are the iragi's as thankless as they appear?

[hconnor2]

you hear things like "one edict from an immam and the entire amercian forces will be our prisoners." oh that's rich. why aren't the f-ing iragi's taking on these terrorists?

the answer, i suppose, is that they have no recent history of successful uprising. but human nature says that these guys need to give us a hand. the reason this didn't happen in japan and germany, i believe, is that the people were tired of war and saw the americans as the only way out.

these guys piss and moan if they haven't got enough gasoline. hello? did they have tons of petrol in postwar europe or japan? nope. fact is these iragi's sound like one big welfare case. sadly, it makes you wonder if they are worth our trouble.

 

[notfred]

They have a foreign army running thier country, setting up random checkpoints for whatever they want and enforcing an 11:00PM curfew. Why the fvck should they be thankful?

EDIT: and, wrong forum.

 

[ItTheCow]

You've got to keep in mind the media doesn't portray the full view of the people. The image you have in mind may only pertain to a select group.

 

[T3C]

some are, some are not

 

[StageLeft]

In many ways the media gets more people watching if they can find people to hate the occupying americans vs. loving them. Really you can't put much meat behind any claims unless you have some numbers or polls. A single reporter walking through some area that just got bombed and there are kids' bodies on the ground is naturally going to find a lot of anti-americanism.

 

[hconnor2]

well, i suppose you have to ask why they would need checkpoints. i suppose they do seem ridiculous in such a calm, peaceful country.

 

[tnitsuj]

You absolutely lack the capacity to see things from someon elses perspective don't you? That's okay. It is a common trait amongst the American public. Please resume watching cable television.




BTW: Wrong Forum. Take this to P&N. You will find plenty that agree with you.

 

[hconnor2]

yes, that's it. having lived overseas for years, i MUST be one of the plebian american public. my aren't we a deep thinker.

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: hconnor2
yes, that's it. having lived overseas for years, i MUST be one of the plebian american public. my aren't we a deep thinker.

Did you live overseas in a thirld world country where a foriegn Army has just invaded and occupied your country? after a long history of foriegn armies invading and occupying your country?

No one likes to live under someone elses boot. If another country invaded the US (for our own good) I am sure people would be fighting there. It is up to US to convince them to support us. It is totally unreasonable to expect them to be happy we invaded and are occupying.

 

[hconnor2]

yes.

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: hconnor2
yes.

Where? And were you part of the occupied population?

 

[hconnor2]

but really the line of argument will go nowhere i think. we both feel strongly that our positions are correct. mind you, i'm not certain the amercians should have gone over there. but at the same time, i can't see why a reasonable person there would support destroying the country's assets. very odd. very.

likewise i can't see how others would just stand by and watch, and then disparage the americans.

of course i don't think the ami's are all the altruistic, but that's beside the point.

 

[tnitsuj]

Originally posted by: hconnor2
but really the line of argument will go nowhere i think. we both feel strongly that our positions are correct. mind you, i'm not certain the amercians should have gone over there. but at the same time, i can't see why a reasonable person there would support destroying the country's assets. very odd. very.

likewise i can't see how others would just stand by and watch, and then disparage the americans.

of course i don't think the ami's are all the altruistic, but that's beside the point.

You didn't answer the question. Where you ever part of the occupied population? If not, you can't really sit back and say how someone who has been invaded and occupied should act then can you?

 

[tnitsuj]

BTW: that's my last post.

P&N calls out to this thread.

 

[T3C]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Originally posted by: hconnor2
yes.

Where? And were you part of the occupied population?

so they would have been much better off if we did nothing??? dont think so... :disgust:

 

[halik]

err lets look at it from iraqi point of view:
theres a foreigh army occupying their country
they have no electricity and running water
their whole infrastructure is fudged up

if i was iraq yeah i would b!tch

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: halik
err lets look at it from iraqi point of view:
theres a foreigh army occupying their country
they have no electricity and running water
their whole infrastructure is fudged up

if i was iraq yeah i would b!tch

 

[glen]

I have talked with some Iraqies.
They said they are very happy about everything, but the press tends to find one or two people who are upset and play up the story.
They said the same goes with the protestors, rioters, etc.., said they are simply old bathist party members and they press plays right into their hands.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

There is still a group which had power under Saddam and does not like losing it. And there are the foreign Al-Qaida type warriors who have come to fight 'the great evil'.

Most normal Iraqi do welcome the Americans, but for some reason Iraqis waving at Americans get less media attention than people blowing em up.

 

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

Maybe they're pissed because idiots keep calling them "iragi's."

 

[Rogue]

glen is exactly right. I've talked to a lot of troops that have come back from Iraq recently and nearly all of them say that the general populace is happy to have us there, doing what we're doing. Look at the reports you see on TV and you will see that it is simply a select group of loyalists wreaking havoc on that nation and our troops. They sabotage their own power grid and pipe lines and try to say the Americans are doing it. The vast majority is happy to have us there and that's come straight from the people that have been in the streets with the people, on the ground. Many Iraqis are dissatisified with the lack of power and water, etc. right now, but it's going to take some time to restore that stuff. Hell, my brother talked to actual Iraqi soldiers, who abandoned their posts soon after the war started because they knew that they were outmatched and they knew that getting rid of Saddam was the better option.

 

[hconnor2]

think you are right about the bitching because no running water etc. its a human thing to do. heck, i even do it, and some don't even consider me up to a human.

i just wish they took a more active role in things. one gets the feeling that it should be the iraqis hunting down the bathwaterist's or whatever they are called.

and when things aren't going their way we always here that right around the corner is a jihad.

just makes you wonder if this is what we want to spend our hard earned money on, that's all. i don't mind sticking my neck out for a person, but at the very least i'd like a 'thank you'.

 

[ElFenix]

the press serves 1 purpose: to find controversy and magnify it as much as possible. if theres 1 malcontent in 1000 the press will find it, report it, and lead you to believe everyone is this way. all those guys cheering in the background, do they even know why they're cheering? maybe they're just trying to get on TV.

 

[dighn]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
the press serves 1 purpose: to find controversy and magnify it as much as possible. if theres 1 malcontent in 1000 the press will find it, report it, and lead you to believe everyone is this way. all those guys cheering in the background, do they even know why they're cheering? maybe they're just trying to get on TV.

ditto

i hate the press. can be so unbelievablely misleading at times.

 

[friedpie]

The mainstream media is all about the boogeyman, about the negative side to almost every aspect of our daily lives. They are also liberals who deep down inside want Bush to fail so they portray the Iraqi effort in as bad a light as possible. Just tonight they ended a story on Iraq with a comment of how it was turning into another Vietnam. That's what they want, they want to change public perception so that they can hurt the administration.