Are peace and wide spread god belief compatable.

[Sclamoz]

Actually, without the west, the extremists are margianlized groups in the Muslim world, almost entire occupied with trying to radicalize fellow Muslims, not the rest of the world.

If you don't understand 8 years later that 9/11 was an attack by extremists aimed at moderate Muslims by trying to get the US to react and turn moderates into extremists, you haven't paid much attention.

I understand that was their stated goal. It doesn't change anything, al-qeada attacked us multiple times before 9/11, responding military was the only option. The opinions and goals of extremists don't shape US foreign policy and they shouldn't.

Nothing the little ragtag A; Queda could do could radicalize almost any of the rest of the Muslim world. They were in danger, widely opposed. How cold they get their fellow Muslims converted to extremism? The US was the most powerful nation in the world, and non-Muslim, with a history of exploiting the Middle East. If IT would attack a Muslim nation that could drive huge numbers of Muslims into the arms of the extremists, much the way the USSR had united Afghans against it.

But how do you get the US to invade a Muslim nation and piss off huge numbers of people? It's not easy. or wait, maybe it is: with an attack they can't ignore.

There was no other purpose for 9/11. It had no meaningful impact on the US as far as making it lose its position of worldd leader, lose irreplacable resources, etc.

The *only* purpose of 9/11 was to provoke the US to respond militarily.

Both the Clinton Administration and the Bush Administration have been criticized for failing to respond militarily to the attack on the USS Cole before 11 September 2001. The 9-11 Commission Report cites one source who said in February 2001, "[bin Laden] complained frequently that the United States had not yet attacked [in response to the Cole]... Bin Laden wanted the United States to attack, and if it did not he would launch something bigger."

Al-Qeada would simply keep up attacking us if we did not respond, each attack getting them status and new recruits. They would have no shortage no matter what we did:

A Sunday Times survey taken in UK shortly after the 9/11 attack "revealed that 40% of British Muslims believe Osama bin Laden was right to attack the United States. About the same proportion think that British Muslims have a right to fight alongside the Taliban. A radio station serving London's Pakistani community conducted a poll which 98% of London Muslims under 45 said they would not fight for Britain, while 48% said they would fight for bin Laden."

And that was from the UK, a western country.

In your long post you never point out your alternative to fighting al-qeada. Do we just keep our heads down and hope they move on to hating someone else more? Maybe we should just convert to Islam?

 

[Zebo]

Liberals will continue to deny the threat to civilization posed by Islam, radical or otherwise, until the moment their heads come away from their bodies. It reminds me of 1979 when liberal college students who aided the Revolution and the look on their faces on TV as they were led away to their deaths, the look of shock & surprise. For if there is one thing they hate more than Christians and Jews who are allowed quarter in Islam it's unbelievers.

 

[Robor]

Uhm...no?

Provide me one instance where THEY (not the US media) have rationalized attacks through religion.

There's a reason that suicide bombings are 10 times more likely to happen in areas where US soldiers are staged than in other areas, and it isn't religion. If it was, the Muslims already in the states would be suicide bombing everyone everywhere everyday. They don't like us because of what we're doing, not who we are. There are very strong cases that pin the attacks on the WTC on our staging troops on the Saudi penninsula. And, honestly, that makes a hell of a lot more sense than some obscure, incorporeal abject hatred of Western life.

Are you high? They were angry that we were in SA because we're infidels. Do you know what jihad means?

 

[Craig234]

Yes they are - And Thai Buddhist monks who are killed at a 2000 a year clip by Muslims in Southern Thailand.

This not a case of Middle Eastern extremist Muslims targetting any Thais. This is a separatist movement within Thailand by a group that happens to be Muslim, who has used religion for recruiting.

And yes you did. Jefferson is famous for studying Islam to defeat the Barbary Pirates who took hundreds of our ships, booty, sold it's passengers into slavery on Algiers slave market. Then you have Moro wars.

This has nothing to do with religious extremists. This was not the Middle Eastern Muslims sending over Muslim pirates to attack the US for religious reasons.

The US faces many types of pirates, including fro European nations. One Muslim nation had pirates who were, surprise, Muslim.

How did the founding fathers respond to this? With a 'war of civilizations'?

No, they pursued peace with the Muslim nation in a treaty, and the US Senate, to address suspicions by the Muslim nation that the US had an anti-Muslim Christian agenda, unanimously passed into US law the statement that the US can in no way be considered a Christian nation. That's the last official US government law on the matter, from the Washington administration.

The reason is found in the Qu'ran and hadiths - Islam will rule all by any means necessary.

There's a real problem with Muslim extremism. You are a real problem, too.

 

[cliftonite]

Are you contending the Nazi movement was some form of Christianity?

Whatever movement it was he certainly wasn't atheist.

 

[Zebo]

This not a case of Middle Eastern extremist Muslims targetting any Thais. This is a separatist movement within Thailand by a group that happens to be Muslim, who has used religion for recruiting.



This has nothing to do with religious extremists. This was not the Middle Eastern Muslims sending over Muslim pirates to attack the US for religious reasons.

The US faces many types of pirates, including fro European nations. One Muslim nation had pirates who were, surprise, Muslim.

How did the founding fathers respond to this? With a 'war of civilizations'?

No, they pursued peace with the Muslim nation in a treaty, and the US Senate, to address suspicions by the Muslim nation that the US had an anti-Muslim Christian agenda, unanimously passed into US law the statement that the US can in no way be considered a Christian nation. That's the last official US government law on the matter, from the Washington administration.



There's a real problem. You are a real problem, too. You exaggerate the Muslim issue.

No both piracy and slave trade are in Islamic law and covered at great length. The impetus is Islam not just happened to be Islamic and did so that's the difference.

And another thing it was not just one nation or one boat - for hundreds of years Ships could not transverse the Mediterranean unmolested nor Europeans settle along the coasts of her for fear of Ottoman corsairs who were drawn from all nations in the caliphate. The whole reason for the 'colonization' of Saharan Africa was to put an end to this.