Are more people depressed in rich countries?

Infohawk

Lifer
Jan 12, 2002
17,844
1
0
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_114693.html

High-income countries had higher rates of major depression (28 percent vs. 20 percent), and especially high rates (more than 30 percent) were found in the United States, France, the Netherlands and India. China had the lowest rate of major depression (12 percent).

What's your explanation for this?

Whatever the reason, I think this is a good reminder that our government shouldn't be solely concerned about creating material wealth. We have plenty of it and apparently 30% of people are seriously depressed.
 

woolfe9999

Diamond Member
Mar 28, 2005
7,153
0
0
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_114693.html



What's your explanation for this?

Whatever the reason, I think this is a good reminder that our government shouldn't be solely concerned about creating material wealth. We have plenty of it and apparently 30% of people are seriously depressed.

I'd like to know the socioeconomic breakdown of that 30% versus the 70% without it. If the 30% tend toward the lower socio-economic band, then that suggests a different conclusion than if they tend toward the higher end or the middle. Correlating depression with the overall income levels in a country is interesting but rather incomplete.

For example, it might be more depressing to be poor in the United States than to be poor in say, Bangladesh, because a major cause of depression is failing to meet the expectations of society. If you always expected to be poor because that is the norm in your society, maybe being poor isn't so depressing.
 
Last edited:

EagleKeeper

Discussion Club Moderator<br>Elite Member
Staff member
Oct 30, 2000
42,589
5
0
Depression is based on expectations.

Low expectations means less depression.
 

her209

No Lifer
Oct 11, 2000
56,336
11
0
Because it gets boring. Its like playing Doom with God Mode enabled. If a rich person wanted a $100,000 car, they just go buy it. If a poor person wanted a $10,000 car, they still have to save up and make sure they can afford the monthly payments.
 

a777pilot

Diamond Member
Apr 26, 2011
4,261
21
81
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_114693.html



What's your explanation for this?

Whatever the reason, I think this is a good reminder that our government shouldn't be solely concerned about creating material wealth. We have plenty of it and apparently 30% of people are seriously depressed.

"What's your explanation for this?"

That's easy. In poor countries the poor are just too busy trying to find their next meal to be able to run off to a doctor so that doctor can tell them they are depressed.

Next.
 

woolfe9999

Diamond Member
Mar 28, 2005
7,153
0
0
Because it gets boring. Its like playing Doom with God Mode enabled. If a rich person wanted a $100,000 car, they just go buy it. If a poor person wanted a $10,000 car, they still have to save up and make sure they can afford the monthly payments.

If it's actually true that more prosperous people tend to be more depressed (which we can't tell from the info presented here), there are several possible explanations. An obvious one is that it isn't the prosperity that makes one depressed, but rather, what one has to do to acquire it. Most high paid professions are very stressful and studies consistently show high suicide rates in those professions. Law is one such profession. It isn't the money. It's the job.
 

woolfe9999

Diamond Member
Mar 28, 2005
7,153
0
0
Depression is based on expectations.

Low expectations means less depression.

"God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off."

- Tyler Durden
 

ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
15,987
2
81
What's your explanation for this?

Whatever the reason, I think this is a good reminder that our government shouldn't be solely concerned about creating material wealth. We have plenty of it and apparently 30&#37; of people are seriously depressed.

Work has a lot to do with it. Right now I have a real job in my field and I feel terrible all the time. Before this job, I had a bullshit job making close to minimum wage but I was a lot happier.

Some key differences
-My real job has horrible indoor air quality. It becomes much harder to breathe the second I walk into the office. The air is dry and it causes stuff noses somehow. My bullshit job was a retail place where the doors were always opening and letting fresh air in.
-My real job has terrible lighting. It's all fluorescent and very white. It's the most unnatural light in the history of the world and much of it shines directly into my eyes. The lighting in my retail job was much better; they had broad spectrum halogen lights that were high up and you couldn't see them directly unless you tilted your head back to look at them.
-My real job creates a very unnatural sleep pattern. No human should be awake at 6:30am, but I am. In order to get 8 hours of sleep, I would need to be in bed by 10pm, but the god damn sun is still up at 10pm (in summer). How the fuck am I supposed to sleep when the sun is still up?@#$@#%?
Also, the sun is still down at 6:30am in winter. It feels like I'm waking up in the middle of the night just to go to work. What kind of retarded shit is that? Who created this system? It's the worst system one could possibly design. I can't think of a single thing that would make it worse.
My retail jobs in the past were evening jobs so I would wake up and go to bed at a much more natural time. If I get off work at 9pm, it'll be a lot more like midnight or 1am by the time I bike home, take a shower, cook some food, and watch a bit of TV. The sun is long gone, it's dark outside, it's quiet outside, and going to sleep is much easier. When you go to bed at 1am, guess what time you wake up. Around 9-10am, when the sun is shining! What a novel idea that is - sleep when it's really damn dark outside then wake up when the sun is shining. Why didn't anyone in the world think of this before!?!?!
-My real job involves me sitting on my ass, getting no exercise at all. Sometimes the work stops flowing and I'm stuck trying to stay awake (because I had a terrible sleep, see above) even though there's nothing to do. There's no blood going to my legs because I'm not doing anything, no blood in my arms because I'm not lifting anything, no blood in my brain because I'm not trying to solve a puzzle at this time. It's like some kind of torture the KGB would think of. At my bullshit jobs, there was always stuff to do. Even when there are no customers, there's stuff to do. Move this over there, prepare this, unload these boxes, etc. At the end of the day at my real job, I fall asleep on the bus while riding home. At the end of the day at my bullshit jobs, I was energized and I would call people to see who was available to do stuff.


So there's your answer. Modern societies are fucking retarded. Instead of using lights that vaguely resemble the sun (incandescent), we use lights that vaguely resemble arc welding (fluorescent). Instead of breathing fresh air, we breathe recycled air because it saves energy and we don't need to heat up more of this cold outside air (or cool more outside air in summer). Instead of waking up when the sun is up and going to bed when the sun is down, we go to bed when the sun is still up then we wake up when it's dark; the exact opposite of what every other animal on the planet does.


If you are busy trying to survive, you don't have time to be depressed.
True that. I remember a few camping trips where we were plagued with shit like too many bugs and not enough bug spray, we got burned because we didn't use enough sunscreen, we were hungry, thirsty, tired, couldn't sleep well because tents turn into ovens when the sun shines on them. Despite all of that crap, I can't remember being sad. I was pissed off, but I felt ok. I know what sad feels like, and being sad in a palace feels a lot worse than being pissed off in a cold tent with slightly wet blankets.
 
Last edited:

OlafSicky

Platinum Member
Feb 25, 2011
2,364
0
0
Depression is mostly a North American phenomena driver by the consumer culture, advertising, media, which raises your expectations to unattainable standards and Pharmaceutical companies which make billions selling you pills that don't even work all that well.
 

Kadarin

Lifer
Nov 23, 2001
44,296
16
81
Are more people depressed in rich countries?

No. However, more people are diagnosed with depression because pharmaceutical companies know that they can sell more drugs to treat that diagnosed depression in rich countries.
 

Slew Foot

Lifer
Sep 22, 2005
12,379
96
86
In my experience, the most common demographic of depressed people is middle aged housewives in wealthy communities.
 

her209

No Lifer
Oct 11, 2000
56,336
11
0
If it's actually true that more prosperous people tend to be more depressed (which we can't tell from the info presented here), there are several possible explanations. An obvious one is that it isn't the prosperity that makes one depressed, but rather, what one has to do to acquire it. Most high paid professions are very stressful and studies consistently show high suicide rates in those professions. Law is one such profession. It isn't the money. It's the job.
Lawyers are a bad example. Imagine if you're a defense lawyer. Your client confides to you that they did it. They explain how they did it. But due to holes in the prosecution's case, your client is found "not innocent".
 

woolfe9999

Diamond Member
Mar 28, 2005
7,153
0
0
Lawyers are a bad example. Imagine if you're a defense lawyer. Your client confides to you that they did it. They explain how they did it. But due to holes in the prosecution's case, your client is found "not innocent".

It isn't only lawyers. Doctors, lawyers, dentists, accountants. Having a high stress job while living in a society that defines success as "having more than however much you have now," and being "upper middle class," meaning you have a comfortable life style, but little financial security and everything to lose. It's a noxious combination.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
27,399
3,948
126
"God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off."

- Tyler Durden

I love that.
 

Infohawk

Lifer
Jan 12, 2002
17,844
1
0
It isn't only lawyers. Doctors, lawyers, dentists, accountants. Having a high stress job while living in a society that defines success as "having more than however much you have now," and being "upper middle class," meaning you have a comfortable life style, but little financial security and everything to lose. It's a noxious combination.

My gut agrees with you but I think it's interesting that Western European countries like France also has similar levels of depression. We know they have social policies and that they try to be less commercial than we are yet it does not seem to make a difference. I'd be curious to know what depression rates in the Soviet Union but I doubt we'll ever get accurate stats on that.

But basically I agree with everyone here who's saying our modern society is the cause. I think certain personalities just aren't made to cope and there are other people that seem to be happy no matter what (but who might fail in other environmental conditions.) Anyway, if 1/3 of our population is depressed it seems like it should be a bigger political issue, especially since we know economic growth won't solve the problems.

No. However, more people are diagnosed with depression because pharmaceutical companies know that they can sell more drugs to treat that diagnosed depression in rich countries.

Why would a happy person report themselves as depressed? If you report yourself as depressed you're probably depressed or have some other psychological issue that would make you lie about it. What seems more likely is that depressed Chinese people are putting on a brave face.
 

DirkGently1

Senior member
Mar 31, 2011
904
0
0
Define 'High income country'. If it's like the UK where 1&#37; of the population are wealthy and the other 99% are living on the poverty line, it's not difficult to see why people are 'depressed'.

That's not to say that rich people can't get depressed too but it's a better class of depression!
 

Throckmorton

Lifer
Aug 23, 2007
16,829
3
0
Define 'High income country'. If it's like the UK where 1% of the population are wealthy and the other 99% are living on the poverty line, it's not difficult to see why people are 'depressed'.

That's not to say that rich people can't get depressed too but it's a better class of depression!

The UK? You mean the USA right?
 

ShawnD1

Lifer
May 24, 2003
15,987
2
81
The UK? You mean the USA right?

UK is more horribler than you can imagine. Imagine your current income. Now increase the income tax. Now put 20% sales tax (VAT) on everything. Now add tax just to watch broadcast (free in the US) television. Now increase the cost of all goods by about 60%. Increase the cost of gasoline by 200%. Make the roads 40% narrower. Now you're in the UK.

They get free health care and dental so at least there's some limit of how low you can go in that country.