Are liberals or conservatives more likely to suffer from paranoia?

[Moonbeam]

Moonbeam has his own truth, which is no more or less truthy than anyone elses truth. But it belongs only to him.

I believe you are mistaken. I find my truth everywhere in those rare folk who know they know nothing. There is alway that which remains when everything else is taken. You may not know it but learning is unlearning. Hav you fallen in love with your knowledge. If so it will be hard for you to let go.

 

[shortylickens]

WHY THE FUCK DID YOU ASK?

😡

 

[alzan]

Hehehehe perhaps....

After a bazillion years of trying to figure out what makes us tick, I've come to the conclusion [at the moment] that our brains are wired based on genetics and mistakes and what ever the evolutionary process provides... Taking this wired brain and confronting its early environment produces what is contained in the sub-conscious. Behavior is motivated by something... I maintain it is the result of the wiring and the effect the environment has on that particular brain.

Moonster's theory of Truthiness is reasonable based on observable phenomenon. That is part of the wiring process. It must be based on Genetic evolution from Mom and Dad and perhaps Gramps and Grandma too...

So when you chomp on those two pieces of bread consider why you think as you do. Is it how you're wired or is it also a function of your environment too... I say it is. Some on the Right find comfort there and may not have all those boogie men in the Sub-Conscious at all... But for sure some do... Same on the Left...

As Geo. Carlin said, "... Maybe Earth needed Plastic... and created us to provide it..."

True. How and why we think in our own particular ways is also filtered through the various roadblocks and speed bumps we've setup in our minds to deal(or not deal) with reality. These boogie men that we've sometimes created for ourselves do give us temporary comfort but ultimately cause us to work against our own or society's interest.

I think the secret to not being paranoid, excluding physiological factors, is changing how you react to your environment. Take a bite of the sandwich of truth and digest it; you may be surprised at how it nourishes your mind.

 

[Greenman]

I believe you are mistaken. I find my truth everywhere in those rare folk who know they know nothing. There is alway that which remains when everything else is taken. You may not know it but learning is unlearning. Hav you fallen in love with your knowledge. If so it will be hard for you to let go.

And moonie discovers solipsism. Are we to be regaled with an endless stream of "you don't exist" posts now?

 

[SirStev0]

Yeah this thread isn't just some partisan pissing war.

 

[LunarRay]

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I think the secret to not being paranoid, excluding physiological factors, is changing how you react to your environment. Take a bite of the sandwich of truth and digest it; you may be surprised at how it nourishes your mind.

The W.H.O. has developed a list but they also indicate that the environment one lives in may mitigate some aspect or another in the diagnosis of PPD. [Paranoid Personality Disorder]

They list.. well.. I'll copy it..

They list paranoid personality disorder as the following: Well... I went to wikipedia and they show this... I'm familiar with a more exhaustive listing but this will do.

"The World Health Organization's ICD-10 lists paranoid personality disorder as (F60.0) Paranoid personality disorder.[5]
It is characterized by at least three of the following:

1. excessive sensitivity to setbacks and rebuffs;
2. tendency to bear grudges persistently, i.e. refusal to forgive insults and injuries or slights;
3. suspiciousness and a pervasive tendency to distort experience by misconstruing the neutral or friendly actions of others as hostile or contemptuous;
4. a combative and tenacious sense of personal rights out of keeping with the actual situation;
5. recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding sexual fidelity of spouse or sexual partner;
6. tendency to experience excessive self-importance, manifest in a persistent self-referential attitude;
7. preoccupation with unsubstantiated "conspiratorial" explanations of events both immediate to the patient and in the world at large.

Includes:

• expansive paranoid, fanatic, querulant and sensitive paranoid personality (disorder)

Excludes:

• delusional disorder
• schizophrenia (...)"

It is important, I think, to include the environment one lives in to formulate the above... IF you lived in Iraq and feared Saddam I'd not think that to be Paranoid.... Or if you're a Catholic and fear hell... you get my drift... 😀

 

[LunarRay]

A great example of 'Querulant' would be someone who at every opportunity brings in to a conversation their view toward inequality between men and women as it relates to child rearing and support... They feel wronged... hehehehehhehe But, usually that has to do with petty issues... not the big fat issues of supporting one's child...

Hehehe

Religious fanaticism fits perfectly....

 

[alzan]

The W.H.O. has developed a list but they also indicate that the environment one lives in may mitigate some aspect or another in the diagnosis of PPD. [Paranoid Personality Disorder]

They list.. well.. I'll copy it..

They list paranoid personality disorder as the following: Well... I went to wikipedia and they show this... I'm familiar with a more exhaustive listing but this will do.

"The World Health Organization's ICD-10 lists paranoid personality disorder as (F60.0) Paranoid personality disorder.[5]
It is characterized by at least three of the following:

1. excessive sensitivity to setbacks and rebuffs;
2. tendency to bear grudges persistently, i.e. refusal to forgive insults and injuries or slights;
3. suspiciousness and a pervasive tendency to distort experience by misconstruing the neutral or friendly actions of others as hostile or contemptuous;
4. a combative and tenacious sense of personal rights out of keeping with the actual situation;
5. recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding sexual fidelity of spouse or sexual partner;
6. tendency to experience excessive self-importance, manifest in a persistent self-referential attitude;
7. preoccupation with unsubstantiated "conspiratorial" explanations of events both immediate to the patient and in the world at large.

Includes:

• expansive paranoid, fanatic, querulant and sensitive paranoid personality (disorder)

Excludes:

• delusional disorder
• schizophrenia (...)"

It is important, I think, to include the environment one lives in to formulate the above... IF you lived in Iraq and feared Saddam I'd not think that to be Paranoid.... Or if you're a Catholic and fear hell... you get my drift... 😀

Gadzooks, man! Please don't post the more exhaustive list; I see three or four that have manifested themselves at some point in my life, not more than two at the same time or for days/weeks at a time, thank goodness. You throw the whole list up and I may have to cart myself off to the local psych ward.

Great, that's one statistic I never wanted to make.

 

[LunarRay]

Gadzooks, man! Please don't post the more exhaustive list; I see three or four that have manifested themselves at some point in my life, not more than two at the same time or for days/weeks at a time, thank goodness. You throw the whole list up and I may have to cart myself off to the local psych ward.

Great, that's one statistic I never wanted to make.

hehehehehehe Right... 😀

Fear and or its partner don't cause folks to always delve into irrational behavior or PPD. Not in my opinion, anyhow.

I see folks who sorta move back and forth depending on other or concurrent circumstances... An idle mind conjures a lot differently than one engaged in something... I'd think Van Gogh would have been seen as nuttier had his painting not worked for him... even though he didn't sell many. Wiring or environment or both?... Too far away to tell...

I find a great truth in asking a person [as in a job interview] questions related to Myers-Briggs Personalities to see if they fit where my needs reside...
Some respond with what they THINK the right answer is while others ask deeper questions to better understand how to honestly answer... There is no right answer... hehehehehe but some find bad is this or that and want answering accordingly...
I then started asking folks outside the work environment, friends and peers and others to take the test... I was amazed that folks I lived with would also apply that same tactic to the questions... I know what they do when the phone rings... for instance, but they answer with what they see as the correct response... or seek more detail... and it is always the Conservative folks who answer with a contrary to their actions response.. and Liberals ask for greater details... Almost always..
They do answer consistent with their actions when they feel it is the proper response, though... The Conservatives, that is.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The W.H.O. has developed a list but they also indicate that the environment one lives in may mitigate some aspect or another in the diagnosis of PPD. [Paranoid Personality Disorder]

They list.. well.. I'll copy it..

They list paranoid personality disorder as the following: Well... I went to wikipedia and they show this... I'm familiar with a more exhaustive listing but this will do.

"The World Health Organization's ICD-10 lists paranoid personality disorder as (F60.0) Paranoid personality disorder.[5]
It is characterized by at least three of the following:

1. excessive sensitivity to setbacks and rebuffs;
2. tendency to bear grudges persistently, i.e. refusal to forgive insults and injuries or slights;
3. suspiciousness and a pervasive tendency to distort experience by misconstruing the neutral or friendly actions of others as hostile or contemptuous;
4. a combative and tenacious sense of personal rights out of keeping with the actual situation;
5. recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding sexual fidelity of spouse or sexual partner;
6. tendency to experience excessive self-importance, manifest in a persistent self-referential attitude;
7. preoccupation with unsubstantiated "conspiratorial" explanations of events both immediate to the patient and in the world at large.

Includes:

• expansive paranoid, fanatic, querulant and sensitive paranoid personality (disorder)

Excludes:

• delusional disorder
• schizophrenia (...)"

It is important, I think, to include the environment one lives in to formulate the above... IF you lived in Iraq and feared Saddam I'd not think that to be Paranoid.... Or if you're a Catholic and fear hell... you get my drift... 😀

Egads, I work with this woman.

 

[alzan]

hehehehehehe Right... 😀

Fear and or its partner don't cause folks to always delve into irrational behavior or PPD. Not in my opinion, anyhow.

I see folks who sorta move back and forth depending on other or concurrent circumstances... An idle mind conjures a lot differently than one engaged in something... I'd think Van Gogh would have been seen as nuttier had his painting not worked for him... even though he didn't sell many. Wiring or environment or both?... Too far away to tell...

I find a great truth in asking a person [as in a job interview] questions related to Myers-Briggs Personalities to see if they fit where my needs reside...
Some respond with what they THINK the right answer is while others ask deeper questions to better understand how to honestly answer... There is no right answer... hehehehehe but some find bad is this or that and want answering accordingly...
I then started asking folks outside the work environment, friends and peers and others to take the test... I was amazed that folks I lived with would also apply that same tactic to the questions... I know what they do when the phone rings... for instance, but they answer with what they see as the correct response... or seek more detail... and it is always the Conservative folks who answer with a contrary to their actions response.. and Liberals ask for greater details... Almost always..
They do answer consistent with their actions when they feel it is the proper response, though... The Conservatives, that is.

Bold: I've been thinking about that with regards to myself: I'm more likely to "knee-jerk" respond depending on environmental clues, (intonation, inflection, facial gestures) and less likely to run my response through my wired "filters" when those clues are perceived as being negative or challenging in nature. When the person is a friend my response is incorrect 50% of the time because I don't figure in the "gotcha' factor" for them attempting to go for the throat. Or it could be me committing mental suicide by looking for challenges when they're not there.

I'm not sure if that's a paranoid response or not but it's certainly self-defeating.

 

[dmcowen674]

Wolverines should be feared

 

[Greenman]

hehehehehehe Right... 😀

Fear and or its partner don't cause folks to always delve into irrational behavior or PPD. Not in my opinion, anyhow.

I see folks who sorta move back and forth depending on other or concurrent circumstances... An idle mind conjures a lot differently than one engaged in something... I'd think Van Gogh would have been seen as nuttier had his painting not worked for him... even though he didn't sell many. Wiring or environment or both?... Too far away to tell...

I find a great truth in asking a person [as in a job interview] questions related to Myers-Briggs Personalities to see if they fit where my needs reside...
Some respond with what they THINK the right answer is while others ask deeper questions to better understand how to honestly answer... There is no right answer... hehehehehe but some find bad is this or that and want answering accordingly...
I then started asking folks outside the work environment, friends and peers and others to take the test... I was amazed that folks I lived with would also apply that same tactic to the questions... I know what they do when the phone rings... for instance, but they answer with what they see as the correct response... or seek more detail... and it is always the Conservative folks who answer with a contrary to their actions response.. and Liberals ask for greater details... Almost always..
They do answer consistent with their actions when they feel it is the proper response, though... The Conservatives, that is.

I read this twice and don't understand what you're saying, or even what the point is. This sentence really stumped me, "hehehehehe but some find bad is this or that and want answering accordingly".
The part about answering the phone is very unclear as well. At home I answer "hello". At work I answer with "this is Rick", my voice mail message starts with "good day". Doesn't everyone answer in much the same manner?

 

[infoiltrator]

Conservatives are afraid they will lose "the past that never was" while liberals are afraid that conservative will prevent their attempting to deal with the future.

Both can be extremely paranoid.

Conservatives tend to reenforce each others fears.

Liberals are usually too busy arguing with each other..

 

[LunarRay]

Egads, I work with this woman.

So that is where my wife works.... Hmmm She must fly a lot and I'm daft enough to think folks like to bike it cuz of the gas cost... 🙂

 

[LunarRay]

Bold: I've been thinking about that with regards to myself: I'm more likely to "knee-jerk" respond depending on environmental clues, (intonation, inflection, facial gestures) and less likely to run my response through my wired "filters" when those clues are perceived as being negative or challenging in nature. When the person is a friend my response is incorrect 50% of the time because I don't figure in the "gotcha' factor" for them attempting to go for the throat. Or it could be me committing mental suicide by looking for challenges when they're not there.

I'm not sure if that's a paranoid response or not but it's certainly self-defeating.

I needed to hire a Controller for our Ireland facility way back in '81. I interviewed about 50 folks (Irish folks in Ireland) and settled on a person from Raybestos Manhattan a company that was closing down due to the brake linings they made and like that...
This person was marginally an Accountant but he impressed me with his responses to the extent that we went to dinner with the notion I'd ask him lots more questions... After about ten hours of my questions and his questions regarding my questions I finally got done...

He proved to be an ENTJ personality.... But one who seemed to tear apart stuff until the answer was found that he could honestly answer. I knew he'd not be the type to kick back during a board meeting puffing on a cigar but, rather, be bugging them with his questions and his calling BS on what he saw that was BS.... 🙂
I hired this person!
I didn't care if he was a left handed pygmy dwarf leprechaun... He fit... After I left he became Managing Director and hired his own Controller... hehehehehe

That is what I use this stuff for.... Who fits where... Well, it is what I used to use it for... now I just think about it all... hehehehe

It takes far more than I could ever have an interest in learning to diagnose PPD... although, some things are obvious... usually after the fact.
I figure folks are motivated by something and it is that something that gets its start somewhere and that is what intrigues me.

 

[LunarRay]

I read this twice and don't understand what you're saying, or even what the point is. This sentence really stumped me, "hehehehehe but some find bad is this or that and want answering accordingly".
The part about answering the phone is very unclear as well. At home I answer "hello". At work I answer with "this is Rick", my voice mail message starts with "good day". Doesn't everyone answer in much the same manner?

Ok... I'm pretty conversant with Myers-Briggs and probably take for granted certain aspects that I refer to.

Answering the phone.... A person is either 'I' or 'E'... Introvert or Extrovert... Or somewhere in between. Now, what that means deals with does one lose energy to a crowd or gain energy from a crowd... When at a party does one stand to the side to preserve energy or do they maintain a position in the center drawing energy... When the phone rings does one rush to answer it or do they wish it would stop ringing... sorta similar to the party bit but a bit different.
If I were standing at a podium teaching a class by the time the class ended I'd be wasted... I'm very much an 'I'... but can perform as an 'E' at a price.
You'd not want an 'I' type as your lead sales person unless you know they have the capacity to endure not only the rejections but also the energy loss to continue on... They can do it but it costs them in the long run.

There are free testing gizmos on the Internet... about 40 questions that pigeon hole folks with some degree of reliability IF THEY ANSWER HONESTLY and not how they wish to be.... there is no correct answer unless you know you want to convince another you are their person.. but that would be a lie and this is about who you really are and why.

A true testing would involve hours of work and lots of observation by others and like that... Folks can mask and observation is only as good as what is true.

I hope I've answered your question. 🙂

I am an overwhelming INFJ. IOW, my honest answers are to the extreme of those letters.

The hardest part of answering is understanding the questions... they do pose issues so one must try hard to figure out what is meant by what is asked.

here is a test that is I think 95 questions long... just put in gender and proceed http://www.similarminds.com/embj.html

You'll get a four letter result with percentages... go to google and just type in those letters and there it is.

 

[Greenman]

Ok... I'm pretty conversant with Myers-Briggs and probably take for granted certain aspects that I refer to.

Answering the phone.... A person is either 'I' or 'E'... Introvert or Extrovert... Or somewhere in between. Now, what that means deals with does one lose energy to a crowd or gain energy from a crowd... When at a party does one stand to the side to preserve energy or do they maintain a position in the center drawing energy... When the phone rings does one rush to answer it or do they wish it would stop ringing... sorta similar to the party bit but a bit different.
If I were standing at a podium teaching a class by the time the class ended I'd be wasted... I'm very much an 'I'... but can perform as an 'E' at a price.
You'd not want an 'I' type as your lead sales person unless you know they have the capacity to endure not only the rejections but also the energy loss to continue on... They can do it but it costs them in the long run.

There are free testing gizmos on the Internet... about 40 questions that pigeon hole folks with some degree of reliability IF THEY ANSWER HONESTLY and not how they wish to be.... there is no correct answer unless you know you want to convince another you are their person.. but that would be a lie and this is about who you really are and why.

A true testing would involve hours of work and lots of observation by others and like that... Folks can mask and observation is only as good as what is true.

I hope I've answered your question. 🙂

I am an overwhelming INFJ. IOW, my honest answers are to the extreme of those letters.

The hardest part of answering is understanding the questions... they do pose issues so one must try hard to figure out what is meant by what is asked.

here is a test that is I think 95 questions long... just put in gender and proceed http://www.similarminds.com/embj.html

You'll get a four letter result with percentages... go to google and just type in those letters and there it is.

I think I see what you're getting at, though I don't see the connection to the OP.
As far as personality types go, I don't really care. In my business, I get paid when the job is done, someone is either helping me reach that goal, or in the way, there is no in between. My job is to drive the project forward while doing everything possible to mitigate the slowdowns caused by those who have no vested interest in finishing.

 

[LunarRay]

I think I see what you're getting at, though I don't see the connection to the OP.
As far as personality types go, I don't really care. In my business, I get paid when the job is done, someone is either helping me reach that goal, or in the way, there is no in between. My job is to drive the project forward while doing everything possible to mitigate the slowdowns caused by those who have no vested interest in finishing.

The connection to the Paranoia in the OP is to do with brain wiring and the environment that wiring encounters... Personality is simply a wiring/environment outcome.

Fear is a producer of Paranoia but how do you get fear and are two folks with dissimilar personalities prone to equally respond to the same fear stimuli? I maintain, no, they are not.

The folks on the Right have a greater (objectively produced data) capacity for fear... And the Left a lower capacity. This is wiring and structure but environment must play some part too...

 

[LunarRay]

My job is to drive the project forward while doing everything possible to mitigate the slowdowns caused by those who have no vested interest in finishing.

How you got to have a passion for your job, which I assume you do, is because it fits your personality type. Your personality is derived from how you are wired and how that was nurtured as a youth...

Your ending comment regarding '... no vested interest in finishing' might be interesting to pursue but it is above my pay grade. It could be seen as a fear that there are folks who'd keep you from pushing your agenda or that they may apathetic to your desire and focused elsewhere... I don't know but what I do know is each of us is different and look at stuff with our own eyes... And.... I understand some or many folks can't buy into my theory or any other proposed theory at all or maybe partially depending on their own observations.

Plato said Socrates said, "... the only thing I know for sure is that I know nothing for sure".... With that I agree.

Can you imagine trying to explain the color orange to Helen Keller before she picked up on braille.

 

[Moonbeam]

How

Plato said Socrates said, "... the only thing I know for sure is that I know nothing for sure".... With that I agree.

Can you imagine trying to explain the color orange to Helen Keller before she picked up on braille.

Oh boy, you discovered solipsism. You're in trouble now.

 

[Moonbeam]

The connection to the Paranoia in the OP is to do with brain wiring and the environment that wiring encounters... Personality is simply a wiring/environment outcome.

Fear is a producer of Paranoia but how do you get fear and are two folks with dissimilar personalities prone to equally respond to the same fear stimuli? I maintain, no, they are not.

The folks on the Right have a greater (objectively produced data) capacity for fear... And the Left a lower capacity. This is wiring and structure but environment must play some part too...

Suppose the universe exists to become conscious of itself and that what the human brain can become conscious of is the human portion of that, all that a man or woman can be, that the human mind evolves toward what the universe seeks, that the brain is an infinite potential limited only by what experience wires it to be. One could maybe say in such a case that genes and some fixed wiring is not the issue, but the experiences that limit expression of our infinite potential. I believe that we are so much less than what your potential is that any genetic difference in potential is of little relevance, that the cage we call self is our prison, and that we do not know what it means to be free. Imagine what the potential of folk who post here who clearly have know idea of how limited they are by their inability to think, folk who have no idea at all what it means to honestly self reflect. To me it is obvious that is motivated, and not wired in, except as a habituation. Folk weren't born to be blind, I don't think. It's something that happens to us out of need, I think.

 

[LunarRay]

Oh boy, you discovered solipsism. You're in trouble now.

I do know I exist and only suspect you do... that ain't quite solipsism but near nuff... 😀

 

[LunarRay]

Suppose the universe exists to become conscious of itself and that what the human brain can become conscious of is the human portion of that, all that a man or woman can be, that the human mind evolves toward what the universe seeks, that the brain is an infinite potential limited only by what experience wires it to be. One could maybe say in such a case that genes and some fixed wiring is not the issue, but the experiences that limit expression of our infinite potential. I believe that we are so much less than what your potential is that any genetic difference in potential is of little relevance, that the cage we call self is our prison, and that we do not know what it means to be free. Imagine what the potential of folk who post here who clearly have know idea of how limited they are by their inability to think, folk who have no idea at all what it means to honestly self reflect. To me it is obvious that is motivated, and not wired in, except as a habituation. Folk weren't born to be blind, I don't think. It's something that happens to us out of need, I think.

So ... you'd not think me odd if I went out back and gathered up a pot full of various stuffs and had a discussion on why Time did not exist prior to the 'big bang' and after a bit my pot of stuff explained the creation of negative energy is the offset to all that we see...
Sure, the Universe has the potential to reason and therefore, consciousness...

It is wired in its way as I'm wired in mine... its environment is different than mine to the extent it is everywhere and I'm only here... affected by everything but not everywhere...

I can grow up to be an Artist while the universe has what I'd not be able to perceive to be Artistic talent... because I'm limited to what is Artistic by my reasoning...

My point is not that other stuff can have consciousness, but, rather, we can only see what we can see and that may or may not be consistent with out limited frame of reference... Liberal or Conservative and the process of getting there...

 

[Ninjahedge]

Conservative = Resistant to change.
Liberal = Willing to (consider) change/different POV.

Liberals, by definition, are less paranoid because of their accepting nature. they tend to be a bit more accepting and trusting.


TRUE liberals, that is. The conspiracy theorists are liberal in name only.

Conservatives feel uncomfortable about change and things that are different. Discomfort prompts one to avoid what is making them uncomfortable, to avoid it, and in some cases, fear it.

So, by nature, conservatives are more "paranoid" than liberals, although our media definition of both is grossly inaccurate.