Are conseratives racist? Maybe...

[tec699]

I remember voting during the presidential election this past November. I went to the voting booths and had met a fellow high school friend who was working the main entrance. We got to talking and he told me that he's voting all Republican (local and federal) because he as he most bluntly stated "I want to keep the n*ggers from coming into our neighborhood!"

Of course, this is only one man, but it got me thinking a bit. The majority of people that tend to vote Republican are white; they have conservative values and are middle class. Now Bush was able to carry more of the Spanish vote, especially in Florida this past election but that was only because a) his brother is governor of Florida and is married to a Mexican woman and b) Bush was once governor of Texas and this state has a large number of residents who are from Mexico. Those two factors contributed to why Bush was able to get a large percentage of the Spanish vote, but Kerry was still able to get a large percentage as well.

In my opinion, I believe as the white population starts to dramatically recede in the next 50 years and other ethnic groups start to filter out into the Red States we could see a HUGE swing that would only favor the Democrats. The main question is will the minorities vote in large numbers to where they can make a difference. I believe so and when we start to see more minorities in Congress I think, you'll see more minorities vote.

America is rapidly changing from a white majority only nation to one that will have no majority. This scares Red America. This scares Middle America but their is NOTHING you can really do about it. Accept the change or else you will be left behind.

 

[Vertimus]

word. Nationalistic ideals = bad.

 

[Crimson]

Or maybe minorities will begin to see that the democrats haven't done a damn thing for them in 50 years, and move to the Republican side?

BTW, I have a co-worker who is a democrat and a racist.. does that make all democrats racists too? Nice logic.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Crimson

BTW, I have a co-worker who is a democrat and a racist.. does that make all democrats racists too? Nice logic.

I'm surprisingly enough going to have to agree with Crimson on this. I don't think there's a direct link between conservative values and racism. If you're arguing there is, it wasn't presented very well.

There are a-hole people all across the spectrum.

 

[Steeplerot]

It's fear that keeps people holding on to old ways.
It is good for some situations but like anything else in life excesses lead to heartache.
The actual conserative theory is fine except when you add corruption and nationalism is when it can get VERY dangerous.
They have their place to keep the country from moving TOO fast, but you can't let things stagnate or you get the mess we have been sinking into since raygun.

I do not think there is a direct link to racism and the average conservative joe stuck in the middle of america with only tv for experience with new cultures and people etc.
BUT it sure helps to subscribe to the anti-immigrant anti-gay racist line to fit into some of the more conservative areas and justifications for the actions of their leaders.

Racism is directly linked to cultural isolation.


Stick a "innocent" racist from the middle of the south in a city with lots of diffrent people and watch the old attitudes fall away like scales of ignorance falling from their eyes.
(of course how you were raised comes into play also)

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Crimson

BTW, I have a co-worker who is a democrat and a racist.. does that make all democrats racists too? Nice logic.

I'm surprisingly enough going to have to agree with Crimson on this. I don't think there's a direct link between conservative values and racism. If you're arguing there is, it wasn't presented very well.

There are a-hole people all across the spectrum.

I think I shocked Crimson into silence... :laugh:

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: tec699
I remember voting during the presidential election this past November. I went to the voting booths and had met a fellow high school friend who was working the main entrance. We got to talking and he told me that he's voting all Republican (local and federal) because he as he most bluntly stated "I want to keep the n*ggers from coming into our neighborhood!"

Of course, this is only one man, but it got me thinking a bit. The majority of people that tend to vote Republican are white; they have conservative values and are middle class. Now Bush was able to carry more of the Spanish vote, especially in Florida this past election but that was only because a) his brother is governor of Florida and is married to a Mexican woman and b) Bush was once governor of Texas and this state has a large number of residents who are from Mexico. Those two factors contributed to why Bush was able to get a large percentage of the Spanish vote, but Kerry was still able to get a large percentage as well.

In my opinion, I believe as the white population starts to dramatically recede in the next 50 years and other ethnic groups start to filter out into the Red States we could see a HUGE swing that would only favor the Democrats. The main question is will the minorities vote in large numbers to where they can make a difference. I believe so and when we start to see more minorities in Congress I think, you'll see more minorities vote.

America is rapidly changing from a white majority only nation to one that will have no majority. This scares Red America. This scares Middle America but their is NOTHING you can really do about it. Accept the change or else you will be left behind.

I think you are 100% wrong. What has been happening the last ~15-20 years in the United States? Minorities are getting more infuence, power, and numbers. What else has happened? Republicans are also grown in power and numbers in the house and senate. So your little theory has no fact behind it, it's pure conjecture that is wrong.

 

[Promethply]

Conservatives tend to be satisfied with how things are working in their life, and hence want to keep their status quo

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Racism is directly linked to cultural isolation.

I think that should be changed to "racial/social isolation". I think cultural isolation leads more to stuff like this.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: tec699
I remember voting during the presidential election this past November. I went to the voting booths and had met a fellow high school friend who was working the main entrance. We got to talking and he told me that he's voting all Republican (local and federal) because he as he most bluntly stated "I want to keep the n*ggers from coming into our neighborhood!"

Of course, this is only one man, but it got me thinking a bit. The majority of people that tend to vote Republican are white; they have conservative values and are middle class. Now Bush was able to carry more of the Spanish vote, especially in Florida this past election but that was only because a) his brother is governor of Florida and is married to a Mexican woman and b) Bush was once governor of Texas and this state has a large number of residents who are from Mexico. Those two factors contributed to why Bush was able to get a large percentage of the Spanish vote, but Kerry was still able to get a large percentage as well.

In my opinion, I believe as the white population starts to dramatically recede in the next 50 years and other ethnic groups start to filter out into the Red States we could see a HUGE swing that would only favor the Democrats. The main question is will the minorities vote in large numbers to where they can make a difference. I believe so and when we start to see more minorities in Congress I think, you'll see more minorities vote.

America is rapidly changing from a white majority only nation to one that will have no majority. This scares Red America. This scares Middle America but their is NOTHING you can really do about it. Accept the change or else you will be left behind.

I think you are 100% wrong. What has been happening the last ~15-20 years in the United States? Minorities are getting more infuence, power, and numbers. What else has happened? Republicans are also grown in power and numbers in the house and senate. So your little theory has no fact behind it, it's pure conjecture that is wrong.

Not quite we may have more diversity as far as a black people on tv (or the farce that is supposed to represent real blacks on corporate owned tv) but the actual culture of america all our information and media is presented by far fewer groups (more like about 4 companies)
In other words like the poster above me said they are holding on to their status quo as long as they can until the elite ruling class are outbred into a mulatto oblivion of racelessness. (or some wacko pushes the button)

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: kogase

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Racism is directly linked to cultural isolation.

I think that should be changed to "racial/social isolation". I think cultural isolation leads more to stuff like this.

you get what I mean though.

maybe so, blink182 makes me vomit, I would sure like to see Sid come out of the grave and kick their whiney asses. emo punks really piss me off.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: tec699
I remember voting during the presidential election this past November. I went to the voting booths and had met a fellow high school friend who was working the main entrance. We got to talking and he told me that he's voting all Republican (local and federal) because he as he most bluntly stated "I want to keep the n*ggers from coming into our neighborhood!"

Of course, this is only one man, but it got me thinking a bit. The majority of people that tend to vote Republican are white; they have conservative values and are middle class. Now Bush was able to carry more of the Spanish vote, especially in Florida this past election but that was only because a) his brother is governor of Florida and is married to a Mexican woman and b) Bush was once governor of Texas and this state has a large number of residents who are from Mexico. Those two factors contributed to why Bush was able to get a large percentage of the Spanish vote, but Kerry was still able to get a large percentage as well.

In my opinion, I believe as the white population starts to dramatically recede in the next 50 years and other ethnic groups start to filter out into the Red States we could see a HUGE swing that would only favor the Democrats. The main question is will the minorities vote in large numbers to where they can make a difference. I believe so and when we start to see more minorities in Congress I think, you'll see more minorities vote.

America is rapidly changing from a white majority only nation to one that will have no majority. This scares Red America. This scares Middle America but their is NOTHING you can really do about it. Accept the change or else you will be left behind.

I think you are 100% wrong. What has been happening the last ~15-20 years in the United States? Minorities are getting more infuence, power, and numbers. What else has happened? Republicans are also grown in power and numbers in the house and senate. So your little theory has no fact behind it, it's pure conjecture that is wrong.

What grounds do you have to say that it's conjecture? Do you have any idea what knowledge and experience this guy has?

At any rate, you have employed specious reasoning. Although the Republicans are gaining more influence and power, and the minority population is rising, voter turnout among minorities (and among Hispanics in particular) has been traditionally low. Not only that, but when they do vote the more prominent minorites (blacks, Hispanics and Asians) tend to vote Democratic.

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: tec699
I remember voting during the presidential election this past November. I went to the voting booths and had met a fellow high school friend who was working the main entrance. We got to talking and he told me that he's voting all Republican (local and federal) because he as he most bluntly stated "I want to keep the n*ggers from coming into our neighborhood!"

Of course, this is only one man, but it got me thinking a bit. The majority of people that tend to vote Republican are white; they have conservative values and are middle class. Now Bush was able to carry more of the Spanish vote, especially in Florida this past election but that was only because a) his brother is governor of Florida and is married to a Mexican woman and b) Bush was once governor of Texas and this state has a large number of residents who are from Mexico. Those two factors contributed to why Bush was able to get a large percentage of the Spanish vote, but Kerry was still able to get a large percentage as well.

In my opinion, I believe as the white population starts to dramatically recede in the next 50 years and other ethnic groups start to filter out into the Red States we could see a HUGE swing that would only favor the Democrats. The main question is will the minorities vote in large numbers to where they can make a difference. I believe so and when we start to see more minorities in Congress I think, you'll see more minorities vote.

America is rapidly changing from a white majority only nation to one that will have no majority. This scares Red America. This scares Middle America but their is NOTHING you can really do about it. Accept the change or else you will be left behind.

I think you are 100% wrong. What has been happening the last ~15-20 years in the United States? Minorities are getting more infuence, power, and numbers. What else has happened? Republicans are also grown in power and numbers in the house and senate. So your little theory has no fact behind it, it's pure conjecture that is wrong.

Minorities are gaining a more prominent foothold - the majority (white ppl) see this, and thus vote republican out of fear. Wait awhile - democrats will crush the Repugnantcans.

So maybe your little theory is wrong!

 

[tec699]

Minorities are getting more infuence, power, and numbers

That's is so incorrect. The Spanish are now the largest ethnic group in America but yet do they have any real power? NOPE! How many seats in Congress do they hold? Not many. So keep on holding onto your little fantasy that everyone is equal because it's just not true.

I had a discussion with a black individual and we both came to the same conclusion: As long as the issues of today don't affect white America then it's not a concern of the US government. Minorities are still underserved in this country and it just amazes me that Caucasians think differently. Racism still exist today but it's not as blatant as it once was in the past. You look on the news and what do you see... Black males robbed a guy at gun point, Black people do this and do that, etc...

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: kogase
Not only that, but when they do vote the more prominent minorites (blacks, Hispanics and Asians) tend to vote Democratic.

tend? sh1t they talk about bush getting offed and f-bush etc like it's nothing.
Minoritys hate the conservative whites on the most part from what I see every day, sh1t you think the lefties in here hate bush?
"Republicans, just waiting to find a excuse to get out the whip out again." (A black friend told me this today lol)

Right wingers seem like they are scared the blacks or mexicans or arabs will move into their safe gated communitys or something. :laugh:
Oh well, evolve or be left behind.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: kogase
Not only that, but when they do vote the more prominent minorites (blacks, Hispanics and Asians) tend to vote Democratic.

tend? sh1t they talk about bush getting offed and f-bush etc like it's nothing.
Minoritys hate the conservative whites on the most part from what I see every day, sh1t you think the lefties in here hate bush?
"Republicans, just waiting to find a excuse to get out the whip out again." (A black friend told me this today lol)

Right wingers seem like they are scared the blacks or mexicans or arabs will move into their safe gated communitys or something. :laugh:
Oh well, evolve or be left behind.

There are actually significant segments of the Hispanic and black voting communities that vote Republican. In fact, that was something of a hot topic in the last election, with pundits harping on (and rightfully so) about how Democrats shouldn't take the Hispanic vote for granted. Now, that isn't to say that these minorites still don't support the Democratic party in general, but there are Republicans among them.

 

[Czar]

the republican party will change and try to apeal to immigrants, there wont be much change in the final outcome around 50/50 like always

 

[Red Dawn]

Are conseratives racist? Maybe...

Then again maybe not. We aren't talking about South Africa and Aparthied here.

 

[glenn1]

So what values do the Democratic Party bring to the table which would be so attractive to minorities? You seem to think that their votes are a lock for the party you support and I'd say you'd be remarkably and incredibly wrong, not to mention staggeringly naive. The current voting trend gap now among African-Americans in bias of the Democratic Party is a historical anomoly driven by Johnson's championing of, and perceived Republican resistance to, the Civil Rights Act. This trend will fade away with the memories of those who were there to see it take place. Longer-term the Democratic Party has been the party of southern secession and lynchings. I think if anything, the more likely scenario is that voting trends will tend to revert to historical means/medians where the voting is much more evenly distributed across all races.

You can think (and even believe) that one party has more attraction to and better programs for the minority voter, but I believe that's just so much self-flattery. While I disagree with 90% of what they do, the Republican Party is definitely the one with more intellectual vigor right now, and ultimately that's what's going to win elections. Democrats need to sit down and think of some new ideas, something with a pedigree that's not 40 or 70 years old. Stagnant values and intellectual inertia isn't going to be a winning platform for the Democrats anytime soon.

 

[Jhhnn]

How utterly facetious, glenn1. The Jim Crow faction of the Democrats followed Strom Thrurmond over to the other side, to what hasn't been the party of Lincoln for over 100 years. That party ceased to exist in any form that Lincoln would have recognized at the end of Reconstruction.

"Intellectual vigor"? WTF does that really mean, anyway? That they crafted a coalition based on Emotional agitprop and fear, brought to life behind the closed doors of the Heritage Foundation, the Moral Majority and their siblings? "Stagnant values and intellectual inertia"? Somewhere in there, you've expressed the most blatant oxymoron of our age- that so-called Conservatives actually have "new" ideas, that they actually want them. Might want to check a dictionary for the meaning of "conservative", see how that fits with what you just professed...

 

[totalcommand]

Originally posted by: glenn1perceived Republican resistance to, the Civil Rights Act

?

The resistance was quite real.

Stagnant values

Republican values are stagnant, Democrats values are progressive. Republicans shy away from change in social legislation like homosexuality.

Conservatives are not racist in the derogatory sense of the word. But they are isolationist, for sure. Rather than go out and embrace minorities and their causes, they push them away to protect White America. You can see this in the No Child Left Behind Act (maybe it should be changed to White Child? Schools that underform, mostly where minorities live, have federal money taken away), their views on affirmative action, and their cuts in medicare and welfare.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: tec699
In my opinion, I believe as the white population starts to dramatically recede in the next 50 years and other ethnic groups start to filter out into the Red States we could see a HUGE swing that would only favor the Democrats.

there is one of the many flaws in your logic... it's the 'red states' that are multiethnic in comparison to the lily-white 'blue states'

 

[ElFenix]

also, it could be argued that democrats are racist because the laws they pass have a negative effect on black people. welfare destroyed black families by paying young black women to have babies. this created a large voting block of people who have almost no way out and believe they are beholden to democrats for what little they do have, when in reality it was the democrats policies that screwed them to begin with.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
also, it could be argued that democrats are racist because the laws they pass have a negative effect on black people. welfare destroyed black families by paying young black women to have babies. this created a large voting block of people who have almost no way out and believe they are beholden to democrats for what little they do have, when in reality it was the democrats policies that screwed them to begin with.

One could argue that your argument is in itself racism.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Promethply
Conservatives tend to be satisfied with how things are working in their life, and hence want to keep their status quo

The main reason there is no remotely conservative party in the US at the moment - name one thing that Bush and Co. have accepted the 'status quo' on.