Are Muslims the next Jews?

[UNCjigga]

These riots in Paris are an unfortunate occurrence and a reminder of the fragile social relationship between 'classical' Europeans and immigrants from their former colonies. I hate to say it, but there will be a backlash against immigrants. There will be Parisians and other French angry at what they are seeing in the news and they will demand more security, tighter controls on immigration, and even deportation. And I haven't even gotten into the religious differences yet! But my point is that when these voices rise up, leaders will try to exploit this. We will see ultra-conservatives and extreme left factions demand an end to Islamic immigration into their countries, and they will label the rioters as 'terrorists'. France, Germany, the Netherlands are already tense. These riots might be a flash in the powder keg, so to speak.

That brings me to my question. Do you think we might see European Muslims mistreated in the same way as European Jews were from the Spanish Inquisition to post-WWII? Will there be the same "not in my backyard" mentality? From the looks of the situation in these Parisian suburbs, it appears that a lot of Muslim immigrants are already segregated into poor communities (though by their own choice) so it might not be much different from the Jewish ghettos of Europe at the turn of the century.

Yeah, its late and I'm probably reaching here, but I'd hate to see a situation where we have another war in Europe started by some fascist trying to rid the world of Muslims, and then 15 years later we're creating an Islamic homeland somewhere, and then 50 years after that we're questioning the wisdom of that decision...

 

[Kibbo86]

It's impossible to predict this sort of thing.

But I agree, the pattern is concerning.

 

[CanOWorms]

I've been stating this for quite some time on this forum.

 

[Trente]

With all due respect, the situation here is not comparable at all to Europe and it's Jewish "problem" on the eve of WW2; the background is different, the circumstances are all but parallel and as a result, an outcome of such a scenario will not be the formation of an 'Islamic homeland'.

 

[CanOWorms]

Originally posted by: Trente
With all due respect, the situation here is not comparable at all to Europe and it's Jewish "problem" on the eve of WW2; the background is different, the circumstances are all but parallel and as a result, an outcome of such a scenario will not be the formation of an 'Islamic homeland'.

I don't think that it would create an Islamic homeland (there are already a lot of Islamic homelands anyways), but I think that it will lead to a genocide and a world war.

 

[Polish3d]

Since when did Jews riot like maniacs?

IIRC they typically were the victims of mob violence rather than perpetrators of it from Europeans who, like today, continue to habitually blame others for their ills

 

[Kadarin]

You're worried about europeans "mistreating" Muslims when those same Muslims do things like murdering Theo van Gogh (for producing a film that was perfectly legal, yet "offensive to Islam")?

If that kind of thing is what Europe has to look forward to, then by all means "mistreat" them.

 

[BlancoNino]

The Jews of the 1930's and 1940's = Hard-working, good people persecuted at the word of a mad man.

The Muslims of present = Large percentage of islam are an organized radical fundamentalist terrorist group murdering people throughout the world.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
The Jews of the 1930's and 1940's = Hard-working, good people persecuted at the word of a mad man.

The Muslims of present = Large percentage of islam are an organized radical fundamentalist terrorist group murdering people throughout the world.

*rolls eyes*
Nice Generalizations

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
The Jews of the 1930's and 1940's = Hard-working, good people persecuted at the word of a mad man.

The Muslims of present = Large percentage of islam are an organized radical fundamentalist terrorist group murdering people throughout the world.

*rolls eyes*
Nice Generalizations

*furrows brows"
So...usually when people make a claim that somebody is generalizing they prove them wrong.

 

[Aimster]

No
Jews = small in numbers
Muslims = gigantic

BlancoNino is an idiot. I didn't know there are 1.5 Billion terrorist in the world and 7-8 million of them in the U.S.
I'm scared.

 

[Aimster]

& Blanco I'll prove you wrong.

Majority of terrorist acts = done by Arabs
Arabs - 15% of the Muslim population

Yet 90%+ of terrorist acts come from Arab people.

You know there are millions of black Muslims right and millions of asian muslims. In fact there are more Asian Muslims than Arab Muslims.
There are millions of white Muslims, Russia has a 20% Muslim population.

 

[BlancoNino]

Wow. Did you even read my post? Ridiculous.

What part of LARGE PERCENTAGE OF ISLAM IS TERRORIST didn't you get?

Whether you're talking about 5% of arab muslims, 4%, 3% or whatever...that's still a LARGE PERCENTAGE when we're talking about TERRORISTS!

 

[imported_Shivetya]

How ****** pathetic.

There is a major difference between the Jewish people of Europe and the Muslims. first and foremost is the fact the Jewish people were not rampaging around their homes destroying everything. Second is the fact they were not seeking to impose their religious beliefs on others.


How damn pathetic can some of ya'll be?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
Wow. Did you even read my post? Ridiculous.

What part of LARGE PERCENTAGE OF ISLAM IS TERRORIST didn't you get?

Whether you're talking about 5% of arab muslims, 4%, 3% or whatever...that's still a LARGE PERCENTAGE when we're talking about TERRORISTS!

5% is not a large percentage so therefore a large percentage of Islam is not terrorist. English 005 - University - Enroll now

use your words more wisely
A large number of terrorist are Muslim. A large percent of terrorist are Muslim
🙂

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
How ****** pathetic.

There is a major difference between the Jewish people of Europe and the Muslims. first and foremost is the fact the Jewish people were not rampaging around their homes destroying everything. Second is the fact they were not seeking to impose their religious beliefs on others.


How damn pathetic can some of ya'll be?

I didn't know Muslims were seeking to impose their religious beliefs on people in Europe. Maybe next time you're in Europe you should walk around with a sign asking all Muslims not to approach you to try to convert you..

Also do you even know the history of the Jews in Europe or are you just ajdlkfhlsdk away on your keyboard.

I mean religious people don't try to convert others to their faith .. it's just not heard of...

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I didn't know Muslims were seeking to impose their religious beliefs on people in Europe. Maybe next time you're in Europe you should walk around with a sign asking all Muslims not to approach you to try to convert you..

Also do you even know the history of the Jews in Europe or are you just ajdlkfhlsdk away on your keyboard.

I mean religious people don't try to convert others to their faith .. it's just not heard of...

On the conversion issue, basically Jews don't actively seek converts at all, (at least with a few exceptions that have occured very recently) so there is a major difference from Muslims in that aspect.

On the mob rampage aspect, there is clearly a huge difference between the two groups in that instance. Historically Jews were always huge fans of law and order in Europe, because it was usually when that broke down that Christian Mobs attacked both Jews and the building they owned. Jews pretty much universally avoided mass violence because they knew things would be far worse for them if they resorted to that. The only exception you can really find at all was the Warsaw Ghetto uprising and that was obviously a really extreme circumstance that drove them to fight back.

 

[Trente]

The only exception you can really find at all was the Warsaw Ghetto uprising and that was obviously a really extreme circumstance that drove them to fight back.

Are you kidding?

FFS, at that point (spring 1943) they knew very well that the only "legal" way to leave the ghetto was through the chimneys of German extermination camps. They had every god damn reason in the world to rebel!

 

[chcarnage]

The much more likely scenario (and most important to avoid) is that two social groups with very few contacts and exchange further develop here. The unemployment rates and the overall living conditions in this suburbs are worse than French average. It's comparable to some degree with the American race riots of the sixties, although the discrimination is more subtle here. However I'm ready to discuss any signs of potentially future oppression or hints by national politicians if you name some.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Trente
With all due respect, the situation here is not comparable at all to Europe and it's Jewish "problem" on the eve of WW2; the background is different, the circumstances are all but parallel and as a result, an outcome of such a scenario will not be the formation of an 'Islamic homeland'.

Actually it isnt that far off. The economic picture in Europe is rather bleak with slow to non-existent growth and high unemployment. And I can guranteee you when Hitler's Nazis started rounding up Jews and undesireables they werent envisioning a Jewish homeland as the result.

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Aimster
& Blanco I'll prove you wrong.

Majority of terrorist acts = done by Arabs
Arabs - 15% of the Muslim population

Yet 90%+ of terrorist acts come from Arab people.

You know there are millions of black Muslims right and millions of asian muslims. In fact there are more Asian Muslims than Arab Muslims.
There are millions of white Muslims, Russia has a 20% Muslim population.

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Somebody hasn't been watching the news much? terrorists have been very active in The former ussr as well as throughout asia and europe this is much more then an arab problem.

And to compare them to the jews is ridiculous in so many ways I hardly know where to start but heres a juicy little tidbit to chew on...no one has ever advocated they be wiped off the face of the earth most countries have gone to great lengths to accept them.
Those that obey the local laws and try to adopt the ways of thier new culture , generally due well.

Those that sit around on welfare because they feel owed an exsistance generally do poorly. I especially despise some of these lowlife like the imam in Britian that had lived in Britian for decades on welfare and yet was continually preaching hatred and violence towards his host country.
Where is the wisdom in migrating and then trying to turn your host country into twice the hole hell you just left?

 

[chcarnage]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Trente
With all due respect, the situation here is not comparable at all to Europe and it's Jewish "problem" on the eve of WW2; the background is different, the circumstances are all but parallel and as a result, an outcome of such a scenario will not be the formation of an 'Islamic homeland'.

Actually it isnt that far off. The economic picture in Europe is rather bleak with slow to non-existent growth and high unemployment. And I can guranteee you when Hitler's Nazis started rounding up Jews and undesireables they werent envisioning a Jewish homeland as the result.

It is far off. Many European economies face tough times, but the average standard of living is good, way better than in the 1930s.

There is no racial differentiation in law, some countries allow same sex marriages, racist parties are in the executive nowhere, I haven't seen an internment camp, there are too less arguments to say that Europe is on the doorstep to its next dark age.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: daniel49

Originally posted by: Aimster
& Blanco I'll prove you wrong.

Majority of terrorist acts = done by Arabs
Arabs - 15% of the Muslim population

Yet 90%+ of terrorist acts come from Arab people.

You know there are millions of black Muslims right and millions of asian muslims. In fact there are more Asian Muslims than Arab Muslims.
There are millions of white Muslims, Russia has a 20% Muslim population.

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Somebody hasn't been watching the news much? terrorists have been very active in The former ussr as well as throughout asia and europe this is much more then an arab problem.

True, but it is still almost exclusively muslims, be they arab or not, perpetrating the acts of terror. I don't forget that not all muslims are terrorists but it does seem that most all terrorists ARE muslims (or so they claim to be).

And to compare them to the jews is ridiculous in so many ways I hardly know where to start but heres a juicy little tidbit to chew on...no one has ever advocated they be wiped off the face of the earth most countries have gone to great lengths to accept them.
Those that obey the local laws and try to adopt the ways of thier new culture , generally due well.

Those that sit around on welfare because they feel owed an exsistance generally do poorly. I especially despise some of these lowlife like the imam in Britian that had lived in Britian for decades on welfare and yet was continually preaching hatred and violence towards his host country.
Where is the wisdom in migrating and then trying to turn your host country into twice the hole hell you just left?

In contrast to my previous point, the above underlined part is a problem that plagues people and societies of all races and religions. Muslims do not have a monopoly on this problem by any means.

 

[ahurtt]

Originally posted by: Trente
With all due respect, the situation here is not comparable at all to Europe and it's Jewish "problem" on the eve of WW2; the background is different, the circumstances are all but parallel and as a result, an outcome of such a scenario will not be the formation of an 'Islamic homeland'.

Given the general attitude of the muslim world toward Jews and Isreal today, I'd have to say that were Hitler to rise from the dead today and reinstitute his "final solution," he might find many muslims rallying to his cause. But then he'd probably just have them rounded up and gassed too.

 

[GTaudiophile]

I frankly am enjoying watching France burn. Maybe, after they've had enough, they"ll grow some balls and join us and we can rule the galaxy as father and son!

Vader