Are socialism and corporatism a revolt against nature?

[sandorski]

The priest caste kept things in check intra-societally, though. It was not to their benefit for the sheep to loose their chains and tear down everything around them, so they kept the definition of "God" in chains.
But now we have no priest caste. Now even the dumbest of the dumb is a god unto himself. And we have jokers like Conservative Talk telling them that they are gods -- that whatever they feel is Truth. They do so because they believe that they can effectively manipulate what they feel. But that's fucking retarded -- there's no leverage in talk to maintain control. You lose control eventually and then the retards are running amok.
You do not break things up into an inherently unstable system just for a local, temporary gain. Stupid people need smart people to tell them what to do. That's just the nature of stupidity -- they can't manage on their own.

I don't necessarily agree with the terminology, but agree on the basic premise(s). Most people are not "Stupid", they are just Ignorant. Usually because they are too busy to have contemplated or received the Education necessary to grasp certain concepts/ideas/skills.

 

[sandorski]

There's no need to prove god exists, as with all things the default position is that he does not. It is up to those who say he does exist to prove it. This of course, has never been done.

You are hardly the person to be talking shit about other people's methods of argumentation.

Fear the Great Unknown!

 

[SparkyJJO]

There's no need to prove god exists, as with all things the default position is that he does not. It is up to those who say he does exist to prove it. This of course, has never been done.

You are hardly the person to be talking shit about other people's methods of argumentation.

"Default position" ? So who decided that?

I still find it a little amusing (and sad, really) that people can look around at the universe, look at how intricately detailed it is, and how everything works, and the sheer complexity of it, and say with a straight face that it is all the results of random occurrences. Seriously?

 

[sandorski]

"Default position" ? So who decided that?

Elementary Logic.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Elementary Logic.

Which is an arbitrary term.

As for myself I would find the artificial constraints of such a thing intellectually limiting.

My perspective is that I cannot accept a literal interpretation of a Biblical six day creation because there is scientific evidence against it. There is the possibility that a god created the earth to appear old, and I philosophically reject a deceptive supreme being.

On the other hand I admit the possibility of a superior entity existing. I can conceive of it, there is no good argument against it, and therefore I do not discount it.

There are many potential truths.

 

[Steeplerot]

The question would be better asked are neoliberal economies and state capitalism inherently doomed to be undemocratic.

The answer is both are signs of capitalism in decline. Or sick/unhealthy depending on your perspective.

Social mobility and how much wealth is concentrated by the top is a simple real world gauge.

 

[DominionSeraph]

"Default position" ? So who decided that?

Pragmatism.

Prove that there isn't an invisible, intangible, two-winged fairy flying around my head. Prove that there isn't an invisible, intangible, three-winged fairy flying around my head. Prove that there isn't an invisible, intangible, four-winged fairy flying around my head.
Is the default to believe that all of them exist?

Now prove that there isn't an invisible, intangible, five-winged fairy flying around my head whose existence is incompatible with the existence of the previous three.

See, theists just want to cherry-pick. They're happy unbelieving in everything else for which there is no evidence of existence, but when it comes to their gods, suddenly the rules change.
Sorry, but the rules do not change just because you're attached to your fairy tale. Your proposition is no different from any other. Just because Mommy and Daddy told you it was true doesn't make it so. Just because you would be a babe in the woods if you lost such a simplistic little contained structure doesn't mean that reality cannot be far, far greater.

Atheism is not for everyone. If you don't have brains you'll probably end up with some really stupid beliefs if you try to put reality together on your own. But this does not mean that who are better suited to the simplistic models of theism should believe that theism has a strong relationship to reality. Y'all should recognize that it's simply a crutch you have to use to get by, and move out of the way when those of us who aren't handicapped come strutting through.
Slower traffic should keep right.

 

[fskimospy]

"Default position" ? So who decided that?

I still find it a little amusing (and sad, really) that people can look around at the universe, look at how intricately detailed it is, and how everything works, and the sheer complexity of it, and say with a straight face that it is all the results of random occurrences. Seriously?

Uhmm, rational thought decided that. If you don't accept that all things are false until proven true, you should start spending your days proving false the magic teapot, the flying spaghetti monster, and any other randomly retarded thing some person might think up.

If you're going to go that way, I would ask that you disprove the flying spaghetti monster before replying about anything else.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

We are products of nature. Any society we create is, by definition, natural.

 

[Anarchist420]

The question would be better asked are neoliberal economies and state capitalism inherently doomed to be undemocratic.

The answer is both are signs of capitalism in decline. Or sick/unhealthy depending on your perspective.

Social mobility and how much wealth is concentrated by the top is a simple real world gauge.

libertarians are anti-neoliberalism, which has to do with Ron Paul always getting lower ratings from the Chamber of Commerce than the President, the VP, and the State Sec.

NAFTA is not free trade. It's regulated trade.
Repeal of Glass Stegall is neoliberalism and is very antilibertarian.
Fractional reserve banking is neoliberalism/state capitalism. People who support fractional reserve banking and government-produced currency are not laissez-faire capitalists.

Apparently, people love to revolt against the laws of Nature and of Nature's God, because they prefer neoliberalism or socialism or both over laisezz-faire capitalism, AND IT PISSES ME OFF! How do I know that neoliberalism is popular? Because Mitt Romney and Mr Obama are going to defeat Dr. Paul. It really fucking sucks for me that fascism is so popular. All most people are is a bunch of fascists who don't care about individual liberty and who endorse slavery.

 

[fskimospy]

libertarians are anti-neoliberalism, which has to do with Ron Paul always getting lower ratings from the Chamber of Commerce than the President, the VP, and the State Sec.

NAFTA is not free trade. It's regulated trade.
Repeal of Glass Stegall is neoliberalism and is very antilibertarian.
Fractional reserve banking is neoliberalism/state capitalism. People who support fractional reserve banking and government-produced currency are not laissez-faire capitalists.

Apparently, people love to revolt against the laws of Nature and of Nature's God, because they prefer neoliberalism or socialism or both over laisezz-faire capitalism, AND IT PISSES ME OFF! How do I know that neoliberalism is popular? Because Mitt Romney and Mr Obama are going to defeat Dr. Paul. It really fucking sucks for me that fascism is so popular. All most people are is a bunch of fascists who don't care about individual liberty and who endorse slavery.

It really sucks for us that you continue to post. Maybe you should go back to college, because it's pretty clear you didn't learn much the first time.

 

[Steeplerot]

libertarians are anti-neoliberalism, which has to do with Ron Paul always getting lower ratings from the Chamber of Commerce than the President, the VP, and the State Sec.

NAFTA is not free trade. It's regulated trade.
Repeal of Glass Stegall is neoliberalism and is very antilibertarian.
Fractional reserve banking is neoliberalism/state capitalism. People who support fractional reserve banking and government-produced currency are not laissez-faire capitalists.

Apparently, people love to revolt against the laws of Nature and of Nature's God, because they prefer neoliberalism or socialism or both over laisezz-faire capitalism, AND IT PISSES ME OFF! How do I know that neoliberalism is popular? Because Mitt Romney and Mr Obama are going to defeat Dr. Paul. It really fucking sucks for me that fascism is so popular. All most people are is a bunch of fascists who don't care about individual liberty and who endorse slavery.

Its amazing how little you understand simple terminology and default to bullshit bumper sticker phrases like personal liberty. Go find jesus with Ron Paul.

Don't be mad pull your head from your ass and lose the conspiracy crap and libertarian crackpot stuff. You obviously like reading try filling your head with something other then shit before it rots. It may sound harsh but you seem like a curious bright guy on some levels.