Are peace and wide spread god belief compatable.

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Can we have world peace and wide spread god belief in the world?

I say no, look at the Islamic terrorist attacks, look at the holocaust, all of these were done in the name of some god. In order for us to have world peace we need to tear down all of the churches, mosques, temples, and other places of worships, and rid the world of its follower. We need to persecute those who continue to spread this disease. Only then can we move towards peace in the world. Humanity will never evolve as long as we have billions of people who worship an imaginary sky buddy.
 

Patranus

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The Salvation Army is a religious organization and has brought help to more people than the holocaust and terrorist attacks have killed.
 

Craig234

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Can we have world peace and wide spread god belief in the world?

I say no, look at the Islamic terrorist attacks, look at the holocaust, all of these were done in the name of some god. In order for us to have world peace we need to tear down all of the churches, mosques, temples, and other places of worships, and rid the world of its follower. We need to persecute those who continue to spread this disease. Only then can we move towards peace in the world. Humanity will never evolve as long as we have billions of people who worship an imaginary sky buddy.

Religion isn't the real cause of most 'religious violence'.

Religion is a 'tribal affiiliation' denoting groups that have other differences.

Religion one on this land wants the land religion 2 is on,and attacks, Religious war.

It's the same thing whether the other group is just another color, or another nation, or even just another regionwith the same language, color and king.

Hitler went after Jews - and gypsies and gays and communists and other groups.

Stalin and Mao killed millions apiece in their own country.

Its very, very rare for one group to do violence to another religious group only over religious differences.

The US isn't a bad example - there are rare exceptions blind bigots go after identifiable religious grops from orthodox Jews to the Amish to Muslims, but even then it's hardly over real religious issues.

But religion gets the blame quite a bit becauise it's a clear trait identifying various groups.
 

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Religion is a convenient excuses they use. If it wasn't that they would find something else to call for such things. It could just as easily be race, nationality, intelligence, height, hair color, etc.

So is wide spread god belief and peace compatible, yes.
Are large human populations and peace compatible... not so much. :(
 

Mursilis

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Can we have world peace and wide spread god belief in the world?

I say no, look at the Islamic terrorist attacks, look at the holocaust, all of these were done in the name of some god. In order for us to have world peace we need to tear down all of the churches, mosques, temples, and other places of worships, and rid the world of its follower. We need to persecute those who continue to spread this disease. Only then can we move towards peace in the world. Humanity will never evolve as long as we have billions of people who worship an imaginary sky buddy.

Clearly you're just trolling, or are extremely stupid, or both. As others have already noted, religion is usually just a convenient excuse for violence; in the absence of religion, another excuse will be found. The roots of violence are not in religion, they're in our very nature. Just look at your own post; it reeks of violence, and you pretend to be an atheist!

Atheists are forever saying how much better the world would be in the absence of all religion, but I've never observed any truth in that. For all the bad caused by religion, there is also much good motivated by the same. I think, in the end, removing religion from the world would be an ultimately neutral action, with no measurable increase in either 'good' or 'bad', however you define it. Evil would still exist; it's in our very nature.
 

Mursilis

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religion isn't the real cause of most 'religious violence'.

Religion is a 'tribal affiiliation' denoting groups that have other differences.

Religion one on this land wants the land religion 2 is on,and attacks, religious war.

It's the same thing whether the other group is just another color, or another nation, or even just another regionwith the same language, color and king.

Hitler went after jews - and gypsies and gays and communists and other groups.

Stalin and mao killed millions apiece in their own country.

Its very, very rare for one group to do violence to another religious group only over religious differences.

The us isn't a bad example - there are rare exceptions blind bigots go after identifiable religious grops from orthodox jews to the amish to muslims, but even then it's hardly over real religious issues.

But religion gets the blame quite a bit becauise it's a clear trait identifying various groups.

qft.
 

rudder

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Guns don't kill people... people kill people. If I had an agenda in the absence of religion... I could always find some other device to entice you to do my bidding.
 

Genx87

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Can we have world peace and wide spread god belief in the world?

I say no, look at the Islamic terrorist attacks, look at the holocaust, all of these were done in the name of some god. In order for us to have world peace we need to tear down all of the churches, mosques, temples, and other places of worships, and rid the world of its follower. We need to persecute those who continue to spread this disease. Only then can we move towards peace in the world. Humanity will never evolve as long as we have billions of people who worship an imaginary sky buddy.

Yes those athiest ideologies called Fascism, National Socialism, and Communism were so peaceful in the 20th century.

The Holocaust was done in the name of National Socialism. Hitler erected his own man made religion and recruited his holy warriors(SS) to carry out its will.

Peace is incompatible with humanity. Always has and always will. We will have times of peace. But nothing that ever lasts. Trying to blame it on religion is silly. Before we had organized religions like Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. We had people praying to sun, wind, and love gods. And wars still waged then.
 
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Can we have world peace and wide spread god belief in the world?

I say no, look at the Islamic terrorist attacks, look at the holocaust, all of these were done in the name of some god. In order for us to have world peace we need to tear down all of the churches, mosques, temples, and other places of worships, and rid the world of its follower. We need to persecute those who continue to spread this disease. Only then can we move towards peace in the world. Humanity will never evolve as long as we have billions of people who worship an imaginary sky buddy.
You are absolutely right, because nobody has ever committed genocide if they were a secularist or doing it for state-reasons.

History says you are awesome!
 

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Can we have world peace and wide spread god belief in the world?

I say no, look at the Islamic terrorist attacks, look at the holocaust, all of these were done in the name of some god. In order for us to have world peace we need to tear down all of the churches, mosques, temples, and other places of worships, and rid the world of its follower. We need to persecute those who continue to spread this disease. Only then can we move towards peace in the world. Humanity will never evolve as long as we have billions of people who worship an imaginary sky buddy.

You are the cause of religious violence. In you is the hatred that would persecute the religious. It is your religion.

Religion taught me that the only way to end violence is to extinguish it in myself.

There is peace in the world only when there is peace in oneself.
 
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Can we have world peace and wide spread god belief in the world?

I say no, look at the Islamic terrorist attacks, look at the holocaust, all of these were done in the name of some god. In order for us to have world peace we need to tear down all of the churches, mosques, temples, and other places of worships, and rid the world of its follower. We need to persecute those who continue to spread this disease. Only then can we move towards peace in the world. Humanity will never evolve as long as we have billions of people who worship an imaginary sky buddy.
Stalin would be proud of you. You're sick....seek help.
 

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Yes those athiest ideologies called Fascism, National Socialism, and Communism were so peaceful in the 20th century.

The Holocaust was done in the name of National Socialism. Hitler erected his own man made religion and recruited his holy warriors(SS) to carry out its will.

Peace is incompatible with humanity. Always has and always will. We will have times of peace. But nothing that ever lasts. Trying to blame it on religion is silly. Before we had organized religions like Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. We had people praying to sun, wind, and love gods. And wars still waged then.

Hitler was not an atheist. Even if they were atheists they didn't commit those atrocities because of their lack of faith. They did it to kill their enemies and gain more power.
 

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Religion is a convenient excuses they use. If it wasn't that they would find something else to call for such things. It could just as easily be race, nationality, intelligence, height, hair color, etc.

So is wide spread god belief and peace compatible, yes.
Are large human populations and peace compatible... not so much. :(

Religion is a convinient excuse the MEDIA IN THE US uses.

"Islamic attacks" are happening not because they hate our Western way of life, but rather because they hate that we're trying to force our way of life on them. Big difference.

The Holocaust was not a religious matter (at least it didn't start out as one). Remember, "Jewish" is a race before it's a religion.

Religion and peace can coexist. Peace and ambition are another story. Peace and "government aid" are even less compatible (read: the current problems in Israel and how that reflects on our nation's image to other countries).
 

rudder

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"Islamic attacks" are happening not because they hate our Western way of life, but rather because they hate that we're trying to force our way of life on them. Big difference.

Muslim terrorists justify what they are doing through the Koran. You and I are infidels because we are not Muslim.
 

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Muslim terrorists justify what they are doing through the Koran. You and I are infidels because we are not Muslim.

Uhm...no?

Provide me one instance where THEY (not the US media) have rationalized attacks through religion.

There's a reason that suicide bombings are 10 times more likely to happen in areas where US soldiers are staged than in other areas, and it isn't religion. If it was, the Muslims already in the states would be suicide bombing everyone everywhere everyday. They don't like us because of what we're doing, not who we are. There are very strong cases that pin the attacks on the WTC on our staging troops on the Saudi penninsula. And, honestly, that makes a hell of a lot more sense than some obscure, incorporeal abject hatred of Western life.
 

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Uhm...no?

Provide me one instance where THEY (not the US media) have rationalized attacks through religion.

There's a reason that suicide bombings are 10 times more likely to happen in areas where US soldiers are staged than in other areas, and it isn't religion. If it was, the Muslims already in the states would be suicide bombing everyone everywhere everyday. They don't like us because of what we're doing, not who we are. There are very strong cases that pin the attacks on the WTC on our staging troops on the Saudi penninsula. And, honestly, that makes a hell of a lot more sense than some obscure, incorporeal abject hatred of Western life.

Sorry dude, but you're not going to manage to place moral equivalence between American troop deployments and suicide bombing innocents.

And to what exactly do you attribute the craziness after the Danish Mohammed cartoon if not religion?
 

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Sorry dude, but you're not going to manage to place moral equivalence between American troop deployments and suicide bombing innocents.

And to what exactly do you attribute the craziness after the Danish Mohammed cartoon if not religion?

And that's why we need to tear down all the churches, burn all the bibles and persecute the religious.

Besides we need to cut the population. If we kill all but a billion or so it would be such a green thing, and since it wouldn't be done in the name of a religion, it would be cool

Seriously, read the troll OPs first.
 

rudder

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Uhm...no?

Provide me one instance where THEY (not the US media) have rationalized attacks through religion.

There's a reason that suicide bombings are 10 times more likely to happen in areas where US soldiers are staged than in other areas, and it isn't religion. If it was, the Muslims already in the states would be suicide bombing everyone everywhere everyday. They don't like us because of what we're doing, not who we are. There are very strong cases that pin the attacks on the WTC on our staging troops on the Saudi penninsula. And, honestly, that makes a hell of a lot more sense than some obscure, incorporeal abject hatred of Western life.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/news/new...bings-in-iraq-kill-26-before-shiite-rite.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/01/u...are-jihadists-and-jihad-is-not-terrorism.html
http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=11267
http://www.memrijttm.org/content/en/report.htm?report=3421&param=apt
http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/canada602/excerpt.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia/2009/11/200911218455781702.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2009/10/2009101682949195289.html

From the last link:

He said the men wanted "violent jihad which involved the application of extreme force and violence, including the killing of those who did not share the fundamentalist ... extremist, beliefs".


http://www.iheu.org/node/1540

I could go on.
 
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Genx87

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Hitler was not an atheist. Even if they were atheists they didn't commit those atrocities because of their lack of faith. They did it to kill their enemies and gain more power.

What do you think Hitler and his nazi movement was?
 

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I like very much some replies here. But let us not forget that religion belief and God belief are seperate.

We all here know about the 2012 21dec prophecy and all related conspirecy theories.

Keep in mind this tho. In revelations its written NO man knows the time of that great day. It is also written that God cuts short that time.

I got this for you so that you might understand a little more. These are true words as it was given to the Israel to know these things . Pay attention to the Time given and know that it is cut short. But by how much 1 day 1 month 1 year. None know this .

But here is what is in fact known about that time. 2012 dec 21 is the date man has set aside not God. This day is also the commandment day . Keep holy the Lords Day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mUplYrGr50&feature=related
 
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Jaskalas

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Uhm...no?

Provide me one instance where THEY (not the US media) have rationalized attacks through religion.

"Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled or incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every corner in the world... But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world"

1st Supreme Leader of Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini