Are APG video cards still worth it?
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There is no performance difference between the two, but high end cards will not be released on AGP starting around the end of next year.
There's nothing wrong with AGP, and you can definitely get a 6800GT for less than a 6800GT PCIE. There's no difference performance-wise, and AGP is definitely more of a "bang for buck" solution now.
This is not a flame. But I think someone would have to be a complete moron to build a AGP based system ground-up right now.
The only excuse is being uniformed. Even that is not a good excuse, and worth kicking yourself over.
If your spending the money, dont let the $50-100 difference from the 6800GT AGP to PCIE sway you.
WHY are you upgrading? To get todays technology (PCIE), or yesterdays? Which you likely already have?
Its something to think about. I'm dumping $1200 or so on a whole new system as soon as Newegg gets NF4 SLI boards in stock and I'm getting the 6800GT PCIE for about $450.
Rollo said AGP is great bang for buck... is it??
I'll be putting another 6800GT in SLI mode in a year or two and getting stellar performance. Then who has "bang for buck"?
The AGP system or the SLI PCIe rig?
Moral of the story is, if you're going to blow that kind of money.. spend the extra premium PCIe (and preferably SLI as well) requires.
If you dont get SLI, fine. At least you will have a good PCIe video card that is at least capable of going into a SLI rig or motherboard, the one you will likely buy when you wake up and realize.. DAMN it WAS worth it!!!!
The only excuse is being uniformed. Even that is not a good excuse, and worth kicking yourself over.
If your spending the money, dont let the $50-100 difference from the 6800GT AGP to PCIE sway you.
WHY are you upgrading? To get todays technology (PCIE), or yesterdays? Which you likely already have?
Its something to think about. I'm dumping $1200 or so on a whole new system as soon as Newegg gets NF4 SLI boards in stock and I'm getting the 6800GT PCIE for about $450.
Rollo said AGP is great bang for buck... is it??
I'll be putting another 6800GT in SLI mode in a year or two and getting stellar performance. Then who has "bang for buck"?
The AGP system or the SLI PCIe rig?
Moral of the story is, if you're going to blow that kind of money.. spend the extra premium PCIe (and preferably SLI as well) requires.
If you dont get SLI, fine. At least you will have a good PCIe video card that is at least capable of going into a SLI rig or motherboard, the one you will likely buy when you wake up and realize.. DAMN it WAS worth it!!!!
Who knows maybe my NV50 or R520 will smoke 2 6800's. You never know with the computer industry
And IMO AGP is still worth it.
you're on a budget and you're looking at the 6800gt??? shouldn't you be looking at a 6600gt instead? anyways,, around how much you're going to spend on the system?
Housecat,
There are no PCI Express video cards available right now of the GT/Ultra flavor. They are impossible to find (and if you do find one, it's like $650 for the GT). AGP will be around for a couple of more years, and by then, he'll be building his next machine. I have a ASUS AN8-SLI thats sitting around waiting for these cards, and they are just not available, and won't be until next year.
It seems that the juicy cards (6800GT/Ultra) are available for AGP and the best you can do on PCI Express now is a vanilla 6800.
The AGPs will be fine for a while... Especially is he wants to go budget.
There are no PCI Express video cards available right now of the GT/Ultra flavor. They are impossible to find (and if you do find one, it's like $650 for the GT). AGP will be around for a couple of more years, and by then, he'll be building his next machine. I have a ASUS AN8-SLI thats sitting around waiting for these cards, and they are just not available, and won't be until next year.
It seems that the juicy cards (6800GT/Ultra) are available for AGP and the best you can do on PCI Express now is a vanilla 6800.
The AGPs will be fine for a while... Especially is he wants to go budget.
A NV50 might beat two 6800GTs, but we're talking "bang for buck".
The point was that a 6800GT will be much cheaper by the time NV50 is out, and presents a interesting option to more performance... as we said, for less "buck".
Topping performance of dual cards is not really an issue here. But quite the obvious reality.
6800GT right here. $450. Just recently did that January 19th date get put up. But goes to show that even though they ARE in short supply.. they are NOT nonexistant. Thats just the site I've been watching. I'm sure its available for less than the quoted $650 by SRoode.
Anyways, going with clearly obsolete technology is very poor bang for buck. Like I said, you might save some pennies.. but if you are THAT strapped for cash and want a new system... wait and save your cash.
But every passing day PCIE gets more and more relevant and AGP is fading... clocks ticking!
Many high end pci-e cards are overpriced. Then again some of the lesser cards are also... The point is that pci-e is limited on the selection that you have for comparable performing agp cards.
Also amd pci-e mobos arent in high supply as of right now (incase u havent been paying attention at all lately) and intel systems typcally arent as good as amd systems for gaming so you are stuck with paying more once again (once the mobos come out in supply) or getting a less performing system price/performance wise.
Also amd pci-e mobos arent in high supply as of right now (incase u havent been paying attention at all lately) and intel systems typcally arent as good as amd systems for gaming so you are stuck with paying more once again (once the mobos come out in supply) or getting a less performing system price/performance wise.
I should say this so its clear for everyone.
BUYING a AGP card now, for a fast AGP based system is NOT a bad choice.
BUILDING a AGP SYSTEM right now, is a bad choice.
I think its bad advice to actually tell someone to spend their hard earned money on a AGP board/rig at this point!
A thousand more people may refute me, but to the OP... dont do it.
Like I said, even if you dont get a SLI board... the expansion possibilities, as well as the longterm value of the card will be higher being PCIE instead of AGP. Especially the Nvidia SLI capable PCIE cards, they are IMO going to hold more value over time than non-SLI boards like the current ATI selection. They're desirable... theres a reason why their price is so high right now (and its not 'just' OEM demand).
BUYING a AGP card now, for a fast AGP based system is NOT a bad choice.
BUILDING a AGP SYSTEM right now, is a bad choice.
I think its bad advice to actually tell someone to spend their hard earned money on a AGP board/rig at this point!
A thousand more people may refute me, but to the OP... dont do it.
Like I said, even if you dont get a SLI board... the expansion possibilities, as well as the longterm value of the card will be higher being PCIE instead of AGP. Especially the Nvidia SLI capable PCIE cards, they are IMO going to hold more value over time than non-SLI boards like the current ATI selection. They're desirable... theres a reason why their price is so high right now (and its not 'just' OEM demand).
I'd get something with PCI express slots since that's just the way of the future. Also... SATA2 would be nice and it's available on the new nforce4 boards. Also supports Native Command Quiing for better thruput under load on those HD's that support it... like Maxtors maxline3 and drives like that. You can build a super-system on nforce4. May wait a bit until the boards have been burned in a while ;-) If you don't wanna wait for nforce4 boards... use the intel 915/925 chipset boards... they are fine..then yer stuck with intel. DO u care?
Probably around $1500 plus everything like monitor and speakers. I was thinking of a av8, 3200, and a PNY 6800GT or eVGA 6800GT.
Housecat has everything right in my opinion as well.
I just got a new rig with A8N-SLI, I was to get the MSI Neo 2, but when I learned that pci-e is coming to the AMD I waited, and its worth the wait.
I got an MSI 6800GT OEM, in tha uk and payed 260 quid for it. Thats 500$ but bear in mind that alla electronics are way more expensive here in the UK.
Thing is NOT the performacve today, but the whole project in the near future.
All grafix card smanufacturers have clearly declared that AGP is dying and if not in 6 monhts, in 1 year there wont be any cards coming out for it at all.
Also in the future pci-e is bound to utilise that extra speed it can offer on paper, and also utilise SLI as well.
Try selling the 450$ 6800GT AGP in 1 years time, and tell me how much its gona fetch...
The future is pci-e and the price difference atm does not justify not getting it.
If you had an AGP system, and only wanted to get a grafix card you would get an AGP cause u had no choice, but if you build one now I would only go for pci-e.
I just got a new rig with A8N-SLI, I was to get the MSI Neo 2, but when I learned that pci-e is coming to the AMD I waited, and its worth the wait.
I got an MSI 6800GT OEM, in tha uk and payed 260 quid for it. Thats 500$ but bear in mind that alla electronics are way more expensive here in the UK.
Thing is NOT the performacve today, but the whole project in the near future.
All grafix card smanufacturers have clearly declared that AGP is dying and if not in 6 monhts, in 1 year there wont be any cards coming out for it at all.
Also in the future pci-e is bound to utilise that extra speed it can offer on paper, and also utilise SLI as well.
Try selling the 450$ 6800GT AGP in 1 years time, and tell me how much its gona fetch...
The future is pci-e and the price difference atm does not justify not getting it.
If you had an AGP system, and only wanted to get a grafix card you would get an AGP cause u had no choice, but if you build one now I would only go for pci-e.
If your going with a new motherboard then definetly get PCI-E. No reason at all not too. Its faster, seems to be cheaper, and is the future compared to AGP. Plus you want to run SLI someday right?
There's absolutely nothing wrong with buying an AGP system today. No matter what people say about PCI-E being bigger, better, faster, newer, the truth is there's no performance difference between the two but there's a good amount of savings to be had by going AGP. And AGP is going to be around for quite a while yet. PCI-E video cards have BARELY begun shipping and ATI/Nvidia aren't going to quit releasing AGP versions of their cards for quite some time yet.
Nvidia timetable
Best guess from what I've read is that there's going to be new AGP cards released for at least the next two years. If you buy an AGP OR PCI-E system today, chances are you'll be replacing it all by then anyhow.
Nvidia timetable
Best guess from what I've read is that there's going to be new AGP cards released for at least the next two years. If you buy an AGP OR PCI-E system today, chances are you'll be replacing it all by then anyhow.
u could buy a 6600GT pciexpress card, they are cheaper than AGP version of the 6600GT. Or, if u get an SLI motherboard(dont know if they're out now), u could get 2 of them for less $$ than a 6800GT and about the same performance.
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Originally posted by: dfloyd
If your going with a new motherboard then definetly get PCI-E. No reason at all not too. Its faster, seems to be cheaper, and is the future compared to AGP. Plus you want to run SLI someday right?
Seems to be cheaper? Last time I checked you can get a nice nForce3 setup for cheaper than any PCIe setup, and that is not talking about the PCIe cards which are few and very expensive (except maybe the 6600).
The main thing to consider is how often you want to upgrade. I upgrade my GPU every 1.5 years and my mobo/cpu every 1.5-2 years. I am currently running a 1.2 year old AthlonXP 3200+ with a new 6800 GT. I figure by the end of '05 to the first few monthes of '06 it will be time to upgrade. I will still be able to play all the latest games (though by that time I will be down to 1024x768 instead of 1600x1200).
Thats the way I do things, so if I were building a new system right NOW, I would get a proven AGP system and upgrade to PCIe in early '06.
-spike
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