Are immigrants eroding our Constitution?

[Deleted member 4644]

ugh.. no one really understood where I was going with this thread. My fault for not keeping up with it better.

What I meant to say is this: I think the threat to our core values started at home with men like Bush and Cheney (and others, like Janet Reno).

However, I think a SIDE EFFECT of massive immigration is that there are fewer people who understand our system. Thus, it becomes easier for the evil forces at the top of our government to silence, confused, and divide its critics.

Case in point -- I know a lot of RUSSIAN (not Mexican) immigrants. Most of them think the war on terror is great because they come from a land where security was considered more important than liberty.

Does anyone get what I am saying?



I believe our government is out of control. They have blown the war on terror out of proportion and are using it to break/bend the law: illegal wiretaps, no-bid contracts, crony politics, etc. (Dems and Republicans, but mostly Reps).

I went to college in Los Angeles, and many of the students were Russian, Asian, Hispanic immigrants, first generation. Very few of them really "understand" what free speech is, or why we don't want unlimited government power.

Does anyone else feel that one of the side effects of huge immigration is that our core values are being weakened?

 

[Trell]

Most immigrants that I have seen that become US citizens actually have a much better understanding of what it is to be one, mostly due to the fact that they need to actually work to achieve it as opposed to being born into it.

 

[babylon5]

I think Americans are the ones that are taking things for granted. We ended up with the messy countries today because of Americans, not immigrants.
American are the ones letting politicians run wild. If immigrants come to USA thru legal channels, there is no problem. They affirm our legal process. The
ones making a mockery of our laws are the illegal immigrants cutting in line of legal immigrants.

 

[randym431]

Have to say that Hispanic immigrants stand for more of the American way than Americans, anymore. What I see as a positive in Hispanic immigrants are their strong "family" ties. Like Americans had back in the 1950's (remember???). Those that always whine about the lost "good old days", Hispanic immigrants still have these values. Then there?s religion. Most Hispanic immigrants are Catholic and hold Catholic values. Cant get more "American than that". Its just possible Hispanic immigrants can return America to those ?good old days', bringing back the family, religion and that 1950's way of life so many seem to think we have lost.

 

[shortylickens]

Well, I've been beat to the punch again.
Have to agree that the real problem is people born and raised here who dont give a crap.
Also, letting illegals in by the truckload doesnt help.
Just makes the ones who earned it go "huh?".

 

[Kadarin]

The ones from Somalia who are cab drivers who refuse to transport people who are carrying alcohol are certainly not helping the situation.

 

[Blain]

"...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
The immigrant's sons and daughters don't believe in these core values? 😕


Most Hispanic immigrants are Catholic and hold Catholic values. Cant get more "American than that".
The U.S. hasn't always been welcoming to "Catholic values".

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Kadarin
The ones from Somalia who are cab drivers who refuse to transport people who are carrying alcohol are certainly not helping the situation.

wow talk about off subject.....rofl

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Trell
Most immigrants that I have seen that become US citizens actually have a much better understanding of what it is to be one, mostly due to the fact that they need to actually work to achieve it as opposed to being born into it.

Where I live I have had second and third generation American Hispanics routinely refer to me as "Americano" because I am white. They still see themselves and Mexican, prefer to call them selves Mexican first and identify themselves as Mexican vs American.

The fact is most immigrants coming in from south of the border only adapt to America when it suits their needs, their roots are far more important to them than the America way. They do not want to adapt, they do not want to give up where they came from for where they came to. They would much rather change where they came to, too be the same as where they came from and slowly but surely are.

 

[StageLeft]

Does anyone else feel that one of the side effects of huge immigration is that our core values are being weakened?

Probably. I think I appreciate most of the constitution's inate tenets because it's really not unlike the culture in countries I've lived, so there's really no ramp up time. A fresh refugee from Somalia probably has no idea, but on the other hand some immigrants will quickly appreciate what there is here and try to take it to heart.

 

[sandorski]

"Eroding of the Constitution" is internal rot, not from Immigrants. The Majority of Americans can not even be bothered to Vote anymore much less defend what's in the Constitution.

 

[laFiera]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Trell
Most immigrants that I have seen that become US citizens actually have a much better understanding of what it is to be one, mostly due to the fact that they need to actually work to achieve it as opposed to being born into it.

Where I live I have had second and third generation American Hispanics routinely refer to me as "Americano" because I am white. They still see themselves and Mexican, prefer to call them selves Mexican first and identify themselves as Mexican vs American.

The fact is most immigrants coming in from south of the border only adapt to America when it suits their needs, their roots are far more important to them than the America way. They do not want to adapt, they do not want to give up where they came from for where they came to. They would much rather change where they came to, too be the same as where they came from and slowly but surely are.

Having lived in texas, this is so true; you meet people who were born in the usa generations ago, but they still call themselves mexicans; since I speak fluent spanish, I would speak to them in spanish, and beyond the normal, 'how are you, what's new', these people can't carry a full blown conversation in spanish, and thus I would make fun of them and tell them: "you can' t even speak spanish and you call yourself a mexican; you're a disgrace to mexico!" We laughed about it and like everybody else, these people are just wanting to have some type of identity. Having said all that, I agree with the other poster; americans have taken for granted what the constitution is; I would be surprised if the average american can recite more than 1 amendment. Everybody is too busy following paris hilton, or trying to see what's the latest football schedule; the constitution is being destroyed, and when I tell an american this, they say I'm crazy, and that this wouldn't happen in america...... too bad for them!

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Deleted member 4644
Does anyone else feel that one of the side effects of huge immigration is that our core values are being weakened?

Extremely. It's not that we couldn't teach and assimilate them before, it's that their sheer numbers are assimilating us now. We cannot teach them our way of life when by the tens of millions they own entire swaths of our country leaving a very small minority in their local town that are English speaking Americans.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Are immigrants eroding our Constitution?

No, the voters that elect the politicians responsible for passing legislation that erodes are constitution are, IMO of course.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Originally posted by: Blain
"...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
The immigrant's sons and daughters don't believe in these core values? 😕


Most Hispanic immigrants are Catholic and hold Catholic values. Cant get more "American than that".
The U.S. hasn't always been welcoming to "Catholic values".

G-d you are stupid. This is the sort of crap that makes me want to puke. Core American values are not "Catholic" or even "Christian" they are Constitutional. It's people like you who are helping destroy this Republic.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Deleted member 4644
I believe our government is out of control. They have blown the war on terror out of proportion and are using it to break/bend the law: illegal wiretaps, no-bid contracts, crony politics, etc. (Dems and Republicans, but mostly Reps).

I went to college in Los Angeles, and many of the students were Russian, Asian, Hispanic immigrants, first generation. Very few of them really "understand" what free speech is, or why we don't want unlimited government power.

Does anyone else feel that one of the side effects of huge immigration is that our core values are being weakened?

Nope.

 

[Rio Rebel]

God, I've only been reading this forum for 3 days and I'm already wanting to vomit from you neo-Nazis.

 

[nageov3t]

the constitution was 100% written by immigrants.

/shrug

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Originally posted by: Rio Rebel
God, I've only been reading this forum for 3 days and I'm already wanting to vomit from you neo-Nazis.

Neo-Nazi? I think our country would fall apart without Hispanic labor and Asian immigrants. I want reasonable levels of immigration.

I also believe EVERYTHING is a double sided sword. Take the police -- they help save lives and solve crimes, but sometimes they go wild and shoot innocent people or frame people.

Same with immigrants. They make us richer, they do dirty jobs. But they also don't always like the rules and traditions we have. I am simply trying to make the point that this is *one of* the problems with the current immigration system.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Are immigrants eroding our Constitution?

No, the voters that elect the politicians responsible for passing legislation that erodes are constitution are, IMO of course.

No, neither immigrants (whether elgal or illegal) nor politicians can erode the Constitution.

The only place that happen is at the Supreme Court. They smack down bad laws written by our crappy polititions. Ultimately, any eroding is in their hands and no one elses.

Fern

 

[MadRat]

The supremes could do a more effective job of protecting the US Constitution if they could review laws proactively and not have to wait for a good case to be presented to them.

 

[Zedtom]

Originally posted by: loki8481
the constitution was 100% written by immigrants.

This is a valid observation, however in today's context the loyalty of immigrants to the US is being questioned for those who seem to have divided loyalty to their home country.

During the revolutionary war the Tories who were loyal to the British crown were trying to cover their asses if the American cause failed. When the war ended, they didn't run back to Britain- they stayed and took advantage of their new freedoms.

Today, those immigrants from Africa and southeast Asia are hungry for freedom and they aren't going back. The immigrants from south of the border are here for opportunities, but would have no trouble going back home if things turned sour in the United States.

 

[Blain]

Originally posted by: LordSegan

Originally posted by: Blain
"...all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
The immigrant's sons and daughters don't believe in these core values? 😕


Most Hispanic immigrants are Catholic and hold Catholic values. Cant get more "American than that".
The U.S. hasn't always been welcoming to "Catholic values".

G-d you are stupid. This is the sort of crap that makes me want to puke. Core American values are not "Catholic" or even "Christian" they are Constitutional. It's people like you who are helping destroy this Republic.

Dude, you are wound way too tight. :shocked:

Your reading comprehension skills are lacking. All I said was that "The U.S. hasn't always been welcoming to "Catholic values".
That was in response to randym431 reply about Catholic values "Cant get more American than that".

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Deleted member 4644
Does anyone else feel that one of the side effects of huge immigration is that our core values are being weakened?

Extremely. It's not that we couldn't teach and assimilate them before, it's that their sheer numbers are assimilating us now. We cannot teach them our way of life when by the tens of millions they own entire swaths of our country leaving a very small minority in their local town that are English speaking Americans.

Actually as as percentage of population, immigration numbers are about where they have always been.

People said similar things about the Irish when they were coming here in droves. "They don't assimilate!" "They took 'r jebs!"

It's all the same bullsh!t. The only change is the nationality of the average immigrant.

 

[trenchfoot]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Trell
Most immigrants that I have seen that become US citizens actually have a much better understanding of what it is to be one, mostly due to the fact that they need to actually work to achieve it as opposed to being born into it.

Where I live I have had second and third generation American Hispanics routinely refer to me as "Americano" because I am white. They still see themselves and Mexican, prefer to call them selves Mexican first and identify themselves as Mexican vs American.

The fact is most immigrants coming in from south of the border only adapt to America when it suits their needs, their roots are far more important to them than the America way. They do not want to adapt, they do not want to give up where they came from for where they came to. They would much rather change where they came to, too be the same as where they came from and slowly but surely are.

seems to me that's exactly what the folks that landed at plymouth rock set out to do and accomplished in stunning fashion up to 1776 when we cobbled together our very own national identity. what goes around comes around eh?😉