Archconservatives

[Newell Steamer]

This was brought up a few weeks ago, when brycejones noted during another thread, the label "anarcho capitalist".

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37655599&postcount=9

... more of anarcho capitalist type of which there are a few around here.

And Bloomberg discusses this same type of 'conservative': http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-10-09/archconservatives-real-enemy-is-democracy

But the Ultras are not big on balance. Or, really, democracy. To them, Obama is not the duly elected president of the United States, the nation's highest officer. He is an affront and an obstacle. Since he is not an archconservative Republican, and they so fervently wish that he were, they simply deem him illegitimate.

The Ultras are called "outsider" and "anti-establishment" and "anti-government." And they are in various ways. But they are mostly anti-democratic. They reserve their greatest contempt for compromise, even with members of their own party. Compromise is the viscous stuff that enables diverse interests to be accommodated and government to function. It's the stuff of American pluralism and representative democracy, fluid enough to carry multiple views but still sticky enough to make one of many.

The Ultras are at war with Democrats, with Republicans, with government itself. But mostly they are war with perhaps the greatest, if least heralded, of American political ideals: half-a-loafism. In a 50-50 nation, they don't want small bites. They want it all. Never mind that they represent a rump of one party.

And yet, these extremists constantly use terms, phrases and claims that THEY are the ones looking to preserve democracy and freedom. When in truth, it's freedom to oppress.

When they are called out on their true intentions, the usual crap spews out. How we are liars. How we are bad for pointing these things out. How we are involved in a circle jerk.

If anything, such venomous replies are truly an indicator of who the real bad guys are. Because they don't want to discuss, they just want to oppress.

 

[Greenman]

Why do you guy's need to constantly remind each other of how "right" you are? Are you really that needy?

 

[Newell Steamer]

Why do you guy's need to constantly remind each other of how "right" you are? Are you really that needy?

Yup, this is another typical response.

Thanks for the reminder.

 

[nickqt]

Why do you guy's need to constantly remind each other of how "right" you are? Are you really that needy?

Why do you guys worry about us reminding ourselves how "right" we are? Are you really that insecure?

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Congratulations you found an editorial by someone who espouses your view and shares your opinions. That must mean you are right. /sarcasm

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Why do you guys worry about us reminding ourselves how "right" we are? Are you really that insecure?

Nice "tolerant" response. LOL

 

[dank69]

Nice "tolerant" response. LOL

What does tolerance have to do with anything and how was his response intolerant?

 

[Newell Steamer]

Congratulations you found an editorial by someone who espouses your view and shares your opinions. That must mean you are right. /sarcasm

Ah, so none of these observations are valid? Everything is beloved patriot dory with the GOP.

Thanks for clearing that up.

/your archconservatism is showing

 

[DucatiMonster696]

What does tolerance have to do with anything and how was his response intolerant?

It has everything to do with those who claim to be open minded and presume they are "correct on everything" and refusing to listen to anyone who questions that narrative.

 

[nickqt]

Nice "tolerant" response. LOL

Learn to read, and try, try again.

 

[Greenman]

Yup, this is another typical response.

Thanks for the reminder.

Always happy to help.
But you didn't answer my question, and it really was a question. I'm a curious fellow by nature, and very confident, so I notice when folks need regular reassurances that they're on the right track. Does it apply to everything in your life, or just certain aspects of it? Where does the self doubt come from? Is it really a feeling of inferiority or is it just the desire to be a part of something that seems popular?

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Learn to read, and try, try again.

Oh I read it correctly. The OP's post and links are basically summed up with a few lines,
"If your views are not 100% in line with the party message then you are wrong on everything and not worth listening too and you are infact a threat and so I will demonize your position using strawman arguments".

 

[Greenman]

Why do you guys worry about us reminding ourselves how "right" we are? Are you really that insecure?

I addressed this in my response to steamer. I'm not worried about it at all, but I do wonder about it.

 

[nickqt]

Always happy to help.
But you didn't answer my question, and it really was a question. I'm a curious fellow by nature, and very confident, so I notice when folks need regular reassurances that they're on the right track. Does it apply to everything in your life, or just certain aspects of it? Where does the self doubt come from? Is it really a feeling of inferiority or is it just the desire to be a part of something that seems popular?

Truly and verily I say to you, that this is a political discussion sub-forum on a tech website.

Perhaps OP is just ultra trolling, and reeled you in extremely quick, given the substance of his post, and your response.

Or, perhaps OP is unlike you; whereas you assure us that you are intellectually curious, strong and virile, OP is just a weak-kneed follower who so needs people to agree with him that he... posts on a tech website sub-forum.

Which one is more likely? That's my question to you, oh confident one.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Always happy to help.
But you didn't answer my question, and it really was a question. I'm a curious fellow by nature, and very confident, so I notice when folks need regular reassurances that they're on the right track. Does it apply to everything in your life, or just certain aspects of it? Where does the self doubt come from? Is it really a feeling of inferiority or is it just the desire to be a part of something that seems popular?

Nope.

Now answer mine; do you honestly feel there is nothing wrong with how the right is behaving? The lies, the rejection of facts and proof, the character assassination of people who ask you questions like this, etc.

 

[dank69]

Oh I read it correctly. The OP's post and links are basically summed up with a few lines,
"If your views are not 100% in line with the party message then you are wrong on everything and not worth listening too and you are infact a threat and so I will demonize your position using strawman arguments".

You know what's great? When a dumb ass conservative like you uses a straw man while claiming the liberals are using a straw man.

 

[nickqt]

You know what's great? When a dumb ass conservative like you uses a straw man while claiming the liberals are using a straw man.

Projection and cognitive dissonance are the pillars of modern US conservatism.

 

[dank69]

I addressed this in my response to steamer. I'm not worried about it at all, but I do wonder about it.

I see. So you can just be curious but the OP can't?

 

[Indus]

"If your views are not 100% in line with the party message then you are wrong on everything and not worth listening too and you are infact a threat and so I will demonize your position using strawman arguments".

So true, that's what Republicans do a lot. Demonize helping their own country's citizens but calling any good benefits program socialism.

Congratulations you found an editorial by someone who espouses your view and shares your opinions. That must mean you are right. /sarcasm

Think you will find a lot who are opposed to privatizing social security, medicare, medicaid. Don't need an editorial to validate the threat posed by the arch conservatives.

It has everything to do with those who claim to be open minded and presume they are "correct on everything" and refusing to listen to anyone who questions that narrative.

Exactly the arch conservatives are not open minded at all.

 

[Greenman]

Truly and verily I say to you, that this is a political discussion sub-forum on a tech website.

Perhaps OP is just ultra trolling, and reeled you in extremely quick, given the substance of his post, and your response.

Or, perhaps OP is unlike you; whereas you assure us that you are intellectually curious, strong and virile, OP is just a weak-kneed follower who so needs people to agree with him that he... posts on a tech website sub-forum.

Which one is more likely? That's my question to you, oh confident one.

I don't know which it might be, and I never mentioned strong and virile, just confidant. Though I'm faltered that you threw those in:$

 

[Greenman]

Nope.

Now answer mine; do you honestly feel there is nothing wrong with how the right is behaving? The lies, the rejection of facts and proof, the character assassination of people who ask you questions like this, etc.

Wrong is a subjective term in politics, dishonest would be the term I'd use, and it's almost all encompassing. Hyperbole, spin, and half truths are the mainstay of modern politics. To say one party is worse than the other is splitting hairs on the quantum level. This is the core of the two party system, anyone that's straight up honest is mauled to death by both party's and the public.
We don't want good government, we want to control others, we don't want to make informed decisions for the betterment of all, we want our "side" to win and our group to come out ahead. Grasp the simple notion that all government is fundamentally evil and you'll begin to understand my point of view. Every political decision is choosing the lessor of many evils, someone always looses, someone always gives up something, someone is always bitterly disappointed at the outcome. That's why we spend the time and energy required to convince each other that we're "right".

 

[MongGrel]

This thread went nowhere fast in general.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't know which it might be, and I never mentioned strong and virile, just confidant. Though I'm faltered that you threw those in:$

The CBD requires confidence to survive. What you describe as confidence I call the inability to feel shame. The conservative is a creature of conformity and group think. The defect is caused by shaming children, causing Stockholm syndrome in them so they become the oppressors of their own children. It's a self perpetuating sickness, a club of back patting molesters who perpetuate a form of mental illness, happily and without the slightest shame. You love and need your self confidence because without it you would re-experience all the pain that happened to you.

But self confidence is a great thing and a greater thing still when it's accompanied by a capacity for shame, real self introspection, and love of life.

I was so curious about how thing work I destroyed all my conditioning. the bandages of ego that were suppose to patch up the wounds of self hate. Be careful about curiosity. It can kill your world view.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Grasp the simple notion that all government is fundamentally evil and you'll begin to understand my point of view.

It will be simple when you offer a viable alternative - what is your viable alternative?

Hint: anarchy is not a viable alternative.

 

[Greenman]

It will be simple when you offer a viable alternative - what is your viable alternative?

Hint: anarchy is not a viable alternative.

There is no viable alternative, some government is necessary, I should have made that clear.