Are the G.O.P. just in the business of running for office just to lose?

88keys

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Seeing Jeb Bush make one dumbass statement after another really has me wondering this. He was and still is the most sane of all of the candidates which really says alot about the line up. It seems like they're just running for office to take campaign donations and what not but they have no intention of actually winning the presidency.

At this point, anyone not living under a rock would have to know that running in religious family values is not gonna win votes anymore. They would do much better for themselves if they just focused on economic issues.

What's bad about this is that democrats think they're doing well when the only reason people will vote for them is because their not completely insane.
 

rudder

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America holds the republican candidates up to a very high standard.... unlike the people on the left and democratic candidates... which I have never figured out. Hillary running? She is gonna legalize everyone and give away shit? Lets vote for her!!!!

One would think with all the microscopic media attention.. the GOP would strive to put up better candidates.
 

ivwshane

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America holds the republican candidates up to a very high standard.... unlike the people on the left and democratic candidates... which I have never figured out. Hillary running? She is gonna legalize everyone and give away shit? Lets vote for her!!!!

One would think with all the microscopic media attention.. the GOP would strive to put up better candidates.


Lol! Do you guys hear this poster? He's why the republican candidates are horrible and really stupid, because their base is equally stupid.


OP, in order to have your theory make sense you'd have to show how candidates can benefit from running, that is, how could they utilize donations without violating campaign finance laws (which I was under the impression that campaign money can't be used for personal use).

Off the top of my head one way would be to hire friends and family and pay them handsomely.
 

fskimospy

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America holds the republican candidates up to a very high standard.... unlike the people on the left and democratic candidates... which I have never figured out. Hillary running? She is gonna legalize everyone and give away shit? Lets vote for her!!!!

One would think with all the microscopic media attention.. the GOP would strive to put up better candidates.

Hillary Clinton has far more media attention focused on her than any Republican candidate.

http://www.google.com/trends/explor.../0dpr5f, /m/04tzmt&date=today 12-m&cmpt=q&tz=

Now who has the microscopic media attention? Let me guess, all the attention on her is nice and all the attention on the Republicans is mean. Whatever it takes to maintain the bubble.
 

Newell Steamer

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One would think with all the microscopic media attention..

It's not that the GOP is under a microscope - it's just that it acts like a large lumbering oaf that is always brings attention to itself.

We don't need to look into any deeper or dissect any GOP related behavior to realize what is actually going on. Because typical conservative behavior is contradictory and ergo transparent on what they really mean and want.
 
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Hillary Clinton has far more media attention focused on her than any Republican candidate.

http://www.google.com/trends/explor.../0dpr5f, /m/04tzmt&date=today 12-m&cmpt=q&tz=

Now who has the microscopic media attention? Let me guess, all the attention on her is nice and all the attention on the Republicans is mean. Whatever it takes to maintain the bubble.

To be fair at this time Hillary doesn't need to take many questions. Hillary is essentially running unopposed for now.
 
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I feel the Republican party needs to dump all the slackers & lunatics then come back as the party for small government & states rights. The religious pandering, Tea partiers who essentially don't want government and fighting over nut balls that vote in the primaries is killing the party
 

Mxylplyx

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America holds the republican candidates up to a very high standard.... unlike the people on the left and democratic candidates... which I have never figured out. Hillary running? She is gonna legalize everyone and give away shit? Lets vote for her!!!!

One would think with all the microscopic media attention.. the GOP would strive to put up better candidates.

You are conflating "high standard" with rigid ideological purity, which is really what the right wants, but the establishment wont allow for. The problem with the Republican party in national elections is that the candidates most desirable to the base are utterly un-electable in a general election. Republican candidates that actually hope for a chance of winning it all are faced with this delicate dance of navigating the primaries among the loonies in such a manner that they can actually win the primary without dooming themselves in the general, which is no easy task, and might even be impossible in today's Republican party. Jeb Bush is shaping up to be another Romney, ie the most palatable national candidate in the Republican circus tent that excites pretty much no-one, especially the Republican base. This time there is no black faced boogeyman running to get the racist Republican base all riled up, so I suspect Hillary will win the election quite comfortably.
 

cabri

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Amazong that the House is heavily Republican and the Senate is also.

So at least at the Congressional level, things are being done correctly for them.

Then look at the States.
 

Screech

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It's really quite simple.......the republican primaries are decided by crazy people but the general elections are decided by who the moderates feel like voting for, usually after people who actually decide elections (those with real $$$) have already narrowed down the options to a couple shills. And so you get to where we are today.

edit: this is generally true for presidential (and sometimes statewide) elections but in the house you have an issue where gerrymandering has made a bunch of districts that will vote with something like an 80/20 split for one party or another, and so you have politicians who are more extreme on either side easily being elected. It just so happens that the 'more extreme' democrats are generally (but not always) not all that extreme whereas the 'more extreme' republicans tend to be nutcases.
 
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finglobes

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It seems like they're just running for office to take campaign donations and what not but they have no intention of actually winning the presidency.

At this point, anyone not living under a rock would have to know that running in religious family values is not gonna win votes anymore. They would do much better for themselves if they just focused on economic issues.

What's bad about this is that democrats think they're doing well when the only reason people will vote for them is because their not completely insane.

I agree the excess candidates is a clown show. But.. Actually Dems have been getting shellacked in elections by the "religous values" party (they pretend to have them anyway). Its amazing that GOP can have so many governorships, state houses, Senate, House etc and the Daily Kos crowd thinks the Dems are the apple of eveyone's eye. If they weren't using IRS against people and banking on illegals they would have bad future Well National Journal says they already do alread Democrats' Vanishing Future http://www.nationaljournal.com/against-the-grain/democrats-vanishing-future-20150521
 

rudder

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Hillary Clinton has far more media attention focused on her than any Republican candidate.

http://www.google.com/trends/explor.../0dpr5f, /m/04tzmt&date=today 12-m&cmpt=q&tz=

Now who has the microscopic media attention? Let me guess, all the attention on her is nice and all the attention on the Republicans is mean. Whatever it takes to maintain the bubble.

So Hillary can announce her presidency.... hide from the press for weeks and no one questions her.

When she finally gets in front of the camera for an unscripted media session... she gets asked about classified material in her emails which came to light today.... she dodges the question and the media ignores it. it is just a vast right wing conspiracy going after Hillary because of her private email.... shame on foxnews.
 

Indus

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It's deeper than that.

Republicans long ago hitched their wagon to the racist and xenophobic stars. It began with Goldwater and it was Nixon who deliberately set out to capture the Wallace voters. Lee Atwater refined and perfected the strategy. And, for a while, it succeeded brilliantly. Reagan and both Bushes profited handsomely from their manipulation.

But, something happened along the way. The people whom the Republicans exploited for support actually became the base of the Republican Party. Republicans no longer manipulated the racists and xenophobes; they were owned by them. That is the state of today's Republican Party. It isn't just a party that caters to racists and haters, it is a party composed essentially of them.

That is why Republican candidates like Bush, Rubio and Walker are all competing for the same voters -- voters who are actively looking for candidates who mirror their racism, ignorance and hate. These candidates will pander and pander to the racists and xenophobes in their base.

Pretty much like pandering here on the poor; although still denying it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C32czPO0C0Q
 
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finglobes

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It's deeper than that.

Republicans long ago hitched their wagon to the racist and xenophobic stars. It began with Goldwater and it was Nixon who deliberately set out to capture the Wallace voters. Lee Atwater refined and perfected the strategy. And, for a while, it succeeded brilliantly. Reagan and both Bushes profited handsomely from their manipulation.

But, something happened along the way. The people whom the Republicans exploited for support actually became the base of the Republican Party. Republicans no longer manipulated the racists and xenophobes; they were owned by them. That is the state of today's Republican Party. It isn't just a party that caters to racists and haters, it is a party composed essentially of them.

That is why Republican candidates like Bush, Rubio and Walker are all competing for the same voters -- voters who are actively looking for candidates who mirror their racism, ignorance and hate. These candidates will pander and pander to the racists and xenophobes in their base.

Pretty much like pandering here on the poor; although still denying it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C32czPO0C0Q

Which GOP candidate had a racist preacher for 20 years and was good friends with a Weatherman who said white people needed to be kiiled (not unlike the Panther Obama/Holder let off who is on YouTube calling for murdering white babies)?

Of course lets not forget Obama got into Harvard with help from Khalid al-Mansour, a Saudi advisor who said Jews and Christians deserved to have their noses cut off and God was ok with it. Obama's best buddy Al Sharpton is 100% a racist and convicted liar. Obama and Holder used fake "details" to fan Trayvon Martin and the "hands Up Don't Shoot" fraud. They want racial hostiility (esecally going into an election)

Meanwhile every tea party poll had either Allen West or Herman Cain as their fav candidate. Obama people cant attack anyone over racism when they supprt a big one, Dems were party of slavery and Jim Crow and they are the party of maligant black racism now.
 
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ivwshane

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Froth clean up on post 15. Can we get maintenance to clean up the shit spewed by author of post 15 please? Bring a bucket and a mop, there's tired old right wing talking points all over post 15.

Thank you!

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Which GOP candidate had a racist preacher for 20 years and was good friends with a Weatherman who said white people needed to be kiiled (not unlike the Panther Obama/Holder let off who is on YouTube calling for murdering white babies)?

Of course lets not forget Obama got into Harvard with help from Khalid al-Mansour, a Saudi advisor who said Jews and Christians deserved to have their noses cut off and God was ok with it. Obama's best buddy Al Sharpton is 100% a racist and convicted liar. Obama and Holder used fake "details" to fan Trayvon Martin and the "hands Up Don't Shoot" fraud. They want racial hostiility (esecally going into an election)

Meanwhile every tea party poll had either Allen West or Herman Cain as their fav candidate. Obama people cant attack anyone over racism when they supprt a big one, Dems were party of slavery and Jim Crow and they are the party of maligant black racism now.
 

Moonbeam

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Democrats are stupid. Neuroscience has demonstrated that conservatives only appear to be stupid to liberals even though they are not. A person capable of rational thought, liberals only, to not face up to this scientific fact is a sign of a brain defect.

Conservatives not only understand liberals better than the other way round, they understand what appeals to people politically. Most people are irrational, just like conservatives are. Liberals are too intellectually lofty to dirty their hands by admitting to everyday feelings that most people reflexively have. This constant victory for the lowest common denominator is why the country has gone into the sewer and why Republicans win. It's all down hill because the aim of the conservative ego is to win even if the country goes to hell. This is the CBD, the need to control because of paranoid fear.
 

sportage

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Did I post in this thread yet? Hmmmm Guess not. Here it goes so cover your eyes.

Hillary, actually, has more experience than any of the republican candidates running.
And she really doesn't have to defend herself per se, and especially roll around in the mud like the non experienced republican candidates prefer doing.
Just wait till the republican debates start. Holy Moly Ravioli.

And too, you have to admit the republicans are far more divided and split into partitions than are the democrats.
Obama had some competition (Hillary) back in 2008, but not much.
And that was fairly civil competition between the two.
And while Obama vs Hillary was the name of the game, both were pretty much on the same page policy wise.
Democrats are just more united and content with their candidates positions.
But their huge massive mind blowing problem is getting out their vote.
Democrats, especially the younger crowd that relate to the progressive mindset, just do not vote. And that is the whole pisser for democrats to deal with.

Republicans are very loyal. Extremely loyal. And I'm sure after the smoke clears, whom so ever they chose as their candidate will have the full support of the republican party.
And they will vote. They might hold their nose, but they will still turn out to vote.
You can not say that about the democrats. That is the good news for republicans.

Except... this time as with last time the democrats have history making in their favor.
Last time with race, and this time with gender.
And as I always say, maybe Hillary isn't perfect, but she is plenty good enough.
Hillary is good enough to earn the election, she has the experience, smarts, and I expect a lot of women will back her.
Even republican women will claim they hate her, but quietly vote for her.

No, Hillary doesn't need to roll around in the mud like the republican candidates will.
All she needs to do is rise above the occasion and act like she is a leader.
Give bland answers to Benghazi questions. Bland answers to server questions. Bland answers when asked about emails. Just brush it off and act like who cares.
Pretty much like the people act. Not the media, but the people that support Hillary.
The people really don't give a crap about Hillary's money or fame or who she emailed and how many smart phones she owned or used.

Republicans are split into groups by race, religion, war, gender, and social issue.
Democrats do not have that achilles heel to pull them down.
And not only would I expect the democrat to fairly easily win the presidency in 2016, I expect democrats to take back the senate as well.

If republicans ever want to become mainstream in American politics, they must first purge their politics from religion afflictions. If they could and would do that, doing that might eliminate their problems with social issues, with women, and minorities.
In other words, get with the game plan and grow up.
Act like this is modern day America and not 1950's America.
Because every single one of the current republican candidates running act like this is 1950's America.
And if they think the voters are stuck in that same era, think again fellas.
The court is about to grant marriage equality across America.
Participation in organized religion across America is taking a major hit.
This is not 1950 America, anymore.
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boomerang

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I seem to remember a Republican tidal wave in the last two elections. Everything from the Senate to dog catcher all across the nation. Yet, the OP is under some delusion that Republicans don't win elections?

Democrats could win a whole lot more elections if they weren't so heavily invested in killing Democrat voters before they're even born. Now, they have to import them over our borders.
 

fskimospy

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I seem to remember a Republican tidal wave in the last two elections. Everything from the Senate to dog catcher all across the nation. Yet, the OP is under some delusion that Republicans don't win elections?

Democrats could win a whole lot more elections if they weren't so heavily invested in killing Democrat voters before they're even born. Now, they have to import them over our borders.

You have a very poor memory.
 

fskimospy

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So Hillary can announce her presidency.... hide from the press for weeks and no one questions her.

When she finally gets in front of the camera for an unscripted media session... she gets asked about classified material in her emails which came to light today.... she dodges the question and the media ignores it. it is just a vast right wing conspiracy going after Hillary because of her private email.... shame on foxnews.

I love how seamlessly you can shift from one media conspiracy to another without ever admitting the change.
 

cabri

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Classified documents only exist AFTER they are being released.

Allows better quality redacting.
 

nickqt

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I seem to remember a Republican tidal wave in the last two elections. Everything from the Senate to dog catcher all across the nation. Yet, the OP is under some delusion that Republicans don't win elections?

Democrats could win a whole lot more elections if they weren't so heavily invested in killing Democrat voters before they're even born. Now, they have to import them over our borders.
Does it physically hurt being as stupid as you are?

Hint: your team got shellacked in 2012 and will again in 2016.

Y'all win in midterms.