Are framerates over 85 complete BS

Shalmanese

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It just seems odd to me that some people are advoxating in this forum that framerates as high as 120 minimum are what is required to play any game. Now coming from the old schoolof 17fps in software Q2, I can't even begin to comprehend 120fps but some things have been niggling at the back of my mind.
First, when you go into your display properties in windows, there is an option to set the refresh rate of your monitor, AFAIK, you cannot go above 85Hz, therefore, a framerate of above 85 cannot be physically displayed by the monitor.

Unless there is some specific game tweaks which allow you to dynamically refresh your monitor,(assume 80Hz for calculation simplicity) your monitor will refresh ever 1/80th of a second. Using the terminology Redraw meaning a new frame and Refresh as the same frame but put up again on the monitor, when you play at 80 fps, your monitor goes "redraw, redraw, redraw...". Playing at 40fps, the monitor would go "redraw, refresh, redraw, refresh, redraw, refresh...". But playing at some other framerate, 53.7 for example would lead the monitor having very erratic sequences of refreshes and redraws, Does this affect the percieved "smoothness" of the game in any way? (a test of this would be to cap your game at 40 and later cap it at something like 42.3 and see if you can see any differece)

As i do not have any of the technology that would let me get close to even 30fps I will have to let other people test these theories :(

BTW: I have changed my sig as some people <ahem> have been complaining
 

RobsTV

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High framerates are a huge plus when you have the ability to enable things that give a huge framerate hit. FSAA at acceptable framerates with a GTS card is only possible because the card gets high FPS to begin with.
 

SmokeDogg

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Anyone that tells you that you need 120fps to plap is full of crap, the human eye can only comprehend aroung 90-100fsp.
 

Spoooon

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You got to take into account minimum framerates. People getting 120-150fps are talking about their average framerate. I could average 80fps, which would seem pretty smooth, but my minimum framerate might be 30, which would be very detectable. If I were averaging 120, my minimum might be around 50-60, which would not be as detectable.
 

BreakApart

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The bonus to having such high framerates is that you are less likey to drop below 30fps when the REAL action occurs.

The 120 does not really help the game, but it allows the machine to handle the REAL fps-killer fights at acceptable fps levels...


Example:
Your machine runs at 70fps-normal
I run at 120fps-normal

The action happens smoke/grenades/fire/explosions/etc/etc/etc...
You drop to 18fps--> you do your best to aim, i run away in slow motion...
I drop to 38fps---> I aim at you, you die...




 

Deeko

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Turn off VSync and you can have framerates higher than the monitor's refresh rate. I personally play with it on, because I prefer quality over speed, so there's no reason for me to turn it off.
 

Spoooon

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=========================================================
Stats for level4Playback13.sav:

Benchmark Mode: Normal
Average FPS: 79.6

Min FPS: 20 <--------------
Max FPS: 146 <--------------
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System Info:
Evolva: v1.2, Build 944 (04-07-2000 15:18)
CPU: AMD-K7(tm) Processor 750MHz, 128MB RAM, Cache=128K/512K
Display: RADEON DDR (driver v4.13.01.2113)
OS: Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998
DX: DX8 (4.08.00.0400)
D3D Device: 1024x768x32, Direct3D T&amp;L HAL
Caps: T&amp;L,DOT3,EMBM,3DNow(ext),MMX(ext)
Dot Bump: No
=========================================================
 

BFG10K

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They are not BS and don't believe anybody who tells you &quot;you only need x FPS, anything higher is wasteful&quot;. The higher the framerates the better. And remember that maximum framerates mean nothing. It's the minimum framerates that are important.
 

Rellik

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And you CAN have a higher refresh rate then 85. For this you need 2 things: A monitor and a graphics card that support it. graphic cards can do this for about 2 years now(at 1024 res) and monitors with a KHz
over 74 can do it too.