Are the Jews God's Chosen People?

[BMdoobieW]

<< I don't think God would hang with Adam and Noah as much as he did if he wasn't making a religion. With the very first rule (don't eat the apple) he made a religion. With the first punishment (get outta' here and get pregnant and grow crops) he acted on the promise of the first rule. >>


In the beginning (roughly Adam to a little before Noah and then from the flood to a little after Noah) there wasn't a need for "the Jewish religion" because everyone knew there was a G-d (one G-d) and they basically followed their human morals. It was once humans turned away from their morals and started worshipping idols that G-d had to step in and choose a people (the Jews) to carry on with his morals and ideals and stuff...gee this is hard to write. I'm not a Rabbi, this is just from what I think I've learned.



<< He drowned everyone for being bad, and made a promise to everyone that he would not drown everyone again.
When you have promises and punishments that effect everyone through the ages you have religion. I believe there was sacrifices too. Didn't the first murder happen because God was ticked off at the offering? Didn't Noah sacrfice an animal or two?
Since this is in the Bible, doesn't that make it part of a religion? If this isn't the Jewish religion, then what is it? >>


Again, just because G-d talks to people it doesn't mean it is a religion. Like I said above, there wouldn't have been a need for a religion or religions if everyone had continued to believe in one G-d and not start worshipping idols. Also, the Bible recounts history from day 1 so we know what happened, not so Judaism can be associated with everything in the world. <--I'm tired. I don't even know what I just wrote.



<< Sarah <== not Jewish, but thinks she is chosen >>


No offence, but I don't understand why you want to be chosen. It just means you have about a hundred times more laws to follow and you have to be an example for the rest of the world. It also means that most of the world has to hate you and try to kill you left and right. I'd never give up being Jewish for a moment and I never regret being Jewish for one second, but come on, only having 7 laws to follow is just so awesome. Like, where's the catch??? I don't understand why more people don't realize and appreciate this. I don't want to offend anyone and I hope I haven't, but it is hard to say want I want to say only though typed words and not through spoken words. Good night. (I have an exam at 10:10am and I'm serious I haven't studied for it yet.)

 

[SmackdownHotel]

<< Yes, because God said so: >>




I pity you, zealot.

 

[Mani]

<< Well I'll heat it up!!! Christians believe that salvation is gained through acceptance of Christ as your personal Lord and saviour. John 3:16. If you do not accept Jesus as your savior, you are condemned to hell. >>



This is why I woldn't buy into this crap. I'm sure this (as everything else in the universe) has been discussed to death on ATOT but this is pretty unfair to people who have not been brought up with Jesus in their lives. Is it really their fault if someone who has been brought up by his peers to follow another religion if they do not believe Christ is their personal lord and savior? Say someone in Tibet was born and brought up a buddhist with little or no inlfuence of christianity in their lives, but live their life as best they can, morally and ethically. Guess they're going straight to hell in a handbasket.

I believe in a higher power, and that's enough for me. I don't think God is petty enough to care if you believe what form that higher power takes. If God wanted us all to believe a certain way I think he/she/whatever would tell each and every one of us somehow, and that's why I think it's up to us to make our own truth.

 

[Tiranee]

Nope, no longer. After the Jews denied Jesus and the Curtain was ripped from the top down, in the temple the Jew were no longer the "Chosen".

But who's to say that God doesn't still like them like the prodigal son. of course they never came back to him.

 

[Nightfall]

I am sure this thread will get 500 posts in the next few days. It just amazes me how these things get started. You have one person who believes one thing and has to share it with everyone in the community. Everyone who sees it has to share their own beliefs. Flame war ensues.

Religious Tolerance is the only way we are going to get around these differences. I may not believe in god, but I do believe that everyone has a right to believe what they want to believe. That is what makes America great. Anything less and we should live in a communist country.

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

<< May I inject a little humor into this thread?

I belong to a small congregation of Messianic Jews (persons of Jewish heritage who have accepted Jesus Christ as the Messiah.) A member of our congregation returned from Canada not long ago, and he brought with him a snapshot of a Messianic place of worship in the Yukon.

In front of the Quonset-hut building was a hand-painted sign that said GOD'S FROZEN PEOPLE. >>

I like it!

 

[FelixDeCat]

> L. Ron Hubbard

Theres a trusted source. Not.

 

[Czar]

They are the chosen people to themselves and those few who choose to belive so. To the rest of us they are just people like everyone else, that is except for those who hate jews and belive they are evil and are damned to go to whatever bad place they belive in.

 

[Texmaster]

<< They are the chosen people to themselves and those few who choose to belive so. To the rest of us they are just people like everyone else, that is except for those who hate jews and belive they are evil and are damned to go to whatever bad place they belive in. >>



The Jews were God's chosen people to spread the word of God which they did.

More general interpretations of the statement are innacurate.

 

[Czar]

<< The Jews were God's chosen people to spread the word of God which they did.

More general interpretations of the statement are innacurate. >>


That is if you belive in that god and not some other god.

 

[Freejack2]

And let me refer to the deleted section: Deuteronomy 34234:9-339
Hahah fooled you humans. Cows are really God's chosen people. So Mooooooooooooo!



Seriously,
In my opinion it's a crock. I think every living thing on this planet is God's "chosen people".

 

[Texmaster]

<<

<< The Jews were God's chosen people to spread the word of God which they did.

More general interpretations of the statement are innacurate. >>


That is if you belive in that god and not some other god. >>



Thats exactly what the question was. According to the faith of Judasim and Christianity are the Jews God's Chosen people.

 

[Czar]

<< Thats exactly what the question was. According to the faith of Judasim and Christianity are the Jews God's Chosen people. >>


But it also matters how literaly people take the bible, I dont think that many christians consider jews to be more special to their god than they are.

 

[CTweak]

Boy, this is like the easiest NART thread ever ....

Hmmm. The 'bible' a book written by the Jews (at least the first part or 'old testament') indicates that the Jews are god's special people. Surprise Surprise!!!

Funny, the other holy books all indicate that the race/people that wrote them is god's special/chosen people. Perhaps god's confused?


Perhaps I will write a holy book of my own that tells how I alone am god's special person. Send all your money to me!!!

 

[lawaris]

what is GOD !!!

 

[Smaulz]

<< Ok, getting serious here a bit..... I don't think God would hang with Adam and Noah as much as he did if he wasn't making a religion. With the very first rule (don't eat the apple) he made a religion. >>



Religion is a creation of man... NOT God... Religion is God's greatest enemy....

 

[lawaris]

<<

<< Ok, getting serious here a bit..... I don't think God would hang with Adam and Noah as much as he did if he wasn't making a religion. With the very first rule (don't eat the apple) he made a religion. >>



Religion is a creation of man... NOT God... Religion is God's greatest enemy.... >>




I am religious ....but what is GOD !! ..........again ??.......and again ???

 

[Smaulz]

<<

<< Well I'll heat it up!!! Christians believe that salvation is gained through acceptance of Christ as your personal Lord and saviour. John 3:16. If you do not accept Jesus as your savior, you are condemned to hell. >>

This is why I woldn't buy into this crap. I'm sure this (as everything else in the universe) has been discussed to death on ATOT but this is pretty unfair to people who have not been brought up with Jesus in their lives. Is it really their fault if someone who has been brought up by his peers to follow another religion if they do not believe Christ is their personal lord and savior? Say someone in Tibet was born and brought up a buddhist with little or no inlfuence of christianity in their lives, but live their life as best they can, morally and ethically. Guess they're going straight to hell in a handbasket. I believe in a higher power, and that's enough for me. I don't think God is petty enough to care if you believe what form that higher power takes. If God wanted us all to believe a certain way I think he/she/whatever would tell each and every one of us somehow, and that's why I think it's up to us to make our own truth. >>



That's entirely up to you. It's your right to deny the Truth, but it's not a matter of being "fair" or not. I'm tired of people whining because God's so "unfair." What have you ever done for Him? He created man, and man turned away from Him. Why should He really care what you think? Man has been striving to remove God from everything they do. "Keep God away from the gov't.... get Him outta the schools!" Well, you got your way... now you have to deal with it. You've heard the Truth, now it's on your shoulders...

Bring on the flamethrowers, I don't really care... as far as I'm concerned, it's time to stop babying people and trying to cajole them into accepting Christ. Do it or don't, your choice... but YOU have to deal with the consequences... not me....

 

[Mani]

<< That's entirely up to you. It's your right to deny the Truth, but it's not a matter of being "fair" or not. I'm tired of people whining because God's so "unfair." What have you ever done for Him? He created man, and man turned away from Him. Why should He really care what you think? Man has been striving to remove God from everything they do. "Keep God away from the gov't.... get Him outta the schools!" Well, you got your way... now you have to deal with it. You've heard the Truth, now it's on your shoulders...

Bring on the flamethrowers, I don't really care... as far as I'm concerned, it's time to stop babying people and trying to cajole them into accepting Christ. Do it or don't, your choice... but YOU have to deal with the consequences... not me.... >>



The "Truth"? Please.

No merciful and loving god would forsake SO MANY people because their predecessors may have "turned away from Him". No merciful and loving god would send people to hell because they were born and raised in a non-christian household, or hadn't had contact with christianity at all. The puritanical arrogance you've displayed is yet another thing that turns people away from your religion, so congrats, you're part of the "problem".

 

[chasem]

everyone has to put in their worthless $.02 and im no different.
I know you have heard this before but why are you guys refering to silly stuff as facts..


Because its like a song you sang in sunday school?

because the new testiment says so? which was re-written, to maintain power and control over people


I am not religious, i beilive that i would NOT be a christian, i see no reason to worship the messenger.

I would probaly be budihst

 

[bandXtrb]

Why does this God guy love us so much anyway? is he some kind of gay or something?

 

[Smaulz]

<< Bring on the flamethrowers, I don't really care... as far as I'm concerned, it's time to stop babying people and trying to cajole them into accepting Christ. Do it or don't, your choice... but YOU have to deal with the consequences... not me.... >>

 

[Texmaster]

<< But it also matters how literaly people take the bible, I dont think that many christians consider jews to be more special to their god than they are. >>



Jews are very special for being chosen by God to spread His word. But that doesn't mean they are better than other people simply the persecuted people God chose at the time to spread His word.

And since this belief only truely applies to Christians and Jews it does not effect others who value different beliefs.

The problem I'm seeing is that people are taking some Christian and Jewish beliefs and taking them as personal insults when they don't agree and I'm curious why only these religions are targeted in this manner.

 

[Gen Stonewall]

I must say that nearly every post on this thread is full of ignorance. For the sake of my sanity I'll pretend I didn't read them. To answer the question in the thread's title, consider Romans 11:25-29:

...Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has
come in. [26]And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:

"The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
[27]And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

[28]As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far
as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, [29]for God's
gifts and his call are irrevocable.

As you can see, this passage is somewhat ambiguous by itself (which is typical of Paul). It also makes the assumption that the reader knows what "election" signifies (which is beyond the scope of this argument). However, the message is clear: The Jews are God's chosen people and representatives of his earthly nation of Israel. Ethnic Jews are not favored over Gentiles (everyone else) for salvation through Christ. Rather, this passage says that Israel will be restored (which happened 54 years ago) and will remain standing forever, one day the seat of Christ's worldwide earthly government (which obviously hasn't been established yet).

Destruction of Israel or the Jews will never happen.

 

[Mani]

<< The problem I'm seeing is that people are taking some Christian and Jewish beliefs and taking them as personal insults when they don't agree and I'm curious why only these religions are targeted in this manner. >>



Besides Islam, I can't think of any other religion that's so exclusionary. If Buddhism had said only people who accept Buddha as their savior don't go to hell and we had people trumpeting that on these forums, you can bet it would fall under just as much criticism.