Are Liberals really closet racists?

[ShotgunSteven]

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<< there is discrimination by conservatives
such as...? >>

The Klu Klux Klan hasn't any Black Members yet! I should have said that Whitey discriminates, not just conservatives (because there are Minorities that are conservative) >>



I was turned down for a scholarship from the United Negro College Fund once they found out I was caucasian. I met all the other criteria. Sounds like racism to me!

 

[ShotgunSteven]

<< Has anyone here ever been a victim of Affirmative Action? >>



I was. I applied to the Seattle Police Academy and went through the testing, both physical and written. Upon passing the review board, I was informed off the record that they were not hiring any white males at the time, since they were only attempting to fill their minority quota.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< I blame the people that elected the morons. >>

The same types that elected the Morons we have in the Federal Government now.



<< I blame the people that elected the morons >>

Yeah like what you think about this or any other situation is of any importance too anybody but yourself. You act as if your opinion means something. It doesn't and you are as insignificant as the next Yahoo who's dillusioned enough to think that they matter.



<< I don't have any handlers and if I do I'm not familiar with them. I have conservative leanings, I'm not a Republican. >>

Thats funny, you sound as if you do. In fact you sound just like a Republican Poster Boy. Anytime now I expect a &quot;Feminazi&quot; out of you.



<< And it has been total government intrusion which the liberal democrats in this country are advocating which led to the rising of men such as Hitler and Stalin. >>

Not so fast, it was the Demonization of opposition groups like the Jews that enabled the Nazis ahd Hitler to rise to power, just like the Ultra Conservative Republicans are trying to do no only to Democrat Liberals but to Moderate Democrats, Centrist Independents and Moderates within their own party.



<< Are you self employed? >>

Yes I am and I have been for 6 years though I do work for a friend when things get a little slow.



<< . Price caps have never helped our economy in any given situation. They have only caused problems. >>

Tell me bucko, how is this going to hurt our situation here? They won't effect our bills as we have an alloted amount of elelctricity we can use until we are hit with a penalty so we will conserve (and many conserve so they don't hit that limit) What this will do is enable PG&amp;E and Con Ed to become Solvent and it will enable California to regain it's Credit Rating. We already have 13 Power Plants under Construction and by the Sunmmer of 2003 we will have surplus power being generated in the State so deregulation will actually work. That is also when the Price Caps will be lifted. The Price Caps are just a temporary measure because the Power Generators from Texas, Oklahoma and the South can't be trusted to be honest about their pricing.

 

[NovaTerra]

<< Racism is the fallacy of believing that another race is inferior strictly on the basis of being of a different race, or that one race is superior to another. And you accuse me of not knowing what racism is. >>



Now, please apply that statement to the article. You still cannot find a single instance in the article where the people are talking about a RACE. They are talking about one person, Justice Thomas. What are you, a fscking mind reader? Any rational (i.e.; someone without a hard on to bash liberals) person would say that those speaking against Justice Thomas in this article have no love for the man...but never do they say that all blacks are inferior or that whites are superior to blacks. So, by your own definition, you have just disproved your original statement!

And do not try to use &quot;implied racism&quot; bullsh!t here. You can infer racism anywhere you want, but there is nothing in the article to &quot;implies&quot; racism.

I believe that you can talk about one person without being disrespectful of his race or political affiliations. You, apparently, do not think that is possible.

Maybe the thread should be retitled to something like:
&quot;Are all liberal bashers closet morons?&quot;

 

[67gt500]

Yeah like what you think about this or any other situation is of any importance too anybody but yourself. You act as if your opinion means something. It doesn't and you are as insignificant as the next Yahoo who's dillusioned enough to think that they matter.

Once again you go off on a tangent. The only deluded one here is yourself if you think that these five year old remarks are going to somehow make everyone forget that you have nothing else to offer.





Yeah like what you think about this or any other situation is of any importance too anybody but yourself. You act as if your opinion means something. It doesn't and you are as insignificant as the next Yahoo who's dillusioned enough to think that they matter.

Tell you what then. Stop replying. It is as easy as that. If what I say doesn't matter, stop replying. But you haven't, you keep replying. You are tripping over your own words.


Thats funny, you sound as if you do. In fact you sound just like a Republican Poster Boy. Anytime now I expect a &quot;Feminazi&quot; out of you.

And you sound like a liberal in disguise. But calling you a liberal in disguise accomplishes what? Nothing. Verbal abuse makes you look pathetic.


Not so fast, it was the Demonization of opposition groups like the Jews that enabled the Nazis ahd Hitler to rise to power, just like the Ultra Conservative Republicans are trying to do no only to Democrat Liberals but to Moderate Democrats, Centrist Independents and Moderates within their own party.

Wrong. It was the acting out against the opposition. Demonization occurs on both fronts. Only when a group decides it is time to exterminate the opposition do situations like that arise.




Tell me bucko, how is this going to hurt our situation here? They won't effect our bills as we have an alloted amount of elelctricity we can use until we are hit with a penalty so we will conserve (and many conserve so they don't hit that limit) What this will do is enable PG&amp;E and Con Ed to become Solvent and it will enable California to regain it's Credit Rating. We already have 13 Power Plants under Construction and by the Sunmmer of 2003 we will have surplus power being generated in the State so deregulation will actually work. That is also when the Price Caps will be lifted. The Price Caps are just a temporary measure because the Power Generators from Texas, Oklahoma and the South can't be trusted to be honest about their pricing.

Laws exist against price gouging. Enforce the current laws.

I asked you for a situation where price caps have ever benefited an economy or a sector of an economy. You couldn't provide one. I rest my case.

 

[glenn1]

<< I believe that you can talk about one person without being disrespectful of his race or political affiliations. You, apparently, do not think that is possible. >>



Fine, then if it's solely about Clarence Thomas, and not a racial issue at all, let them invite another black conservative to the debate. May i suggest Dr. Thomas Sowell? Or would an invite to him serve to have him rather convieniently end up being labeled as Hitler-like as well, since he is black and holds views which the same people who opposed Mr. Thomas would also likely find objectionable? Methinks he shouldn't be holding his breath awaiting an invitation....

I guess for certain Liberals, it's fine to be black, as long as you agree with them and know your place...

 

[67gt500]

Now, please apply that statement to the article. You still cannot find a single instance in the article where the people are talking about a RACE. They are talking about one person, Justice Thomas. What are you, a fscking mind reader? Any rational (i.e.; someone without a hard on to bash liberals) person would say that those speaking against Justice Thomas in this article have no love for the man...but never do they say that all blacks are inferior or that whites are superior to blacks. So, by your own definition, you have just disproved your original statement!


Uncle Tom is a racist reference no matter how you spin it. Referring to a black conservative as a no good uncle tom is racist. The term uncle tom cannot apply if he was white. Uncle tom is entirely dependant on race.


Spin it all you'd like. For people claiming to represent american this is shameful. A debate between the ACLU's honolulu president and Thomas on affirmative action would have been worthwhile. Sadly they'd rather have a couple of white people discuss an issue which directly involves those who are not white.

 

[NovaTerra]

<< Fine, then if it's solely about Clarence Thomas, and not a racial issue at all, let them invite another black conservative to the debate. May i suggest Dr. Thomas Sowell? Or would an invite to him serve to have him rather convieniently end up being labeled as Hitler-like as well, since he is black and holds views which the same people who opposed Mr. Thomas would also likely find objectionable? Methinks he shouldn't be holding his breath awaiting an invitation.... >>



To paraphrase Ronald Reagan: &quot;There you go again.&quot;
You try to butress your fallacious argument with an illogical assumption? That is even worse than trying to paint an entire group based on the statements of three persons.

I would welcome Dr. Sowell to such a debate. At least Dr. Sowell does not have a record that includes accusations of sexual harassment and intellectual dishonesty.

 

[67gt500]

At least Dr. Sowell does not have a record that includes accusations of sexual harassment and intellectual dishonesty.


ah yes accusations.

let's base qualifications on accusations.

Clarence Thomas would be your cup of tea if he was in line with your 'fallacious' mental deficiency.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< You are tripping over your own words. >>

The hell I am, you are just repeating the same old tired Rhetoric that others have said here and I might add, much more convincingly


<< Tell you what then. Stop replying. It is as easy as that. >>

You see that's your problem, you keep telling others what to do. You just show up and you expect others to give you respect that you haven't earned nor do you deserve.



<< The only deluded one here is yourself if you think that these five year old remarks are going to somehow make everyone forget that you have nothing else to offer. >>

Offer? What is there to offer? Do you actually think you have something of worth to offer us? You are just another one of the robotic-like Ultra Conservative Drones that populate this place.
I would be deluded if I thought what I said really mattered to anybody else but I don't. You on the other hand think every thing you say is so profound. Well before you start patting yourself on the back keep this in mind, I've been able to engage you over the last 5 hours with tit for tat bullsh!t and you haven't even figured out what I was doing. It wasn't hard, your types always get your panties in a wad when someone calls them on their BullSh!t. You just can't fathom that others think you are gasbags who only say &quot;Blah..Blah..Blah..it's the Liberals fault..Blah Blah Blah.. you are a liberal..Blah..Blah..Blah&quot;

 

[Rio Rebel]

<< Obviously you know nothing about the very people you defend. Helms and Cheney have voted against every single minority program for the last 20 years. Both have done interviews and said some things that really I just don't even want to get into. Lott? How much more proof do you need than the man doing interviews for an outright clearly racist magazine. And he is also very much in favor of having the Confederate flag fly. >>



Obviously YOU know nothing about what YOU'RE talking about. I wouldn't try to defend Jesse Helms - everyone knows he's the poster boy for liberal attacks, just as Ted Kennedy is the favorite target of attacks from the other direction.

Cheney and Lott, on the other hand, are simply people YOU don't agree with so you paint them up as racists. Either you don't slow down and give enough thought to your very pointed and serious attacks, or you are such a completely brainwashed extremist that you paint anyone to the right of center as horrible racists.

This is nothing new - it is a tactic used by people like yourself for some time now: labeling your opposition as racists, nazis, or religious fundamentalists. (In fairness, conservatives have their own tactics, like creating a &quot;liberal conspiracy&quot; behind every rock and painting their opponents as unethical, Godless, and anti-American).

 

[glenn1]

<< That is even worse than trying to paint an entire group based on the statements of three persons. >>



You are quite obviously being willfully self-deceptive. I have said repeatedly that i am not calling liberals as a class of people racist, only those people who made the statements about Justice Thomas, and individual liberals who for political reasons will not stand up to rebuke them. You have also repeatedly made the claim that they never referred to race,



<< You still cannot find a single instance in the article where the people are talking about a RACE. >>




when they clearly stated that he was &quot;a black Uncle Tom.&quot; Yet you continue to argue that they never mentioned his race. And along with your fallacious argument that something can't be racist if you're only referring to a single person. So if i called someone a &quot;dirty ni**er,&quot; but only one person, that wouldn't be racist? Okay, i'm sure that black organizations agree with that reasoning :disgust:

 

[67gt500]

ahahaha red dawn.

I'll ask it again. Cite one example where price caps have positively benefited our economy or a sector of our economy.

I'll continue to wait.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< Cheney and Lott, on the other hand, are simply people YOU don't agree with so you paint them up as racists. >>

They wouldn't be in the position they are in if they were racist. Of course Lott is a bonafide asshole, even Bush dislikes him. As long as I live I will never forget him and that Texas Asshole Tom De Lay using the Elian Gonzales situation to try and smear the Clinton Andminstration. Of course when the polls came out showing overwhelming approval of the Adminstrations view, they backed off faster than a Horny Hound Dog trying to mount an angry Alabama Polecat

 

[Red Dawn]

I don't have one example regarding Price Caps. Sorry but I never researched it. Of course I can't remember a situation where Power Companies Gouged a whole State like Enron has either.

 

[glenn1]

<< I would welcome Dr. Sowell to such a debate. At least Dr. Sowell does not have a record that includes accusations of sexual harassment and intellectual dishonesty >>



Funny you should mention those two items in particular... let's go through this same exercise, but humor me a bit and let's make some slight changes, and see if you change your tune....

&quot;Bringing Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. sends a message that the Hawaii GOP promotes and honors a black un-American anti-war agitator.?

&quot;Dr. King is an anti-Christ, a Hitler, and it?s like having a serial murderer debate the value of life.&quot;

&quot;I didn?t want to invite him then, and I still don?t. If not Hitler, he is a Goebbels.&quot;

?The fact that Dr. King has benefited from the very civil-rights problems he decries (in accepting the Nobel Peace Prize), makes his invitation particularly racially sensitive.?

&quot;an intellectual fraud and plagiarizer&quot;

&quot;intellectual capacity is not there.&quot;

&quot;a chauvinist and sexist who cheats on his wife&quot;

?There?s a chance, even a likelihood, that a lot of people might like his views.?


But of course, those statements would be fine with you too i suppose, using your same logic?

 

[67gt500]

I don't have one example regarding Price Caps. Sorry but I never researched it. Of course I can't remember a situation where Power Companies Gouged a whole State like Enron has either.

Then please do not sit here and tell me that price caps are a wonderful idea when we all know they never work.

And we as a nation are waiting for the class action suit against Enron. We are awaiting the results.

 

[przero]

Red Dawn, AGAIN yuo people in Ca. ain't being gouged! That's what we pay too.Have for a long time. Or maybe you would like the nation to subsidize you wonderful people in Ca.? What a &quot;liberal&quot; notion.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< Then please do not sit here and tell me that price caps are a wonderful idea when we all know they never work. >>

QWell there you go again. I never said that they were a wonderful thing. At best they are a necessary evil. Also, how do &quot;we all know it won't work&quot;? Because an Idiot like you who posts 50 times a day says it won't?

przero bends over, places a hand on both cheeks at out came


<< AGAIN yuo people in Ca. ain't being gouged! That's what we pay too.Have for a long time. Or maybe you would like the nation to subsidize you wonderful people in Ca.? What a &quot;liberal&quot; notion. >>

Tell me Waterboy, how are you guys going to subsidize us? BTW, this Price Cap isn't just for California but for all of the Western States.

 

[przero]

Red Dawn , I never attacked you personally. I find your attitude offensive. Of course you will call me an idiot or worse for this post. so maybe we can arrange a face to face and then see how you talk!

 

[NovaTerra]

<< ...But of course, those statements would be fine with you too i suppose, using your same logic? >>



Comparing Dr. King to Clarence Thomas is laughable. I won't even go there. It is possible, however that similar statements were made about Dr. King by the very conservatives with which you profess to not associate.

Calling an individual an &quot;Uncle Tom&quot; does not paint his entire race with the same brush. The difference between the statements made in the article and racist statements can be very clear...but nowhere in the article does this happen. The difference between calling someone an &quot;Uncle Tom&quot; and calling someone a &quot;ni&amp;&amp;er&quot; should be obvious to you.

It also should be obvious to you that your argument falls flat on it's face when you look at it logically:

&quot;Uncle Tom&quot; refers to actions taken by a black person; whether that accusation is true or not depends completely upon how those actions are viewed by the person making the statement. The term has nothing to do with all black persons.

&quot;Ni&amp;&amp;er&quot; refers to persons with a particular skin color; and refers to all black persons no matter who they are or what they do. This terminology is racist on it's face.

A side note to Red: I am not reading 67gt (the asshole of the month)'s posts. You should do the same; responding to them only gives the little piece of excrement what he wants: attention.

 

[NovaTerra]

<< Let's turn the situation around. Let's say instead of an ACLU invitation to Clarence Thomas, it was a Heritage Foundation invitation to Louis Farrakhan. You're telling me that if Heritage members agitated against Farrakhan's appearance, and used similar statements (change &quot;black Uncle Tom&quot; to &quot;black apologist for the Holocaust&quot;, 'anti-Christ', Hitler) would you not say that was inappropriate and racial in nature? I would, and in this case, i do. >>



I would say that these people have the right to free speech, and if they want to keep Louis Farakook away, more power to them. But when they make statements like that, it does not mean that ALL BLACKS are like Louis Farrakook! Any thinking person understands that.

Which may be the crux of your problem.

 

[przero]

What exactly annoys you people about Justice Thomas?

 

[Rio Rebel]

What annoys most left-thinking people about Clarence Thomas is that he has the audacity to think for himself, come to his own conclusions, and not follow along as a part of the &quot;black community&quot; like they expect.

In fact, Justice Thomas even has the audacity to not appreciate all the &quot;advantages&quot; that the welfare state has gone to the trouble to give him and &quot;his people&quot;. Can you believe it?

Since he doesn't buy into the philosophy that black people are intellectually inferior and need our handouts to succeed, then he must be an Uncle Tom who has been bought off by the conservative establishment. After all, all black people are supposed to be democrats, right?

*shaking head*

 

[Red Dawn]

Prozac Zero

<< . I find your attitude offensive. Of course you will call me an idiot or worse for this post. so maybe we can arrange a face to face and then see how you talk! >>

Thanks for confirming that you are a complete Moron.