power consumption..atleast.
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Sadly the 9600GT isn't too hot, I mean it has good bandwidth but only 64 shader processors, early benchmarks show that it's faster than a 8800GS which in turn is faster than the HD 3850 so I guess it's not too bad for the price but I expected a more powerful card.
Anyone looking to buy a card in the $200 range should just buy the 8800GT because it's here to stay, we'll get 9600GT (below it) in March, a 9800GX2 in late march (way above the $200 price range) and the GT200 in late Q2 or early Q3 (hopefully) but that will be ultra high end as well so I guess the 8800GT will remain the top $200 card the whole year.
Apparently nvidia's plan is to rebrand the 8800GT as 9800GT and the 8800GTS (G92) as 9800GTX, possibly with some minor tweaks, but G92 nevertheless.
Anyone looking to buy a card in the $200 range should just buy the 8800GT because it's here to stay, we'll get 9600GT (below it) in March, a 9800GX2 in late march (way above the $200 price range) and the GT200 in late Q2 or early Q3 (hopefully) but that will be ultra high end as well so I guess the 8800GT will remain the top $200 card the whole year.
Apparently nvidia's plan is to rebrand the 8800GT as 9800GT and the 8800GTS (G92) as 9800GTX, possibly with some minor tweaks, but G92 nevertheless.
Well it's good performer if it costs like $170 thing is that cheapest 8800 GT's cost like $190.. so there's not much room there.
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Rumours say that G94 wouldn't have anymore this AA problem that G92 had (with G92 using AA consumes a lot of vram..reason why 8800 GT 256MB has so hard time against HD3850 256MB). If this is true this would be very good news considering 9600 GT 256MB.
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Rumours say that G94 wouldn't have anymore this AA problem that G92 had (with G92 using AA consumes a lot of vram..reason why 8800 GT 256MB has so hard time against HD3850 256MB). If this is true this would be very good news considering 9600 GT 256MB.
does anyone know if my current mobo will be able to support the geforce 9600 gt when it comes out?
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5015/mainbte5.jpg
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5015/mainbte5.jpg
Are the G100 and GT200 the same thing? That German site says 55nm for G100, so assuming that is correct, it seems strange that they would go back to 65nm unless these cards are coming out around the same time, with G100 being a midrange version.
Check out this post of mine: http://forums.anandtech.com/me...ht_key=y&keyword1=g200
Obviously one site is wrong, no matter how we look at it. Which one to believe? No clue.
Obviously one site is wrong, no matter how we look at it. Which one to believe? No clue.
Taltamir, didn't you already buy a GTS a couple weeks ago? At least that's what I remember from an earlier thread.
apoppin
Lifer
[n]Rollo knows
:Q
but he ain't telling ... either
you have to realize that nvidia is playing their cards closer to their chest then ever before - now that they are dealing with a tight-lipped AMD instead of blab-all ATi
perhaps they will have a surprise for AMD
:evil:
gf9 will be paper launched like the 8800gt in Q1 2008 cuz they can't sell enough to compete with the competition now to make enough
apoppin
Lifer
We all have excellent memories here - and good look-up capabilities ...
... for what *other* posters say
i have even been 'called' on stuff i said years ago
:Q
[the latest was a PM re: my prediction (last year) that Blue Ray/HD burners for PC would drop below $100 this year ... i still think so]
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forget blue ray... wanna buy a tapestry media? 300GB per disk, 18000$ per drive, 180$ per disk. They say they will soon come out with a 800GB model and 1600GB afterwards. Also HVD is in the works which will be available afterwards with up to 5TB per disk (if it ever comes to fruition)... but its still years until one of those is availble for purchase.
http://www.inphase-technologie...cts/media.asp?subn=3_2
http://www.inphase-technologie...cts/media.asp?subn=3_2
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yea, nvidia forgot about competing with THEMSELVES... so what if ATI has nothing, leaving more then 2 years between high end products is retarded. They could have had people buying more nvidia cards to replace existing nvidia cards.. instead they leave those people hanging and try to snatch up ATI customers or people who haven't upgraded in a long time.
apoppin
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Originally posted by: apoppin
HD3870x2 is nothing?
last i checked, it had the performance crown
for a two GPU... in one slot... yea its king there... But if you wanted to do multiple GPUs then the 8800ultra x3 or just two 3870s beat it... I want to see how two x2 cards stack against 3 ultras when the quadfire drivers become available... that will be exciting.
Anyways since the x2 is ONLY faster on pcie v2 boards and requires a huge PSU you are not exactly talking flexibility here.
But I wasn't actually looking at SLI vs xfire here... Single GPU performance the ultra has the crown, which is pathetic considering how old it is. nvidia didn't even bother to dethrone its own champion with its last refresh.
apoppin
Lifer
i gotta agree now that it is *qualified*
in that case, my own XT/Pro Xfire probably comes close to it
I think we are going to have to accept that video cards are heading the multi-gpu way, there isn't any more that can be done to really up the ante in performance like NV and ATI used to do, the max they can do is tweak the architecture and get more efficient cards like G92.
The HD 3870 X2 is not that bad for a dual gpu card, it's cheap, it doesn't have too many of the glaring drawbacks of CF and in fact according to many reviews it behaves like a single card, so yeah, I think that with a little driver maturity and some better implementation dual GPU cards will become the norm and in this matter it looks like ATI will be back on top, considering the huge advance ATI is doing in Crossfire.
Maybe by 2009 Crossfire/SLI implementations will be so good that a dual-gpu card will be indiscernible from a single-gpu card (except of course for performance), that and even power performance-per-watt optimizations and suddenly dual-gpu on one card sounds very attractive.
The HD 3870 X2 is not that bad for a dual gpu card, it's cheap, it doesn't have too many of the glaring drawbacks of CF and in fact according to many reviews it behaves like a single card, so yeah, I think that with a little driver maturity and some better implementation dual GPU cards will become the norm and in this matter it looks like ATI will be back on top, considering the huge advance ATI is doing in Crossfire.
Maybe by 2009 Crossfire/SLI implementations will be so good that a dual-gpu card will be indiscernible from a single-gpu card (except of course for performance), that and even power performance-per-watt optimizations and suddenly dual-gpu on one card sounds very attractive.
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