Archealogy and Camels

[piasabird]

The Question is where did camels come from and when were they used in the Bible or historically?

See genesis and reference for Abraham and Camels.


Genesis 24:46

46 And she made haste, and let down her pitcher from her shoulder, and said, Drink, and I will give thy camels drink also: so I drank, and she made the camels drink also.


Genesis 24:10

10 ¶And the servant took ten camels of the camels of his master, and departed; for all the goods of his master were in his hand: and he arose, and went to Mesopotamia, unto the city of Nahor.


Genesis 24:32

32 ¶And the man came into the house: and he ungirded his camels, and gave straw and provender for the camels, and water to wash his feet, and the men’s feet that were with him.



This article claims that due to evidence found at an archaeology site that there were no camels being used in Biblical Times. Is it a legitimate use of logic or not?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/06/carbon-dated-camel-bones-bible_n_4737437.html

I first thought to look at Egyptian hieroglyphs and see if there was evidence of camels and there seems to be no symbol for camels in ancient Egypt. However, it did say that Camels were introduced by the Persians. So cool lets look for that and there are records of early use of camels in Iran, but how early?

It seems even Romans tended to use mules to transport goods which I guess was around AD 1.

I came across a reference to something else on this website:
http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/economy/camels.htm

So this site is for kids, but it tries to say that Camels originated on the American Continent and migrated to South America to become Llamas, and then to east Asia over an ice bridge during the ice age. Maybe they were looking for a warm place to live. It also said that a good cargo saddle was not developed for camels till about 500AD.

Using a children's website might be kind of silly, but do you think Camels originated in North America?

So do the archaeologists just come to the conclusions they want to based on their agenda or what?

This reminds be of the Biblical saying that even Christ was suppose to have referenced at one time Luke 18-25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle’s eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. The eye of the needle was an entrance through the walls of Jerusalem, and it is hard to enter because you have to unload the camel and carry the loads through and then get the camel to kneel down to get through the entrance, then load the came on the other side.

 

[Strk]

It seems the only question is whether you want to use the bible as a historical text.

 

[sandorski]

Archeology determines their conclusions based upon the data. If they have no evidence of camels until long after the alleged life of Abraham, then either they have yet to find the evidence or that there simply were no camels at that time.

That said, I wonder if the camels mentioned in the Old Testament is just an Interpolation written in long after the events allegedly took place. I could see this happening if the Abraham story was verbally transmitted for a very long time and over the course of time camels appeared and became incorporated into it before it was written. Another possibility is that some cleric misinterpreted the animal or possibly took a generic term and applied a particular animal to it that had become common by his time.

 

[DominionSeraph]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham#Historicity_and_origins

 

[piasabird]

This reminds me of a historical film I watched about the Great Queen Seon Deok, from the Kingdom of Silla. There were camels used in that historical program as well. She was famous for building a star gazing tower that still stands today called Cheomseongdae.

As a baby she was snuck into hiding in the deserts and part of China and lived at a trading post where tea was traded and could read Latin and Chinese. She learned a lot from traders and even knew about things like Curry from India and about the roman Empire. She knew about camels and she lived about 615AD and came to power in 632 AD.

 

[piasabird]

Lets just say I believe camels existed somewhere since they were in existence later. They didn't just pop out of the air. Abraham was around a long time ago. He originated from somewhere around Iraq or Iran in the UR of the Chaldes according to the bible. It is difficult to prove anything that far back in time. It was a common practice to wipe out cultures and destroy their records just like how Muslims destroyed some Buddas a while back. Perhaps there are some hidden records that will come to light in the near future.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Lets just say I believe camels existed somewhere since they were in existence later. They didn't just pop out of the air. Abraham was around a long time ago. He originated from somewhere around Iraq or Iran in the UR of the Chaldes according to the bible. It is difficult to prove anything that far back in time. It was a common practice to wipe out cultures and destroy their records just like how Muslims destroyed some Buddas a while back. Perhaps there are some hidden records that will come to light in the near future.

You could have just started here if you were wondering where they came from and when.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel#Evolution

 

[Moonbeam]

I found a camels tooth in gravel I sifted in Santa Cruz California from a Miocene bay that contains beautiful shark teeth. The oldest known camel lived during middle to late Eocene some 45-40 million years ago in North America. What we know about camels comes from the fossil record, not the Bible.

 

[Victorian Gray]

and an interesting bit of American history that a lot of folks don't know about:

U. S. Camel Corps

http://www.desertusa.com/mag05/sep/camel.html

 

[Abwx]

It was a common practice to wipe out cultures and destroy their records just like how Muslims destroyed some Buddas a while back.

Some buddas in Afghanistan and 799 religious historical buldings
in Yugoslavia....of course theses were 799 muslims buldings
destroyed by hateful christians but hey , let s take the few
buddas as exemple since it help promote your usual racist
agenda.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Lets just say I believe camels existed somewhere since they were in existence later. They didn't just pop out of the air. Abraham was around a long time ago. He originated from somewhere around Iraq or Iran in the UR of the Chaldes according to the bible. It is difficult to prove anything that far back in time. It was a common practice to wipe out cultures and destroy their records just like how Muslims destroyed some Buddas a while back. Perhaps there are some hidden records that will come to light in the near future.

It's ok to admit the Mormon thread upset you
You should of just posted in it and said so

What's the connection between Mormons and camels?
A quick google tells me there is something going on

 

[1prophet]

Some buddas in Afghanistan and 799 religious historical buldings
in Yugoslavia....of course theses were 799 muslims buldings
destroyed by hateful christians but hey , let s take the few
buddas as exemple since it help promote your usual racist
agenda.

Since when is religion inherited like race, and not a choice?

Other religions like Christianity get mocked for their beliefs and acts,which is a choice, all the time here yet nobody calls their accusers racists.

unless you are like those idiot birthers that believe Obama is a Muslim because he inherited it from his father who once was a muslim.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Since when is religion inherited like race, and not a choice?

Other religions like Christianity get mocked for their beliefs and acts,which is a choice, all the time here yet nobody calls their accusers racists.

unless you are like those idiot birthers that believe Obama is a Muslim because he inherited it from his father who once was a muslim.

The Chinese are crushing the rest of the statues now to make way for copper mines and nobody cares
A Mormon made a post because he wants to see some real Christians and Muslims Scrap

See how I said real Christians, now we can argue about Christians vs fake ones like Mormons and The Church of Scientology

,)

 

[IronWing]

You could have just started here if you were wondering where they came from and when.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel#Evolution

I'm rather amused when basic common sense has to be transmongrified into a religious stricture.

Also, some Islamic schools of thought consider it haraam for a Muslim to perform salat in places where camels lie, as it is said to be a dwelling place of shaytan.[109]

Translation back to common sense: Don't perform your daily prayers while kneeling in camel shit.

 

[Jaskalas]

You could have just started here if you were wondering where they came from and when.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel#Evolution

/thread.

Google is your friend.

 

[Abwx]

Since when is religion inherited like race, and not a choice?

Other religions like Christianity get mocked for their beliefs and acts,which is a choice, all the time here yet nobody calls their accusers racists.

unless you are like those idiot birthers that believe Obama is a Muslim because he inherited it from his father who once was a muslim.

My point is that many people of different so called religions
did destroy religious items from seemingly rival faith so an
unbiaised person would write this :

It was a common practice to wipe out cultures and destroy their records

But someone hatefull will forcibly use this as a mean to
diabolize whoever he hate , hence he ll add :

just like how Muslims destroyed some Buddas a while back.

 

[Moonbeam]

In Googling Mormons and Camels, I came up with this:

http://www.lds-mormon.com/smithson.shtml

Apparently there is a Mormon myth that the Smithsonian uses the Book of Mormon to guide its, investigations. Maybe the scientific fact that Camels are from the Americas means that the Indians and Camel folk from the East have been linked by some Mormon minds even though the Camel in North America became extinct 10,000 years ago, doubtless before the Earth was even created.

It IS sad as some remark here, that the literalness of a religious text must be perfectly accurate for some people to believe in God. God can't be put in a book, he can be known only through the heart. Nobody can put God into words and any words about God are only symbols of something that can't be known with reason alone. God is known when the ego dies and love takes its place, I think. But we don't really get that either because the ego can't make itself die and love can't be forced.

Every Mormon is as good as anybody else and anybody else likewise, but the religion of Mormon, no matter how illogically founded, does pretty well by its people. Who would argue that people shouldn't take good care of their health and help each other. I respect many things about Mormons and don't like them funding bigots in California.

Don't make fun of people's religion because even though their books are silly, their effects of their beliefs may be very good generally speaking. I would rather be around a person with heart than a cold logician who can drop somebody in a tank and measure how long they can swim. The real purpose of religion should be to make the heart live.

 

[debian0001]

Why not use something that has more credibility than the bible?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel