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Are single SATA drives are hot pluggable on XP?

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It's native to the technology. Hot-swappability, that is. I'm not sure why people are saying it's not possible. It IS possible. The only time you run into problems is if the OS is actively reading or writing that drive when you unplug it. That said, the enclosure is bad. Why does it work on another PC? Well, you said it used to work on THIS PC. Sometimes parts flake out like that. Some aspect of one controller that the other doesn't have or some way the controller handles the drive, it doesn't matter. It's not normal.
 
Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
It's native to the technology. Hot-swappability, that is. I'm not sure why people are saying it's not possible. It IS possible. The only time you run into problems is if the OS is actively reading or writing that drive when you unplug it. That said, the enclosure is bad. Why does it work on another PC? Well, you said it used to work on THIS PC. Sometimes parts flake out like that. Some aspect of one controller that the other doesn't have or some way the controller handles the drive, it doesn't matter. It's not normal.
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You just said in your last post it was NOT possible:
I've never had a SATA drive hot swap regardless of PC, enclosure or no enclosure.

On the bad enclosure....on my main PC it was on the Promise ATA133 IDE port. On other PC's, it was on the native IDE controllers. I guess that's why. For some reason, it's no longer working on the Promise controller, but works on the Native controller on other PC's. I guess I should check it on the typical IDE connectors on my main PC and see what happens.
 
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BTW, what happens is my main PC won't even boot. It won't even get past the POST screen when that enclosure is connected.
 
Originally posted by: dguy6789
As long as it is not your boot drive(the one windows is on) and windows is not reading or writing to it, and it is on sata. Then you should be able to unplug it while your computer is on with no problems. SATA was meant to be usb for harddrives pretty much, so yes.
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Thanks, and thanks to Jonny as well.
 
Originally posted by: computer
Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
It's native to the technology. Hot-swappability, that is. I'm not sure why people are saying it's not possible. It IS possible. The only time you run into problems is if the OS is actively reading or writing that drive when you unplug it. That said, the enclosure is bad. Why does it work on another PC? Well, you said it used to work on THIS PC. Sometimes parts flake out like that. Some aspect of one controller that the other doesn't have or some way the controller handles the drive, it doesn't matter. It's not normal.
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You just said in your last post it was NOT possible:
I've never had a SATA drive hot swap regardless of PC, enclosure or no enclosure.

On the bad enclosure....on my main PC it was on the Promise ATA133 IDE port. On other PC's, it was on the native IDE controllers. I guess that's why. For some reason, it's no longer working on the Promise controller, but works on the Native controller on other PC's. I guess I should check it on the typical IDE connectors on my main PC and see what happens.
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Sorry. I missed type. Double negatives are a bitch that way.

I meant to say, I've never had an SATA drive NOT hot swap.

 
Originally posted by: jonnyGURU
Sorry. I missed type. Double negatives are a bitch that way.

I meant to say, I've never had an SATA drive NOT hot swap.
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Ok I gotcha, thanks. So, what do you all think about the power source? Would it have to be external/isolated or would the PC's PS work with no problems?
 
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The PC's power supply will work fine. In fact, I used to have a little bracket that you could put in the back of your case that allowed you to plug 5V and 12V devices into. Unlike what some people may say, your power supply isn't going to care if you add a load to it hot. In fact, your PC's power supply deals with sudden load increased all of the time.
 
Originally posted by: computer
Originally posted by: JBT
I'm pretty sure most SATA drives and definalty the SATA II drivers are hot swappable. The thing that I think matters is the SATA chipset, some support it some don't.
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Do you mean the chipset on the mobo or on the HD?
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mobo
 
Well contrary to what I was told here, SATA is not hot pluggable. I just paid for an external SATA bracket and power connector, plugged a WD740 up to it (hooked to the ICH5 controller on a P4C800-E Deluxe), and NOTHING. It's not seen in the Device Manager, nor under "Disk Management" in Computer Management.
 
Originally posted by: AWhackWhiteBoy
thats pretty depressing, what SATA controller is it? is the drive formated? i've actually hot swapped a few IDEs back in the day.
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I mentioned in my post it was on the ICH5(R) controller. Yeah, the drive is formatted and XP is on it. I know an OS boot drive isn't going to show the same way as a blank or storage drive, but it should at least have shown up under the "Disk Management" area.

How are you hot swapping an IDE drive, is that on XP or '98?

 
Originally posted by: computer
Originally posted by: membreya
Using an EPOX 8KDAJ and my SATA drive (WD 120gb) shows up as a removable device 🙂
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But is it hot pluggable or hot swappable?
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Hot pluggable as far as I can tell, I will let you know when I get my 200gb SATA.
 
Maybe I should mention the drive I tried was not in any type of enclosure, it was just the bare drive laid on my desk. I hooked to it the SATA cable and power from that external bracket I mentioned. I don't think the lack of any enclosure would matter. I'm not talking about the open back type, of course that would not matter, but the closed back type where the drive connects internally to the enclosure, then, the enclosure connects to the mobo's SATA (either directly or via external bracket).

This is the bracket I'm talking about:
http://store.yahoo.com/directron/mfok301.html
Since it has SATA on it, then what's it for?
 
Originally posted by: membreya
Originally posted by: computer
Originally posted by: membreya
Using an EPOX 8KDAJ and my SATA drive (WD 120gb) shows up as a removable device 🙂
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But is it hot pluggable or hot swappable?
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Hot pluggable as far as I can tell, I will let you know when I get my 200gb SATA.
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So, with the PC running you can hook it up and it's seen, and disconnect it and it "disconnects" with no problems? Is it in any type of an enclosure? (And I assume this is XP?)

 
Interesting scanario, my system has no internal hard drive. I have a SATA and an IDE rack, and boot to whatever's in it. My test machine, however, has the USB symbol in system tray. The indicated "removeable" drives are a SATA hdd and dvd-r, but I've never tried to stop then remove them. I shall try this when I get to work where that machine is at. I will report back.
 
Originally posted by: Horsepower
Interesting scanario, my system has no internal hard drive. I have a SATA and an IDE rack, and boot to whatever's in it. My test machine, however, has the USB symbol in system tray. The indicated "removeable" drives are a SATA hdd and dvd-r, but I've never tried to stop then remove them. I shall try this when I get to work where that machine is at. I will report back.
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Thanks. Is your SATA drive true SATA and connected to the SATA controller, or is it an SATA drive converted to FW or USB? I has to be the latter if it shows up in the System Tray since that's where USB and FW drives reside.

 
Originally posted by: membreya
yup....but only if I have it as a non-system drive, otherwise it won't let me stop it
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I don't understand this. This evidently must be mobo dependent. When I get the time, I'm going to format the WD740 then try it again, but I don't think that's going to matter for me, since like I said even an OS boot drive will show under Disk Management.
 
Originally posted by: computer
Originally posted by: membreya
yup....but only if I have it as a non-system drive, otherwise it won't let me stop it
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I don't understand this. This evidently must be mobo dependent. When I get the time, I'm going to format the WD740 then try it again, but I don't think that's going to matter for me, since like I said even an OS boot drive will show under Disk Management.
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It's up to the controller, not the motherboard (although obviously if the controller is on the motherboard, then it is, by default, motherboard-dependent).

SATA controllers can support hot-swap and hot-plug capabilities, but do not have to. You may need to add a PCI SATA controller to get this functionality in some systems. I'm also not sure how well Windows handles *adding* new drives as opposed to unplugging and then replacing drives once the system is online. I would think they would just show up in Disk Management, but I've never tried it.

Thanks. Is your SATA drive true SATA and connected to the SATA controller, or is it an SATA drive converted to FW or USB? I has to be the latter if it shows up in the System Tray since that's where USB and FW drives reside.
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You evidently haven't seen the posts from people complaining that their SATA drives show up in the system tray with a "Remove Hardware Safely" icon because Windows thinks they're hot-swappable. 😛
 
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: computer
Originally posted by: membreya
yup....but only if I have it as a non-system drive, otherwise it won't let me stop it
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I don't understand this. This evidently must be mobo dependent. When I get the time, I'm going to format the WD740 then try it again, but I don't think that's going to matter for me, since like I said even an OS boot drive will show under Disk Management.
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It's up to the controller, not the motherboard (although obviously if the controller is on the motherboard, then it is, by default, motherboard-dependent).

SATA controllers can support hot-swap and hot-plug capabilities, but do not have to. You may need to add a PCI SATA controller to get this functionality in some systems. I'm also not sure how well Windows handles *adding* new drives as opposed to unplugging and then replacing drives once the system is online. I would think they would just show up in Disk Management, but I've never tried it.

Thanks. Is your SATA drive true SATA and connected to the SATA controller, or is it an SATA drive converted to FW or USB? I has to be the latter if it shows up in the System Tray since that's where USB and FW drives reside.
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You evidently haven't seen the posts from people complaining that their SATA drives show up in the system tray with a "Remove Hardware Safely" icon because Windows thinks they're hot-swappable. 😛
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No, I don't have the time to read posts here. 😉 I've never heard of this. This is on SATA controllers, or SATA drives converted to USB or FireWire? I've built many XP PC's w/SATA drives and not once have they shown up in the System Tray while on an SATA controller. They of course show up there if they are USB or FW though.
 
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