Are socialism and corporatism a revolt against nature?

[Anarchist420]

I think they are. Governments aren't supposed to exist in nature and some people are just brighter and/or work harder than others so having a government favor some people over others is a revolt against the laws of Nature and of nature's God.

If we were all equal, what fun would that be? Everyone would be the same! I think one day though, there will be some scientist who tries to make everyone the same.

Nothing bothers me more than when inequality and equality are legislated.

Your thoughts?

 

[MikeMike]

HUH?

The only ones who think we are all equal in every way, are those that are not smart enough to see the error in that. We are after all just animals.

 

[Atreus21]

I think any ideology that argues against economic freedom is a revolt against nature.

 

[ncalipari]

lol.

So if you get sick, you shouldn't be cured, because it's "against nature law"?



Going on the moon is against nature law, or build a skyscraper is against nature law.

 

[jackstar7]

boop

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Nature is where I kill you and take your stuff.

 

[zephyrprime]

Considering how even small tribes have governments, I don't see how government is against nature. Once again Anarchist420 shows that he is a ideologue completely detached from reality. Even wolf packs and chick flocks have leaders (and then there's insect colonies which are totalitarian). Human governments are just a more advanced extension of these more primitive phenomena.

As far as being a revolt against nature, I don't see how it's any more a revolt against nature than insect colonies where some insects are more favored than others.

 

[Scotteq]

"From the naturalistic point of view, all men are equal. There are only two exceptions to this rule of naturalistic equality: geniuses and idiots."

Mikhail Bakunin


Read into that what you will.



Also -
Paraphrase

Equality is not attailable. For what men value most are not rights, but priveledges.

 

[Siddhartha]

OP,

How would you set up your ideal society?

 

[sMiLeYz]

op is the best AT troll ever

 

[Siddhartha]

Typhoid fever, Polio, killing your neighbors, etc are nature. What exactly do you mean by nature? Or are you writing anything that you think even remotely supports your idealogy

 

[Jaskalas]

Nature... natural...

One might argue that societal constructs are unnatural, and that simplistic human behaviors such as killing off the competition is our natural state. Lord knows we still try.

Perhaps you chose your words poorly.

Nothing bothers me more than when inequality and equality are legislated.

I see your meaning now. What the title should have read is:
Are socialism and corporatism a revolt against liberty?

Which case of course they are. ALL centralized forcing is a power grab against the will of the people. Is anti-Democratic, a revolt against liberty. Though do not mistake liberty for natural instinct.

Our instincts are quite primitive and violent. If you look at tribalism the Alpha simply kills anyone he wants and its everyone else's job to please him. So you see, liberty is NOT human nature. It is a precious and vital societal construct that must be guarded from nature.

Top down government models are what come natural, they're also the antithesis of everything this country was founded on. Yet they happen to be the easy solution to just about everything these days. If you've got a problem the answer is to dictate the solution from the top down. Quite a sad state of affairs.

 

[Capt Caveman]

The OP is a freak of nature...

 

[DaveSimmons]

Alpha wolf tells beta wolf to have the pack rend you asunder. He complies. Problem solved through good governance.

Do wolves understand the value of specie-backed representative money?

 

[SparkyJJO]

I think the OP's username and post fit together very well.

 

[Throckmorton]

In nature humans get a chief or king who owns all his subjects and all wealth in his realm. Just like the corporatist Republican's ideal business.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Corporatism is the last step before a full on bloody revolt; eat the rich. Then shit them out to fertilize a newly planted olive tree.

 

[sandorski]

Any Economics is a Revolt against Nature. Even the most strict Luddite is still revolting against Nature. It is the Default position of being Human.

It is this fact that the original coiners of the Biblical Creation Myth were trying to make. Unfortunately Mystics and those into Mystical Thinking have completely missed the point.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Everything is natural.

/thread.

Nothing bothers me more than when inequality and equality are legislated.

Your thoughts?

The reactions of an idiot to a concept have no bearing on the concept. The originating concept is independent of idiotic interpretation.
IOW, you are irrelevant.

 

[Anarchist420]

Any Economics is a Revolt against Nature. Even the most strict Luddite is still revolting against Nature. It is the Default position of being Human.

It is this fact that the original coiners of the Biblical Creation Myth were trying to make. Unfortunately Mystics and those into Mystical Thinking have completely missed the point.

Do you have any absolute proof that creationism never happened? I read 50 "proofs" or so as to why Goad doesn't exist, and every single one of them was laughably irrational. Atheists claim to be the rationalists, yet at the same time, they seem to think there is absolute proof that life came from non life.

Be afraid of God, be very afraid. Nature's God doesn't like people who want more "fiscal stimulus".

 

[DominionSeraph]

Be afraid of God

Who's that? Could you please point out the object you're referring to?

Oh gee darn, you can't. Because YOU HAVE NO GOD. What you have is an imaginary friend, and I have no cause to fear the imaginary as a source unto itself.

 

[sandorski]

Who's that? Could you please point out the object you're referring to?

Oh gee darn, you can't. Because YOU HAVE NO GOD. What you have is an imaginary friend, and I have no cause to fear the imaginary as a source unto itself.

"God" is the Universal excuse to blow shit up based upon nefarious reasons rooted in Intolerance and Hate. It Loves You, but only if you Hate the correct things.

 

[DominionSeraph]

"God" is the Universal excuse to blow shit up based upon nefarious reasons rooted in Intolerance and Hate. It Loves You, but only if you Hate the correct things.

The priest caste kept things in check intra-societally, though. It was not to their benefit for the sheep to loose their chains and tear down everything around them, so they kept the definition of "God" in chains.
But now we have no priest caste. Now even the dumbest of the dumb is a god unto himself. And we have jokers like Conservative Talk telling them that they are gods -- that whatever they feel is Truth. They do so because they believe that they can effectively manipulate what they feel. But that's fucking retarded -- there's no leverage in talk to maintain control. You lose control eventually and then the retards are running amok.
You do not break things up into an inherently unstable system just for a local, temporary gain. Stupid people need smart people to tell them what to do. That's just the nature of stupidity -- they can't manage on their own.

 

[Throckmorton]

Do you have any absolute proof that creationism never happened? I read 50 "proofs" or so as to why Goad doesn't exist, and every single one of them was laughably irrational. Atheists claim to be the rationalists, yet at the same time, they seem to think there is absolute proof that life came from non life.

Be afraid of God, be very afraid. Nature's God doesn't like people who want more "fiscal stimulus".

He's saying that the story of Adam and Eve is an allegorical parable for humans' departure from nature by gaining the ability to reason.

 

[fskimospy]

Do you have any absolute proof that creationism never happened? I read 50 "proofs" or so as to why Goad doesn't exist, and every single one of them was laughably irrational. Atheists claim to be the rationalists, yet at the same time, they seem to think there is absolute proof that life came from non life.

Be afraid of God, be very afraid. Nature's God doesn't like people who want more "fiscal stimulus".

There's no need to prove god exists, as with all things the default position is that he does not. It is up to those who say he does exist to prove it. This of course, has never been done.

You are hardly the person to be talking shit about other people's methods of argumentation.