Given the obvious discrepancies in academic performance between different races, is it possible that it's due to genetic factors..or simply because of other factors such as culture/ideologies?
Are some races just genetically more intelligent than others?
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Geekbabe
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Is the question:
Asians are gentically superior to caucasions?
I'd be willing to accept that... I'd also be willing to accept that their culture values education strongly and, as a result, they tend to study more and make a serious commitment to education. More than the lazy caucasions.
On a completely unrelated note, do you think the Simpsons would have survived if they were a family of black people?
Asians are gentically superior to caucasions?
I'd be willing to accept that... I'd also be willing to accept that their culture values education strongly and, as a result, they tend to study more and make a serious commitment to education. More than the lazy caucasions.
On a completely unrelated note, do you think the Simpsons would have survived if they were a family of black people?
You're kidding, right???
If the Simpsons were black, the ACLU woulda been all over Fox for showing Blacks in a bad light. Homer strangling Bart would have led to all kinds of lawsuits.
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You cannot ask this question, because if you do you are racist.
Is it true? I seriously doubt it.
Is it true? I seriously doubt it.
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Very likely, and I won't get into it because a lot of people simply can't keep a straight head when talking about it because of PC. intelligence is considered by most a combination of nature and nurture. Nurture aside, nature/genetics do make up a portion of intelligence. Since there have been proven physical differences between certain races in regards to stature, physical strength, propensity to develop certain illnesses, etc. etc, I find it quite unlikely that physical differences there cannot or have not propogated themselves in peoples' brains as well.
If you take it further and follow survival of the fittest it seems to me that a ruthless tribe of people in one area of the world that has been around for 2000 years and favors strength above all else is going to be stronger than a tribe of people who favor a more cognitive approach to life including science and things of that sort.
I suspect that those who are quick to respond saying no are doing so not because they've thought about the issue in depth but because it's the PC response, and anything else can be deemed by those who know nothing about it as racist. That's my $.02!
Oops, I got into it
If you take it further and follow survival of the fittest it seems to me that a ruthless tribe of people in one area of the world that has been around for 2000 years and favors strength above all else is going to be stronger than a tribe of people who favor a more cognitive approach to life including science and things of that sort.
I suspect that those who are quick to respond saying no are doing so not because they've thought about the issue in depth but because it's the PC response, and anything else can be deemed by those who know nothing about it as racist. That's my $.02!
Oops, I got into it
Siddhartha
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Siddhartha
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Possibly.
Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray, previously very respected in their fields, all but ruined their careers by asking this question in The Bell Curve and concluded more study was required.
In spite of The Bell Curve containing more than ample cautionary statements that should have precluded or blunted ad hominem attacks, in addition to their impeccable credentials and complete absence of any previous history that might suggest bigotry, the authors were accused of everything from being advocates of modern Nazi Eugenics to closet members of the KKK. The race was on to discredit Herrnstein, Murray, the Bell Curve, and to silence anyone who dared ask such a question, but no effort has been made to answer the questions they raised.
The Bell Curve adequately proved there are real patterns that seem to defy all explanation under the 'socioeconomic' hypothesis. In addition, there is other evidence revealing that middle-class black students consistently lag behind even poor white students whom could not be said to have the same socioeconomic advantages (see William Raspberry, John Ogbu, Shelby Steele, Signithia Fordham, et. al.).
But don't expect there to be any further serious scholarship on the matter by anyone but those with some kind of professional death wish.
I disagree. If black leaders are making a stink over this Ghettopoly, then they would surely have a problem with a black Simpson show.
BTW, that ghettopoly is funny
Academically, I would say it's possible. Cognitive ability (eg: ability to manipulate 3 dimensional objects in your mind) certainly has a genetic component. On the other hand, I think it would be virtually impossible to draw any real global correlation between median IQ and median income. More locally, the economic disparity in america between races has a lot more to do with education and opportunity than cognitive ability.
Listen everyone here is smart. Everyone is smarter at something than an other it's what you're smart at. They're isn't only book smart you know.
From a scientific point of view, there is no question that this could be true. Intelligence has a genetic component and we know the some genetically related characteristics vary by race. However, two facts make this a meaningless question:
1. This cannot be tested. It is impossible to design an intelligence test which will mask all impacts of environment and culture.
2. It wouldn't have any practical effect on society. People behave and interact on an individual basis, not a racial basis. The variability of intelligence and any other relevant attribute are much greater than any racial distribution factor could ever be. Therefore, you cannot make reliable decisions based on race regardless of any genetic effects.
1. This cannot be tested. It is impossible to design an intelligence test which will mask all impacts of environment and culture.
2. It wouldn't have any practical effect on society. People behave and interact on an individual basis, not a racial basis. The variability of intelligence and any other relevant attribute are much greater than any racial distribution factor could ever be. Therefore, you cannot make reliable decisions based on race regardless of any genetic effects.
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Now you're really introducing a lot into the issue
If you have one group who is smarter than another it doesn't even mean the first is genetically superior. The second may have greater longevity and constitution or physical prowess.
tcsenter is quite right. Even in this thread I haven't seen any sort of explanation as to why all races would be of equal intelligence, and there are plenty of reasons to think that not all races are the same, some of which I've mentioned. Discussing the subject is all but taboo in society because if you even mention the possibility of one race being smarter than another you better watch out for racist accusations flung your way.
You can generalize. If you knew that race A was generally more intelligent than race B (and you're right it's difficult to qualify this, but just because success has been limited so far it doesn't mean that one day we can't find an accurate measure of intelligence - if we can agree on what defines it
) and you were interviewing somebody you may pick race A vs. B if your decision was otherwise up in the air. Of course that wouldn't be a nice thing to do and since every race has their fair share of geniuses and idiots I don't really believe that society as a whole would benefit if we could prove beyond reasonable doubt that one particular race was smarter than another.But just because we can't yet prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt, and just because society wouldn't likely benefit from it, doesn't mean that it's still possible, as you also mentioned...
What DNA says about human ancestry.
I think it would be fair to say that some cultures are better than others at raising their children intelligently (hence the preponderance of stupid people among the "white trash" subspecies, which more accurately could be labeled as "trailer trash").
If you really want the answer to this question, try google (like the above) and you'll find that from a genetic standpoint, the whole concept of race is a soundly debunked myth. Interesting to see how many AT'ers are still ignorant racists though!
I think it would be fair to say that some cultures are better than others at raising their children intelligently (hence the preponderance of stupid people among the "white trash" subspecies, which more accurately could be labeled as "trailer trash").
Um, the ACLU is a civil liberties organization, not a black advocacy group. Are you thinking of the NAACP?
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