Are liberals seceding from sanity?

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Is the Left becoming introspective?

Michael Lind is Senior Research Fellow and Policy Director of New America's Economic Growth Program and an excellent writer of the leftish bent. He has taken the time to dissect some of the biased thinking on his side of the aisle.

Of course, he does have difficulty in completely elevating the discourse outside the paradigms of the Left. After all, by admission, he is of the Left and very much accepts the premises that implies.

Rather than taking the Party line, he reconsiders the facts of life by the lights of someone who has dedicated his career to supporting the Left.

Why is this important? Well, to address an opponent or a contrary cause you must first understand what it is they are saying and why. You must make the effort, no matter how difficult, to put yourself in their shoes no matter how tight or how loose.

Interestingly, he finds that a good portion of the electorate could find themselves comfortable in either party, hence the importance of political inertia in any discussion of demographic loyalties .

I admire his intent while questioning some of his premise, particularly his acceptance that there is a de facto caste system in the U.S. and that the citizens of the South - white, black, brown, yellow, green, blue, red - have less money, less education and less power than the oligarchs ensconced in New York City, San Francisco and Washington, DC.

I would argue that regional differences can be found in the nature of expression and the type of political inertia, not so much by a divide of race or socioeconomic status. In many ways he confirms this in his article.

But that is a quibbling point. His article must have been painful to write, he has clearly stepped out of the box he defines around himself. For that, I commend him.

Are liberals seceding from sanity?

Are liberals seceding from sanity?
The left is crazy to insult white Southerners as a group

By Michael Lind

Salon.com

Aug. 11, 2009 |

Back in the 1960s, Seymour Martin Lipset and Richard Hofstadter and other liberal sociologists, historians and political scientists, puzzled that anyone could support Barry Goldwater rather than Lyndon Johnson, concluded that Goldwater supporters were deranged. They didn't say so directly, of course. They said that members of the radical right were emotionally disturbed victims of "status anxiety." The evidence? They didn't vote the way that Lipset and other academics thought that they should vote. Therefore they had to be crazy.

In the decades since, far better scholars than Hofstadter and Lipset, for whom history and sociology are not exercises in partisan Democratic mythmaking, have established that Goldwater and Reagan Republicans often were highly educated, socially secure individuals who happened not to share the values of liberal professors and journalists. This scholarship has been wasted, to judge by the glee with which the liberal blogosphere, in the aftermath of the ephemeral "Birther" flap, has dusted off the old conservatives-are-crazy meme, and revised it to suggest that all white Southerners are crazy.

In a recent Washington Post column, Kathleen Parker quoted Ohio Sen. George Voinovich's assertion that the Republican Party is "being taken over by Southerners" to suggest that the GOP risks becoming a permanent minority party of the old Confederacy. In itself this is a legitimate point that I and many other critics of Republican conservatism have made for years. However, at Mother Jones, the blogger Kevin Drum used Parker's political argument as an excuse for all-too-typical liberal Southern-bashing. According to Drum: "There are, needless to say, plenty of individual Southern whites who are wholly admirable. But taken as a whole, Southern white culture is [redacted]. Jim Webb can pretty it up all he wants, but it's a [redacted]." Drum did the redacting on his own blog post, explaining he'd blacked out the offending text "on the advice of my frontal lobe."

Drum's creepy bigotry becomes clear when other groups are substituted: "There are, needless to say, plenty of individual blacks who are wholly admirable. But taken as a whole, black culture is [redacted]. Barack Obama can pretty it up all he wants, but it's a [redacted]." Or maybe this: "There are, needless to say, plenty of individual Jews who are wholly admirable. But taken as a whole, Jewish culture is [redacted]. The late Irving Howe can pretty it up all he wants, but it's a [redacted]."

If his Wikipedia entry is to be believed, Kevin Drum grew up in California, the same enlightened California that during his childhood and early adulthood gave our nation Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and the tax-revolt politics of Howard Jarvis. More recently, California voters amended the state Constitution to outlaw gay marriage. I grew up in Texas, which gave our nation champions of the New Deal and civil rights like Maury Maverick, Ralph Yarborough, Lyndon Johnson, Henry Gonzalez, Barbara Jordan, Lloyd Doggett and Sarah Weddington, who argued Roe v. Wade. Texas is less progressive than it once was and California is less conservative than it once was, but someone from the land of Nixon and Reagan should think twice about lecturing other parts of the country. Nor are other regions bastions of political virtue. The last two governors of Illinois are in prison or on the way there, the biggest political scandal of the moment involves mayors and rabbis in New Jersey, and the world economy was recently wrecked thanks in large part to certain investment banks and hedge funds headquartered not in Mississippi but in Manhattan.

In her Washington Post essay, Kathleen Parker writes: "Hefty majorities in the Northeast, the Midwest and the West believe Obama was born in the United States. But in the land of cotton, where old times are not by God forgotten" -- evidently this is intended to be a strained joke -- "only 47 percent believe Obama was born in America and 30 percent aren't sure. Southern Republicans, it seems, have seceded from sanity." Kevin Drum thinks that Parker is too kind and that white Southerners as a group should be thought of as having "seceded from sanity."

Oh, those dumb white Southerners! No other group in American society could possibly believe in preposterous conspiracy theories. Well, maybe one other group, the most reliably Democratic demographic in the whole U.S. electorate. A 2005 study by RAND and Oregon State University showed that a majority of blacks believed that a cure for AIDS was being withheld from the poor; that nearly half believed that AIDS was man-made, with a quarter believing that it was created in a U.S. government laboratory and 12 percent naming the CIA as its source. Black paranoia about AIDS is understandable, given the Tuskegee experiments. Even so, the theory that AIDS was created by the CIA to commit genocide against black people is wackier than the craziest Birther conspiracy theories. Would Kathleen Parker write, or the Washington Post publish, a column arguing that black Democrats "have seceded from sanity"? Would Kevin Drum applaud Parker's insult and extend to it to all African-Americans?

When liberal pundits are not arguing that white conservatives are insane, they are explaining conservatism in the patronizing spirit of Lipset and the '60s liberals as the result, not of ideology or theology, but of the irrational resentment of the "angry white male." But what about the angry white female? If white men in the South and elsewhere who do not vote for the Democrats are by definition hate-filled racists upset by social progress, then the same must be true of white women who vote the same way.

By this test, it appears that there are a lot of angry white women and that they have been angry for decades. In 2008 white women preferred John McCain to Barack Obama by 53-47 (compare white men, 57-41). They backed George W. Bush in 2004 by 55-44 percent and in 2000 by a narrow 49-48 percent. A majority of white women in 1996 split their votes among Dole (43) and Perot (8), giving Clinton only a minority of their vote at 48 percent. In 1992 white women were even more anti-Clinton, giving Bush (41 percent) and Perot (18 percent) in combination a majority. White women gave the first Bush 56 percent of their vote in 1988, and they gave Reagan 62 percent in 1984 and 52 percent in 1980. They preferred Ford to Carter, 52-36. I could go on, but you get the picture. Clearly, to judge from their unwillingness to support Democratic presidential candidates since the 1960s, most white women, like most white men, are evil, hate-filled racist monsters.

Curiously, the progressive punditariat, so voluble about "angry white men," is silent about the decades-old Republican bias of white women. Even more curious is the paradox that liberals routinely denounce white Southern Protestants for holding the very social views that are held by majorities or near-majorities of blacks and Latinos who form the electoral base of the Democratic Party.

Consider gay rights. According to a Gallup poll in December 2008, only 31 percent of black Democrats consider homosexuality morally acceptable, compared to 61 percent of non-black Democrats. The proportion of black Democrats who think that homosexuality is immoral is identical to the proportion of all Republicans who think so. The double standard of the white liberal left was evident, when California voters narrowly passed an amendment banning gay marriage. Here is the AP: "California's black and Latino voters, who turned out in droves for Barack Obama, also provided key support in favor of the state's same-sex marriage ban. Seven in 10 black voters backed a successful ballot measure to overturn the California Supreme Court's May decision allowing same-sex marriage, according to exit polls for the Associated Press. More than half of Latino voters supported Proposition 8, while whites were split." There were lots of news stories about pro-gay-rights liberals denouncing the Mormon Church for its role in the campaign. Where were the liberals angrily denouncing black and Latino voters opposed to gay marriage?

Latinos, like blacks, are far more likely than whites to oppose abortion. According to a 2007 Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life and the Pew Hispanic Center, nearly half of second-generation Latinos think that abortion should be illegal, while 65 percent of first-generation Latinos think it should be outlawed. Indeed, the overall level of Latino opposition to abortion, 57 percent, is higher than that of any other group. Luis Lugo, director of the Pew Forum, described Latino immigrants as being out of the mainstream, saying that second-generation Latinos (the more "liberal" cohort that is split nearly 50-50!) are "much, much closer to mainstream American values ... in stark contrast to the first generation who are much more conservative on this issue." Imagine the uproar if Rush Limbaugh or Patrick Buchanan said that Latino immigrants are far from "mainstream American values."

To read progressive pundits, you'd think that illegal immigration would not be controversial, were it not for hate-filled Southern rednecks. But according to a 2006 Pew poll, "Both whites (55 percent) and blacks (54 percent) are more likely than Hispanics (29 percent) to see immigrants as a burden." In Barack Obama's Chicago, according to Pew in 2006, "there is a widespread perception among African Americans that immigrant workers are damaging local jobs prospects. Fully 41 percent of African Americans say they or a family member has lost a job, or not gotten a job, because an employer hired an illegal immigrant instead." A Gallup poll in December 2008 revealed that 47 percent of black Americans thought that illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay in the U.S., while exactly the same percentage, 47 percent, thought that illegal immigrants should be arrested and deported.

Blacks and Latinos, it appears, are allowed to hold conventionally conservative social views about gay rights, abortion and (in the case of blacks) immigration without being mocked and denounced by elite white liberals in the pages of the Washington Post and Mother Jones, as long as they vote for the Democratic Party on the basis of other issues. This strategic logic should lead liberals to seek out and welcome the vote of white social conservatives in the South and elsewhere, as long as they vote for Democrats for reasons other than the social issues. Indeed, socially conservative white voters helped to create and to maintain the new Democratic majority in Congress. But many liberals, it would appear, would rather have a smaller Democratic Party than one that includes more white Southerners with typically "black" or "Latino" views about sex and reproduction.

Here's how I see it. Liberals should respect and promote the interests of working Americans of all races and regions, including those who despise liberals. They are erring neighbors to be won over, not cretins to be mocked.

The majority of Southerners, white and black, including the black Southern diaspora in other regions of the country, are victims of the South's historic caste and class system, just as many Latino immigrants come from families and regions oppressed by Latin American oligarchies. Needless to say, Southern blacks suffered far more from slavery, segregation and the inequality that has persisted even after the abolition of the formal caste system. But Southern whites reduced to debt peonage after the Civil War, and the half of the white Southern electorate that effectively was disfranchised by the Southern elite in the South between the 1900s and the 1960s, were victims of the oligarchs as well. It is only to be expected that people, black and white, who have been deprived of adequate education will be more likely than educated people to believe in nonsense like Birther conspiracy theories and AIDS conspiracy theories. And it is only to be expected that people, black and white, who have been frozen out of politics by oligarchic elites will turn to flamboyant populist tribunes as their leaders, including theatrical preachers like Pat Robertson and Jeremiah Wright, Al Sharpton and Jerry Falwell.

The traditional liberal solution to such alienation is economic reform, education and political empowerment. But reform is difficult and expensive. And it is much less fun than caricaturing entire ethnic or regional groups, particularly those whose members tend to have less money, less education and less power than those who lampoon them.
 

Blackjack200

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What? Is this really a forum post about an internet article about a blog post about an editorial? Jesus Fuckin Christ.
 

ayabe

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This is as silly as it was when I read it this morning.

It's comparing apples to oranges, blacks have a right to be paranoid, have a history of being abused, do not have equal access to education in all cases, etc, etc.

Birthers choose to be stupid, do not have any history of being trodden upon as the ethnic majority for the entire history of the US, etc etc. As far as being exploited, these people love being exploited - by allowing the Republican party to use wedge issues to get these people to vote against their own self interests. Again, this is their own fault.

That's how they keep them in the loop and that's why every successive generation seems to become more deranged....because things are getting worse for them, they are just too stupid to realize the real cause and instead will lay ever increasing levels of blame on ghosts, like the MSM, or libruls, science, or Obamacare.


 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: Blackjack200
What? Is this really a forum post about an internet article about a blog post about an editorial? Jesus Fuckin Christ.

Well if the troll PJABBER did not post this he only have like 5 threads on teh main page. :laugh:
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
STOP THE INSANITY!

:headasplode;

And by insanity I mean your posts.

Can't quite wrap your head around the article, huh? I think that is the point the author is trying to make.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: ayabe
This is as silly as it was when I read it this morning.

It's comparing apples to oranges, blacks have a right to be paranoid, have a history of being abused, do not have equal access to education in all cases, etc, etc.

Birthers choose to be stupid, do not have any history of being trodden upon as the ethnic majority for the entire history of the US, etc etc. As far as being exploited, these people love being exploited - by allowing the Republican party to use wedge issues to get these people to vote against their own self interests. Again, this is their own fault.

That's how they keep them in the loop and that's why every successive generation seems to become more deranged....because things are getting worse for them, they are just too stupid to realize the real cause and instead will lay ever increasing levels of blame on ghosts, like the MSM, or libruls, science, or Obamacare.

That is the lamest excuse I have heard in a long time. Really, because of history Blacks are ok to be bigoted and ignorant about topics but birthers arent?
 

Genx87

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Pretty good article. I dont think any of the resident libs will read it though. Wouldnt want to cloud their otherwise perfect picture of the world they have created.
 

yllus

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The entire article is silly as the sentiments of a blogger or two don't represent the thoughts of all self-identifying liberals.

Even if you take it seriously, the consequences of insulting the South aren't likely to be as dire as they are made out to be. That's a result of changing demographics.

For Republicans, the Ice Age Cometh

It was a huge shock to the GOP when Barack Obama won Republican Indiana last year. The bigger news was how he did it. Latino voters delivered the state. Exit polls showed that they provided Obama with a margin of more than 58,000 votes in a state he carried by a slim 26,000 votes.

That's right, GOP, you've entered a brave new world ruled by Latino Hoosiers, and you're losing.

In 1980, Latino voters cast about 2% of all votes. Last year it was 9%, and Obama won that Hispanic vote with a crushing 35-point margin. By 2030, the Latino share of the vote is likely to double. In Texas, the crucial buckle for the GOP's Electoral College belt, the No. 1 name for new male babies ? many of whom will vote one day ? is Jose.

Young voters are another huge GOP problem. Obama won voters under 30 by a record 33 points. And the young voters of today, while certainly capable of changing their minds, do become all voters tomorrow.

Young voters need to see a GOP that is more socially libertarian, particularly toward gay rights. With changing demographics come changing attitudes, and aping the grim town elders from Footloose is not the path back to a Republican White House.

The pro-life movement can still be a central part of the GOP ? it has support among all ages (and a slim majority of Latino voters) ? but the overall GOP view on abortion must aggressively embrace the big tent.

Latinos need to see a quick end to the Republican congressional jihad on immigration. That shouldn't be a hard lesson for the GOP to learn; every 2008 presidential-primary candidate who went for the cheap applause of the anti-immigration right couldn't win even the Iowa caucus, let alone the nomination. Instead, the GOP should support practical immigration reform that includes a path to citizenship.

Republicans should differentiate themselves from the left by heating up the lukewarm American melting pot with a firm insistence on learning English and a rejection of the silly excesses of identity politics. A smart GOP would be deeply in the microloan and free-English-lessons business in immigrant communities.

Illegal immigrants can't vote. Their children will.

Edit: I should add that I don't agree with the insulting of Southern culture, but if you're counting on a voter backlash originating from the South, you had better start thinking of an alternative strategy.
 

Red Dawn

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I'm sorry I have a short attentions span so I didn't read the OP but from reading the replies am I to take it that the Pjabby is defending the Birthers?
 

nobodyknows

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
STOP THE INSANITY!

:headasplode;

And by insanity I mean your posts.

Can't quite wrap your head around the article, huh? I think that is the point the author is trying to make.

You flatter yourself if you think anybody but your fellow right wing nuts are going to waste their time reading something long posted by you.
 

Blackjack200

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Pretty good article. I dont think any of the resident libs will read it though. Wouldnt want to cloud their otherwise perfect picture of the world they have created.

Wrong. I read it; completely unimpressed.

The common thread between White Southern Baptists, Blacks, and Latinos is Christianity. The good thing is that there are more atheists today than ever before, and most of them are young.

We took a big first step by electing a black man as POTUS. To me, the next step is electing someone that doesn't have to publicly declare that they're a Christian.
 

TheSkinsFan

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I find it disgusting that so many here are afraid of intellectual discourse, on interesting topics, based strictly on their own ridiculously biased definitions of what qualifies as a reasonable source.

If somebody came here and posted something like "I'd like to discuss racism in America...," how would that be any different than referencing a blog? Why should we ignore a potentially wonderful topic of discussion based simply on the posters' names, or the random inspiration for their topic of interest?

:roll:
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The topic is certainly interesting. Why is bigotry acceptable if/when it's done by those with a better education or those with more money and influence? Or when it's exhibited by a group (party) that you otherwise identify with philosophically?

IMO, it is never acceptable to apply labels and levy accusations against entire groups of people based on some demographic factor. To me, doing so demonstrates ignorance, pain, or fear, on the part of the accuser.

Which is it in this case?
 

CrackRabbit

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: CrackRabbit
STOP THE INSANITY!

:headasplode;

And by insanity I mean your posts.

Can't quite wrap your head around the article, huh? I think that is the point the author is trying to make.

The point of the article is that stupidity and social conservatism knows no race, creed or color.
While the fact is sad, it is still a fact.
I didn't need another blog.anandtech.com post from you to tell me that.



 

Moonbeam

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I read your post, PJ, if quickly. I agree that liberals are fools to make fun of backward Southerners and that Southern women are almost as stupid as Southern men. I suppose that stereotypes exist because they represent real norms, but liberals should look deeper.

The fact that we aren't infected with typical ignorant Southern thinking is only an accident of birth. Had we been born down there we'd be as ridiculously defective too.

And everybody knows that when you are internally happy and self secure, you don't have to belittle and make fun of ignorant fools.

The emotionally strong and healthy, love and extend a hand to downtrodden people. People who ridicule are asses. And I hope this message gets out and opens folks minds because this disease of hating Southerners is apparently quite infectious. Folks down South have the bad habit of looking down further South on Mexicans.
 

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Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
I find it disgusting that so many here are afraid of intellectual discourse, on interesting topics, based strictly on their own ridiculously biased definitions of what qualifies as a reasonable source.

If somebody came here and posted something like "I'd like to discuss racism in America...," how would that be any different than referencing a blog? Why should we ignore a potentially wonderful topic of discussion based simply on the posters' names, or the random inspiration for their topic of interest?

:roll:
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The topic is certainly interesting. Why is bigotry acceptable if/when it's done by those with a better education or those with more money and influence? Or when it's exhibited by a group (party) that you otherwise identify with philosophically?

IMO, it is never acceptable to apply labels and levy accusations against entire groups of people based on some demographic factor. To me, doing so demonstrates ignorance, pain, or fear, on the part of the accuser.

Which is it in this case?

Look at the topic title, then the author. That's all I need to know this post will be filled with hilarious amounts of idiocy and name calling and partisanship in the name of "debate."

Conversely, some people do post thoughtful topics which encourage quality discussion. However PJABBER, Spidey07, and Patranus GENERALLY don't fall under this category.
 

Blackjack200

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Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
I find it disgusting that so many here are afraid of intellectual discourse, on interesting topics, based strictly on their own ridiculously biased definitions of what qualifies as a reasonable source.

If somebody came here and posted something like "I'd like to discuss racism in America...," how would that be any different than referencing a blog? Why should we ignore a potentially wonderful topic of discussion based simply on the posters' names, or the random inspiration for their topic of interest?

:roll:
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The topic is certainly interesting. Why is bigotry acceptable if/when it's done by those with a better education or those with more money and influence? Or when it's exhibited by a group (party) that you otherwise identify with philosophically?

IMO, it is never acceptable to apply labels and levy accusations against entire groups of people based on some demographic factor. To me, doing so demonstrates ignorance, pain, or fear, on the part of the accuser.

Which is it in this case?

Is this a joke? Let me explain to you why the source matters. In his Salon article, Mr. Lind drops this little gem:

"There were lots of news stories about pro-gay-rights liberals denouncing the Mormon Church for its role in the campaign. Where were the liberals angrily denouncing black and Latino voters opposed to gay marriage?"

He's completely wrong. I have vivid memories of numerous articles and opinion pieces pointing out the irony of black Americans' success in the election of Obama, and their simlutaneous role in destroying the civil rights of another group. There was a huge amount of anger and resentment on the left for it. Oh, and we paid a price. We were chided and ridiculed by the right for not all voting the same way. (Mostly, I think, because the right didn't have much more to celebrate on that day)

The issue with the Mormon church was completely separate and related to the fact that a tax exempt institution was funnelling money for political causes.

If you're not heavily biased you don't make that kind of mistake.
 

Moonbeam

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If one needs any evidence that liberals are seceding from sanity I think one need look no further than the replies to the OP evidenced here.

Where have all the liberals gone.........
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: Blackjack200
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
I find it disgusting that so many here are afraid of intellectual discourse, on interesting topics, based strictly on their own ridiculously biased definitions of what qualifies as a reasonable source.

If somebody came here and posted something like "I'd like to discuss racism in America...," how would that be any different than referencing a blog? Why should we ignore a potentially wonderful topic of discussion based simply on the posters' names, or the random inspiration for their topic of interest?

:roll:
-------

The topic is certainly interesting. Why is bigotry acceptable if/when it's done by those with a better education or those with more money and influence? Or when it's exhibited by a group (party) that you otherwise identify with philosophically?

IMO, it is never acceptable to apply labels and levy accusations against entire groups of people based on some demographic factor. To me, doing so demonstrates ignorance, pain, or fear, on the part of the accuser.

Which is it in this case?

Is this a joke? Let me explain to you why the source matters. In his Salon article, Mr. Lind drops this little gem:

"There were lots of news stories about pro-gay-rights liberals denouncing the Mormon Church for its role in the campaign. Where were the liberals angrily denouncing black and Latino voters opposed to gay marriage?"

He's completely wrong. I have vivid memories of numerous articles and opinion pieces pointing out the irony of black Americans' success in the election of Obama, and their simlutaneous role in destroying the civil rights of another group. There was a huge amount of anger and resentment on the left for it. Oh, and we paid a price. We were chided and ridiculed by the right for not all voting the same way. (Mostly, I think, because the right didn't have much more to celebrate on that day)

The issue with the Mormon church was completely separate and related to the fact that a tax exempt institution was funnelling money for political causes.

If you're not heavily biased you don't make that kind of mistake.

Thank you God. A reasoned response.

PS: We could use some evidence to back that claim.

Also I am far more willing to attack Mormons than I am blacks and Hespanics so the criticism applies to me.
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: ayabe
This is as silly as it was when I read it this morning.

It's comparing apples to oranges, blacks have a right to be paranoid, have a history of being abused, do not have equal access to education in all cases, etc, etc.

Birthers choose to be stupid, do not have any history of being trodden upon as the ethnic majority for the entire history of the US, etc etc. As far as being exploited, these people love being exploited - by allowing the Republican party to use wedge issues to get these people to vote against their own self interests. Again, this is their own fault.

That's how they keep them in the loop and that's why every successive generation seems to become more deranged....because things are getting worse for them, they are just too stupid to realize the real cause and instead will lay ever increasing levels of blame on ghosts, like the MSM, or libruls, science, or Obamacare.

That is the lamest excuse I have heard in a long time. Really, because of history Blacks are ok to be bigoted and ignorant about topics but birthers arent?

Guess you missed the reference to the Tuskegee experiments in the article, or you didn't read it.

"Black paranoia about AIDS is understandable, given the Tuskegee experiments" -that's in the article and I agree with it.

Got anything like that to back up the birthers paranoia?

You also don't have D politicians out there pushing this "myth" for political advantage.
 

Perknose

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PJ, neither you nor Patranus are as bad as the legendarily bad political spam bot Riprorin. He single-handedly caused the institution of the rule that you have to leave your own comment along with any link you post in your OP.

But, when I see that you two have authored a full 25 of the first one hundred topics here, his late and unlamented troll memory is the very first thing that comes to mind.

Disproportionately linking to extreme blog-like opinion pieces may tickle your partisan fancy, but it is neither a helpful nor a useful thing for furthering any meaningful discussion here on P&N.

After your extended honeymoon period here of unbridled enthusiasm, hopefully both of you will settle down.
 

jonks

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Obama is a Kenyan sleeper agent who wants to institute youth re-education camps and insurance death squads for the elderly and disabled.

Who's lost their grip on sanity? sheesh.