Are Japan and China edging closer to war?

[dawheat]

You think China will listen?

Look at this U shape red line, China claims everything inside it as its territories. Blue lines = UN/international standard.

Lol that's sadly hilarious. Takes some balls to claim territory off the shore of Malaysia

 

[Svnla]

Lol that's sadly hilarious. Takes some balls to claim territory off the shore of Malaysia

You said the almost exactly words I was thinking about. Utterly ridiculous and funny if it was not true.

Smaller neighbors are happy with the blue lines per UN/international rules but China wants the whole thing because of "historic evidences", "undisputed territories" and so on....and where do they get the claims from? From some old maps that mentioned those places years (hundreds) ago.

 

[Dari]

Wow, the ultimate irony. Put your money where your mouth is... or all you're doing is- chest beating.

Ah, I see you're back for more. Wanna make a bet? Fine, I'll put down $50 and you promise me your fiancee for a night.

 

[Darwin333]

How the fuck is it "nothing but political talk" when both nations are deploying fighter aircrafts? People like you and the previous two posters are always the ones that are blase about the probability of war then shocked when conflict breaks out. People like you say this is all talk or the nations have far too much to lose to want to fight each other. But all that is nonsense. We just have to look at history to see countless escalations and eventual miscalculations. That's when things take on a life of their own...

We recently deployed fighter aircraft to escort a Russian bomber away from our airspace. Are we at the brink of war with Russia or do you think it was a political stunt?

 

[Darwin333]

You most certainly wouldnt.

You think the Chinese Navy and Air Force can go toe to toe with the US in the South China Sea???

 

[Zeze]

Ah, I see you're back for more. Wanna make a bet? Fine, I'll put down $50 and you promise me your fiancee for a night.

Talk about thin skinned. Why are you so angry?

All I've done here was to disagree with you without flaming. You constantly come back with sheer unwarranted nerd rage & personal attacks. First time disagreeing with someone on internet?

You must be fun at parties. Is everything okay at home?

 

[Fern]

This is an interesting story developing in Asia with Japan and China both basically feuding over islands which are pretty much worthless in terms of natural resources.
-snip-

I've read different. I've heard there are oil/natural gas deposits and the area is rich in fishing. I thought the fight was at least partially over the natural resources that go with the islands.

Fern

 

[Dari]

We recently deployed fighter aircraft to escort a Russian bomber away from our airspace. Are we at the brink of war with Russia or do you think it was a political stunt?

Is Russia claiming ownership of any of our territories?

Talk about thin skinned. Why are you so angry?

All I've done here was to disagree with you without flaming. You constantly come back with sheer unwarranted nerd rage & personal attacks. First time disagreeing with someone on internet?

You must be fun at parties. Is everything okay at home?

Angry? I made a counter-offer. I told you I don't make small bets. If you agree to my offer I'll happily put the $50 in an escrow account and I get to test drive the fiancee to make sure she's a she.

 

[blackangst1]

You think the Chinese Navy and Air Force can go toe to toe with the US in the South China Sea???

Pretty much this. There may be sabre rattling but there aint gonna be any war between the two. China wont go to war with the US.

 

[Zeze]

Angry? I made a counter-offer. I told you I don't make small bets. If you agree to my offer I'll happily put the $50 in an escrow account and I get to test drive the fiancee to make sure she's a she.

So much full of rage. 🙁 Do those childish empty insults mean to offend me or anyone?

I guess this is my first run-in with a classic P&N basement kid.

 

[StinkyPinky]

No way in hell Japan and China will go to war. They may have a skirmish perhaps, but a full on war? It would be ruinous for both countries.

 

[Dari]

So much full of rage. 🙁 Do those childish empty insults mean to offend me or anyone?

I guess this is my first run-in with a classic P&N basement kid.

I guess your answer is no. Well, if you have nothing substantial to say in this thread then I will ignore you.

 

[ShintaiDK]

We recently deployed fighter aircraft to escort a Russian bomber away from our airspace. Are we at the brink of war with Russia or do you think it was a political stunt?

Oh, we also do that! Common thing here.

 

[ShintaiDK]

You think the Chinese Navy and Air Force can go toe to toe with the US in the South China Sea???

GPS system would pretty much be the first victim. US economy collapse would be the next. I am sure you can figure out the rest.

 

[ShintaiDK]

No way in hell Japan and China will go to war. They may have a skirmish perhaps, but a full on war? It would be ruinous for both countries.

Exactly, besides some wars with some barkwards countries. Wars aint gonna happen anymore on earth.

 

[Dari]

GPS system would pretty much be the first victim. US economy collapse would be the next. I am sure you can figure out the rest.

Ahh, this must be one of those socialist European-Chinese fantasies. Keep dreaming, Pinky.

 

[randomrogue]

GPS system would pretty much be the first victim. US economy collapse would be the next. I am sure you can figure out the rest.

lol

You're from China not Denmark aren't you?

 

[Whiskey16]

GPS system would pretty much be the first victim. US economy collapse would be the next. I am sure you can figure out the rest.

Exactly -- too many negatives for either state to commit to direct action. On a military front, US projected forces are vulnerable against such a state and certainly cannot attain the so-famed hyperbolic supremacy so commonly portrayed by jingoisits.

For China's central party, the relative economic stability -- if not continued growth -- is all that is placating an adequate portion of the society from organising into a directly threatening rebellion.

/End? A desire for the status quo.

 

[PowerYoga]

So much full of rage. 🙁 Do those childish empty insults mean to offend me or anyone?

I guess this is my first run-in with a classic P&N basement kid.

Here's how you fix:

This message is hidden because Dari is on your ignore list.

 

[Svnla]

In the mean while, China is slowly bullying Philippines out of Scarborough Shoal (see the pic from my post above) = http://news.yahoo.com/philippines-taking-china-sea-fight-tribunal-093710216.html

 

[Dari]

In the mean while, China is slowly bullying Philippines out of Scarborough Shoal (see the pic from my post above) = http://news.yahoo.com/philippines-taking-china-sea-fight-tribunal-093710216.html

This puts China in a bind. They clearly do not want any form of arbitration. So this bold step goes against their bullying and may spur other countries to take similar steps. Should the UN rule against them, the Chinese may be forced into a position they are very uncomfortable with (China likes to keep a low profile internationally). Will their histrionics go into overdrive or will they finally adhere to reason and back off?

 

[Karl Agathon]

Formal war no.

A small warship lobbing shells at other ships; yes it could easily happen.

China will continue to press against Japan to determine what the tolerance is.

That tolerance will be when Japan pushes bck with more than words.

Red China is a belligerent bully that will become the next Nazi Germany (or something very close) within 50 to 75 years. Japan should in effect, tell the US to go to hell and reverse its consitiution and go nuclear as fast as possible. Japan needs a strong nuclear deterent to its ever increasing bellicose neighbor. Japan wont be able to rely on America's protection forever. She needs to act in her own self interest.

 

[Karl Agathon]

GPS system would pretty much be the first victim. US economy collapse would be the next. I am sure you can figure out the rest.

if it ever got that far, which I highly doubt because most of Chinas navy by that point would be at the bottom of the ocean. if not, a nice big fat SSGN and/or SSBN parked off your precious Red China shores would then solve that problem in short order.

Red Chinas economy would suffer just as much, if not even more badly in any kind of war with the US. Are you delusional enough to think the US would just let Red China walk all over it without so much as a fight? That Red China lives behind some kind of magical invulnerable bubble? Somehow free of any retaliation, both economic and military!? Despite your illusions, the USN also wouldnt just cease to exist. Unless you also think Red China has a new super secret ray gun that can make it dissapear without any retalation.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Exactly, besides some wars with some barkwards countries. Wars aint gonna happen anymore on earth.

I'm gonna quote you on that because history is not and shall never be set in stone. In addition to it being in the nature of people and nations in general to prove Mr. Eisenstein right about the infinite nature of human stupidity being more realistic and plausible then a infinite universe.

 

[Dari]

Here is China's foreign ministry and highest echelon acting differently from only a couple of days ago.

link

BEIJING —
China welcomed a Japanese envoy Tuesday for talks as both sides took steps to cool tensions over an island dispute that has raised fears of an armed confrontation.

In a sign of the importance Beijing attached to the visit, state media gave prominent coverage to the arrival of Natsuo Yamaguchi, leader of the New Komeito Party, a junior partner in the ruling coalition of Prime Minister Shinzo Abe.