Are Democrats 2nd class citizens now?

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Second class? Welcome to the US since elections started. We're a winner take all nation. You win you get to manipulate committes. You have the tie breaking vote in the Senate. You pick the bureaucrats and set the policies.

You lose you lose. When the Dems had power the Republicans could say the same. If you don't belong to the Republican or Democrat party you never have a voice.

Welcome to my world.

Hmm well in some ways (e.g. gerrymandering), this may be no different or even better. On the local and state level things also seem to be more corrupt.

But certainly partisanship and obstructionism is far far worse in our federal government as time is passing.

See: http://www.realclearscience.com/jou...isanship_in_three_stunning_charts_109196.html

I think we ought to, as voters, start being much more attentive to the character and integrity of our choices and not their policies or party. We are sure doing our part to reward people who have no interest in sharing.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Hmm well in some ways (e.g. gerrymandering), this may be no different or even better. On the local and state level things also seem to be more corrupt.

But certainly partisanship and obstructionism is far far worse in our federal government as time is passing.

See: http://www.realclearscience.com/jou...isanship_in_three_stunning_charts_109196.html

I think we ought to, as voters, start being much more attentive to the character and integrity of our choices and not their policies or party. We are sure doing our part to reward people who have no interest in sharing.

It would seem there is a problem with cognition here.

"Democrats are good"
"Ted is a Democrat"
"Ted is good".

Obviously one could replace Republican in the above. The effect is a preselection bias of favorability towards a candidate independent of capability and it seems to me (although I don't know how to test my impressions) that as the ideological divide widens being "more Party X" confers character and integrity when it most assuredly does not and character must be disentangled from ideology.
 
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Moonbeam

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I think we ought to, as voters, start being much more attentive to the character and integrity of our choices and not their policies or party. We are sure doing our part to reward people who have no interest in sharing.

My conservative brain tells me you're barking up the wrong tree. People who have no interest in sharing are exactly those my conservative brain loves. You see, sharing always means taking my hard earned money and giving it to worthless bums. Sharing is the preoccupation of people who can't stand on their own two feet. I'm the one who is deserving and nobody fucking ever helped me.
 
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ivwshane

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Can't wait for the Dems to take over and apply this same dick move on the Repubs *just* to see how the Repubs react to it.

Should be fun to watch that.

In fact the Dems should choose a carbon copy of Trump (only liberal) next general election cycle and then we all can REALLY have a kick ass time watching the Repubs go insane over it.

Oh and let's not forget the 51 vote rule coming back around to haunt them. lol

We'd finally get some truth to the "both sides" bullshit argument independents like to throw around.
 

Azuma Hazuki

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You misspelled "Heil," Piasa. I know, it's hard to type when your elbows are permanently hyperextended, but at least try.