Are conseratives racist? Maybe...

[Proletariat]

The simple fact is the Western Hemisphere was/is a hell for non-whites. There can never be a dialogue amongst races unless we realize this.

We have de-humanized stomped them, crushed them, raped them, ripped them limb from limb and injected them with disease.

This is why you see such opposition to whites even though our society is relatively rich. If a minority was to really look into their past here there is nothing here for them.

Blacks for the most part were shipped here in their own piss. Hispanics are mainly mutt-children whose real culture has been completely wiped out, they even discriminate against the natives in their own countries... Native Americans... well we all know whats happened to them. Asians - their women are taken for their submissive nature and their men are portrayed as small-penis invalids.

This is why the hip-hop/gangsta culture appeals so much to minorities. It has no goal or no purpose except self-mutilation and nihilism. I think 2pac summed it up best in Only God Can Judge Me:

I hear the doctor standing over me [heart monitor: beeping slowly]
screamin I can make it
Got a body full of bullet holes layin here naked
Still I, can't breathe, somethings evil in my IV
Cause everytime I breathe, I think they killin me [beeping sound stops]
I'm having nightmares, homicidal fantansies
I wake up stranglin, danglin my bed sheets
I call the nurse cause it hurts, to reminisce
How did it come to this? I wish they didn't miss
Somebody help me, tell me where to go from here
Cause even Thugs cry, but do the Lord care?
Try to remember, but it hurts
I'm walkin through the cemetary talkin to the, dirt
I'd rather die like a man, than live like a coward
There's a ghetto up in Heaven and it's ours, Black Power
is what we scream as we dream in a paranoid state
And our fate, is a lifetime of hate
Dear Mama, can you save me? And f*** peace
Cause the streets got our babies, we gotta eat
No more hesitation each and every black male's trapped
And they wonder why we suicidal runnin round strapped
Mista, Po-lice, please try to see that it's
a million motherfuckers stressin just like me

The thing I worry about is if America ever starts becoming a second world country... there will be a lot of violence. It will be a bloodbath.

 

[tec699]

The religion of hispanics is Catholic. Christanity and Catholism are in a way two different things.

Ha!

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: tec699
Stop holding onto your white ways gleen1. Your only "white club" of Republicans will be coming to an abrupt end in the near future. Do you know Spanish? You had better start because in NJ Spanish is becoming the preferred choice of language and will soon rival English in the coming years. My father delivers the voting machines for the state of NJ and everything is written in both Spanish and English. I doubt you would find the same in Iowa or Wisconsin.

The times are changing and there is nothign you can do to stop it. How many Mexicans or Chinese do you have living in your community Gleen1? I doubt any and if they do stroll thru your "White only" community I bet the cops are pulling those poor people over without probable cause. Come to NJ so you can geta taste of what it really means to live with people from other cultures. In Nj we have blacks, latinos, mexicans, Indians, Chinese, Japanese, etc... I doubt you could say the same for your state.

Finally, I really belive most "common" people that live in the red states are jealous of the blue states. My father who has only an 8th grade education makes more than what you could only hope to make. You can't afford to buy our $500,000 homes. Christ if I was to buy a $500,000 home in Wisconsin I'd have a mansion. In NJ $500,000 homes are common because the money we make is just great.

Wow, you've just demostrated how big of a idiot and a racist you are. Calling other people racist yet you're constantly bashing the white race. Great job there.

Holding on to white ways? :roll:

Should the Chinese hold on to Chinese ways? Should the blacks hold on to black ways? Should the Indians hold on to Indian ways? Should the hispanics hold on to hispanic ways? Or only whites need apply to the standard?

Your title is not only wrong, but proves how big of a close minded hateful person you are. Are the immigrants that you seem to drool over so much not conservative? Do they not have conservative values as well? I was under the impression that Indians, Chinese, Vietnamese and other immigrants tend to be very conservative and religious. Do you even realize that whites are the majority in this country and most parts tend to be white? Or are you really implieing that we should ship the whites out and import hundreds of millions of *others* to fill in the gap? Tell us how you really feel, Mr. Diversity.

Haha, people in red states are jealous of blue staters. Seriously, thats a comment a 11 year old would make. Grow up.

You forgot to mention that compared to Wisconsin, NJ is way behind in living standard, education and poverty. Also being close to New York City helps since a lot of business comes from there. I've been to New Jersey, I've seen the streets, I've smelled the air, and it wasn't pleasant. Thank you for the offer, but I'd rather stay in my beautiful state (I don't live in Wisconsin or anywhere close to it).

Also you have proved that you're a ignorant person with no grasp of reality. It's latinos or hispanic, NOT SPANISH. Actually, I want the democrats to win and the balance of power to be restored, but to think that the upcoming wave after wave of immigrants will automatically vote democratic is poltical suicide.

What religion are the hispanics? Oh, thats right, Christian - the religion you seem to associate with white America. Well guess what? Hundreds of millions of Christians live in Africa, South America, Central America and Asia. I'm sure they are white as well.

Many experts believe that hispanics will start voting Republican increasingly due to the immigration policies of Republicans AND that hispanics are very conservative in social values, so they will identify with Republicans. Now that the Republicans are reaching out to the hispanic communities, they will bring a significant portion of the vote to the Republican party. And it was the Cuban vote that elected Bush to the office (although Gore got more votes overall). To say that democrats will automatically seize the minority vote is not only wrong, but also extremely inappropriate since you're saying the minorities can't actually think for themselves and make a choice.

Before you call someone else these names, look in the mirror.

Your from the south. Are you still mad and jealous that we Northern folks KICKED your ass in the civil war?

I think so.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: tec699
The religion of hispanics is Catholic. Christanity and Catholism are in a way two different things.

Ha!

Catholocism is a different sect of Christianty, ignoramus, just like the Baptist church or the Evangelical church or the Lutheran church or the Mormon church.

Your from the south. Are you still mad and jealous that we Northern folks KICKED your ass in the civil war?

I think so.

Grow up.

I am glad the south lost and slavery was defeated. And they, and certainly not a douche like you didn't kick my ass, or did they? :disgust:

Why bring up slavery? Are you going to comment on the slavery by Spain, Portugal, Britain, the Netherlands and other European powers?

Everyone realizes that slavery was a dark period in this country's history, but thanks to great men like Abraham Lincoln, a conservative Republican by the way, slavery and the Southern mentality was defeated. I am ashamed when Southerners fly the Confederate Flag and think its really inappropriate. Don't tell me about diversity or multiculturalism, because you don't know me. stfu and keep your assumptions to yourself.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: totalcommand The Anti-civil rights platforms... father Bush.

please point out exactly where bush '41 was anti-civil rights

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: ElFenix
also, it could be argued that democrats are racist because the laws they pass have a negative effect on black people. welfare destroyed black families by paying young black women to have babies. this created a large voting block of people who have almost no way out and believe they are beholden to democrats for what little they do have, when in reality it was the democrats policies that screwed them to begin with.

One could argue that your argument is in itself racism.

care to elaborate?

i think i've been drive-by trolled

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: tec699
The religion of hispanics is Catholic. Christanity and Catholism are in a way two different things.

Ha!

Catholocism is a different sect of Christianty, ignoramus, just like the Baptist church or the Evangelical church or the Lutheran church or the Mormon church.

Your from the south. Are you still mad and jealous that we Northern folks KICKED your ass in the civil war?

I think so.

No, grow up.

I am glad the south lost and slavery was defeated. And they didn't kick my ass, idiot, or did they? :disgust:

Why bring up slavery? Are you going to comment on the slavery by Spain, Portugal, Britain, the Netherlands and other European powers?

Everyone realizes that slavery was a dark period in this country's history, but thanks to great men like Abraham Lincoln, a conservative Republican by the way, slavery and the Southern mentality was defeated. I am ashamed when Southerners fly the Confederate Flag and think its really inappropriate. Don't tell me about diversity or multiculturalism, because you don't know me. stfu and keep your assumptions to yourself.

saying Abraham Lincoln was 'conservative' is pretty stupid.

 

[raildogg]

saying Abraham Lincoln was 'conservative' is pretty stupid.

By today's standard he would be a conservative or even a right winger, back then he was perceived as a moderate. You do realize that conservatives can be opposed to slavery?

He went after the issue of slavery as MORAL and SOCIAL issue. He believed in the concept of right and wrong, good and evil. He brought new ideas that previously were considered unthinkable. He also took the civil liberties of many Americans. He also had a firm belief in god.

Here is a great Lincoln quote:

"Let us have faith that right makes might, and in that faith, let us, to the end, dare to do our duty as we understand it."

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Glenn you're a racist plain and simple.

I'd rather be a racist than a gullible idiot like you.

Racists ARE idiots, so you're both.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: ElFenix
also, it could be argued that democrats are racist because the laws they pass have a negative effect on black people. welfare destroyed black families by paying young black women to have babies. this created a large voting block of people who have almost no way out and believe they are beholden to democrats for what little they do have, when in reality it was the democrats policies that screwed them to begin with.

One could argue that your argument is in itself racism.

care to elaborate?

i think i've been drive-by trolled

You made reference to the fact that you think that black families are nothing but welfare addicts. Now if you think that, that's a racist statement. If you said that to make a point, please put a disclaimer on it.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson

BTW, I have a co-worker who is a democrat and a racist.. does that make all democrats racists too? Nice logic.

I'm surprisingly enough going to have to agree with Crimson on this. I don't think there's a direct link between conservative values and racism. If you're arguing there is, it wasn't presented very well.

There are a-hole people all across the spectrum.

I totally disagree. Unfortunately there is a link. Most of your quote "conservative" states also have a long history of racial discrimination, even today. I think its a bad idea to jump the gun and believe a person is racist because they are republican or conservative, but it is also absolutely crazy to deny the fact there are a siginificant number more of racists in the republican party than the democratic party.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: ElFenix
also, it could be argued that democrats are racist because the laws they pass have a negative effect on black people. welfare destroyed black families by paying young black women to have babies. this created a large voting block of people who have almost no way out and believe they are beholden to democrats for what little they do have, when in reality it was the democrats policies that screwed them to begin with.

One could argue that your argument is in itself racism.

care to elaborate?

i think i've been drive-by trolled

You made reference to the fact that you think that black families are nothing but welfare addicts. Now if you think that, that's a racist statement. If you said that to make a point, please put a disclaimer on it.

where did i say they are nothing but welfare addicts?

 

[Jhhnn]

Of course they're racist, but not consciously so. It's something they'd rather not examine in their own psyches, so they enter Denial.

Which makes them particularly vulnerable to the manipulations of well designed propaganda. Willie Horton is the perfect example. That whole thing wouldn't have done much to the election had he been white, but his blackness hit the Dukakis campaign like a sledgehammer on a fly...

Denial is something that feeds on itself, that grows stronger unless shattered completely. Repub strategists know this very well, and depend on it, nurture it in the electorate, keep it stirred up and unquestioned with a constant game of uproar.

"Law and Order" "Welfare Queens" "Morals and Values" "States Rights" and a host of others all contain a racist component, which of course, those mouthing and those accepting these crass simplifications would deny as racist with their dying breath, each for different reasons, however... Some are merely in denial, others feed on it...

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Of course they're racist, but not consciously so. It's something they'd rather not examine in their own psyches, so they enter Denial.

Which makes them particularly vulnerable to the manipulations of well designed propaganda. Willie Horton is the perfect example. That whole thing wouldn't have done much to the election had he been white, but his blackness hit the Dukakis campaign like a sledgehammer on a fly...

Denial is something that feeds on itself, that grows stronger unless shattered completely. Repub strategists know this very well, and depend on it, nurture it in the electorate, keep it stirred up and unquestioned with a constant game of uproar.

"Law and Order" "Welfare Queens" "Morals and Values" "States Rights" and a host of others all contain a racist component, which of course, those mouthing and those accepting these crass simplifications would deny as racist with their dying breath, each for different reasons, however... Some are merely in denial, others feed on it...

Give me a break please. I'm not racist...and here you are calling me a racist because I'm a conservative. You've never met me, and you don't know me at all. You're a bigot.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: ElFenix
also, it could be argued that democrats are racist because the laws they pass have a negative effect on black people. welfare destroyed black families by paying young black women to have babies. this created a large voting block of people who have almost no way out and believe they are beholden to democrats for what little they do have, when in reality it was the democrats policies that screwed them to begin with.

One could argue that your argument is in itself racism.

care to elaborate?

i think i've been drive-by trolled

You made reference to the fact that you think that black families are nothing but welfare addicts. Now if you think that, that's a racist statement. If you said that to make a point, please put a disclaimer on it.

where did i say they are nothing but welfare addicts?

I don't know for sure if you did or not, but your statement could be interpreted as such. That's all I was saying.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

I don't know for sure if you did or not, but your statement could be interpreted as such. That's all I was saying.

well, it wasn't my intention, i assure you. but, you would agree that welfare falls onto young black women in disproportion to their representation in society, yes?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

I don't know for sure if you did or not, but your statement could be interpreted as such. That's all I was saying.

well, it wasn't my intention, i assure you. but, you would agree that welfare falls onto young black women in disproportion to their representation in society, yes?

Hard to say. In my area, according to a friend's wife who works for DFS, only about 1/6 of the welfare recipients are black. I think that goes right along the line with the population ratios. So who knows.

 

[Jhhnn]

The one thing I forgot to mention about denial is that those in such a state will quickly lash out at anybody who attempts to bring it to their attention... few are totally free of any subconscious racial bias. To recognize that, and to deal with it on a conscious level is the only way to overcome it. Reacting favorable and predictably to propaganda crafted in such a way as to work on that aspect of human emotion indicates that the subject has not engaged in much if any constructive introspection, and is not ready to do so. That's not to say that they're intentionally and knowingly bigoted, at all, but that's why the propaganda works as well as it does. Such a person is manipulable in ways they can't even recognize.

If that seems a little to deep or moonbeam-ish, you'll have to look into your own heart to find the answer... or not, just attack the messenger instead.

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: totalcommand The Anti-civil rights platforms... father Bush.

please point out exactly where bush '41 was anti-civil rights

It's a pretty well known fact.

From the Wiki:

In 1964, Bush ventured into conventional politics by running against Democratic Senator Ralph Yarborough, making an issue of Yarborough's vote for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which almost all Southern politicians (including the Republican Sen. John Tower of Texas) opposed. He called Yarborough an "extremist" and a "left wing demagogue" while Yarborough said Bush was a "carpetbagger" trying to buy a Senate seat "just as they would buy a seat on the New York Stock Exchange". Bush lost in the 1964 Democratic landslide.

 

[d3n]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

I don't know for sure if you did or not, but your statement could be interpreted as such. That's all I was saying.

well, it wasn't my intention, i assure you. but, you would agree that welfare falls onto young black women in disproportion to their representation in society, yes?

Hard to say. In my area, according to a friend's wife who works for DFS, only about 1/6 of the welfare recipients are black. I think that goes right along the line with the population ratios. So who knows.

National average for African Americans population in the average U.S city is 14% according to the 2000 cencus. It depends on your area and population influx during the last 5 years.

 

[Todd33]

I know one real Republican, the old Reagen type. Free trade, small government, etc.

The rest are born again, racist, ignorant, etc.

The new breed is taking over and it will kill the party slowly.

 

[Infohawk]

I agree with OP.

I think racism is the biggest factor in American elections as I've said in other posts. I think a lot of social problems would be very popular if people thought it were going to people like them.

Please don't refer to hispanic voters as Spanish though. It makes you sound less informed. Spanish people live in Spain. Say latino / hispanic. Most Hispanics in the Americas (but not all) have indigenous blood in them. Spaniards don't.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Please don't refer to hispanic voters as Spanish though. It makes you sound less informed. Spanish people live in Spain. Say latino / hispanic. Most Hispanics in the Americas (but not all) have indigenous blood in them. Spaniards don't.

if you want to be ass-clenchingly correct, 'latinos' technically refers people who speak a latin based language. that could be spanish, portugese, italian, french, or romanian. the census bureau invented the word 'hispanic' to describe the differences in demographics between immigrants from south american from other latin countries.

 

[Infohawk]

n the United States, Latino refers to non-Anglo-American citizens who are living in the United States of America and are of Latin American background, also referred to as Hispanic.

 

[jbaggins]

Contemporary "Democrats" are by and large conservatives themselves, so finding racist Democrats really isn't that surprising.I also do not think that racism can be isolated to a person's political affiliation, this being said, yes I do believe that republicans TEND to be more conservative and this, by nature TENDS to have more people that are racist.

With regards to having no clear majority, I think there will be a Latin majority in this country one day.

And with regards to a switch to more democrat voters because more minorities-- i don't think this is necessarily true. I think it depends on the issues and political positions of that time. Politicians are out to get a vote, plain and simple, both democrats and republicans. Whoever is able to cater to the needs of the minorities in future will win the vote. As the minorities increase, you can expect to see a growing trend of Republicans reaching out to them, and catering to their needs and desires. If they do not, their future will be bleak.