Originally posted by: spittledip
The problem we have here is a lack of understanding of clinical terms and diagnosis on your part. That is not a statement that is meant to be rude, but it is just very clear from your posts. One of the things that makes this clearis your use of the term "sociopath" as it is not really a term used much anymore clinically.
Also, to use the term "Antisocial" is not the same as saying someone is diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder. The same goes for Narcissism. To say someone is Narcissistic is much different that saying someone is diagnosed with NPD. You are not understanding the actual diagnosis.
As far as percentages, 1 to 3% is very rare. Of course how they came up with that number is questionable. You have to wonder what the population was that they studied, and you have to wonder how many were misdiagnosed, or depending on the means they got the data, if it was self-report (via questionnaire or something) how many people did not correctly answer, etc. Psychology is far from hard science b/c it depends on accurate explanation and reporting on things that are not exactly measurable. Among a host of other things.
REgarding your politician relative, if we were to really minimize a diagnosis and take a stab at it, there is probably no way he would make a diagnosis for APD:
1. We assume he meets these 2 criteria:
a. Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure.
b. Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another.
and also meet one of the following:
a. Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest.
b. Impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
c. Irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
d. Reckless disregard for safety of self or others
e. Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations.
Regarding each of the 5 criteria:
a. Has he been arrested much? Is he breaking the law often?
b. Is his life characterized by lack of planning or thinking things through?
c. Is he getting into alot of physical confrontations?
d. this one speaks for itself
e. Is his life characterized by an inability to maintain commitments or "hold his end of the deal"?
I can guess that if he is a politician, (a.) he probably would not have been able to get elected if he had an extensive criminal history
(b.) he would have had to planned ahead some to get where he is
(c.) again, would have had trouble getting elected if he is a regular brawler and especially irritable beyond reasonable explanation
(d.) you might be able to squeeze this one out due to lack of applicable circumstances
(e.) see (b.) and (c.) for similar explanation
So, to make a light case for it, you can see what a stretch it would be (or at least I hope you can see) to diagnose a politician with APD.
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For NPD it is much easier (but at the same time doubtful):
1. has a grandiose sense of self-importance
2. is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique
4. requires excessive admiration
5. has a sense of entitlement
6. is interpersonally exploitative
7. lacks empathy
8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
The problem here is that you would have to get a lot more information via testing and self report in order to make a diagnosis, or you could make alot of assumptions... which is not recommended
But, from that list, one imagines that politicians meet alot of those criteria. But, even if they seem to meet some of the criteria, the clinching actor is: are they as a person DEFINED by those characteristics? If not, then you don't have a diagnosis. On top of that, they have to meet 5 of the criteria. And again, it is much more complicated than just all that.