Discussion ARC Battle Mage reviews. Discussion of performance, features, and various card models.

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Daniel-San review

Kit Guru

 

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Tom's https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/intel-arc-b570-review-asrock-challenger-oc-tested

W1zz https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asrock-arc-b570-challenger/

Hub written https://www.techspot.com/review/2943-intel-arc-b570/

 

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Tom's https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/intel-arc-b570-review-asrock-challenger-oc-tested

W1zz https://www.techpowerup.com/review/asrock-arc-b570-challenger/

Hub written https://www.techspot.com/review/2943-intel-arc-b570/

Actually seems decent though pointless because of the B580 which will almost certainly age more gracefully.

And lol at TPU for one of their negatives:

• No support for DLSS (yes I know it's an NV exclusive, still doesn't change the fact that you can have it on one option and not on others)

 

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Actually seems decent though pointless because of the B580 which will almost certainly age more gracefully.

The response is lackluster as a consequence. I can grab the Challenger on Newegg at the moment. Maybe I'll sell my A750LE and buy it. How about $125 shipped igor?

And lol at TPU for one of their negatives:

He includes that in every non RTX review now.

 

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After watching some reviews, the most noteworthy negatives are as follows.

Dom from Kit Guru spends more time in the games than the others do. Due to that, he found crashing, lock ups, and performance issue oh my! with RT in Cyberpunk, Ratchet and Clank, and Outlaws.

Multiple reviewers observed frame pacing issues.

The glass half full is Daniel-San showed how it bodies the RTX 3050 for the same money. I'd have preferred the RX 6600 if only comparing to one other card, but I understand the logic and time constraints a full time math teacher has.

 

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He includes that in every non RTX review now.

Seems like shilling to me.

 

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Seems like shilling to me.

A product not having the exclusive feature to another company, being a negative for the product makes my head hurt more than usual. I guess street cred be damned if the money is good eh?

I think how I am going to do this, is sell a few things to finance the B570. If the B580 stops being OOS I'll get it instead. Mrs is going to get spicy if I go back to the hardware hoarding I did during the pandemic.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Seems like shilling to me.

- W1Z had to add the little clarification in parenthesis because it is not a popular take, even on TPU.

It would be one thing if he listed "Access to all possible upscaling methods" as a + under NV cards but to list it as a negative under other cards is absolutely wild.

 

[igor_kavinski]

It would be one thing if he listed "Access to all possible upscaling methods" as a + under NV cards but to list it as a negative under other cards is absolutely wild.

Maybe he envisions Intel "licensing" DLSS from Jensen if he keeps doing it

 

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- W1Z had to add the little clarification in parenthesis because it is not a popular take, even on TPU.

It would be one thing if he listed "Access to all possible upscaling methods" as a + under NV cards but to list it as a negative under other cards is absolutely wild.

You know that Nvidia money is good when he is not shamelessly pimping an Intel product. Of course most of his staff will do that in the forums. 🤣

Wendell says the Linux testing is messy, but he will have that when he gets it sorted.

 

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- W1Z had to add the little clarification in parenthesis because it is not a popular take, even on TPU.

It would be one thing if he listed "Access to all possible upscaling methods" as a + under NV cards but to list it as a negative under other cards is absolutely wild.

If it was listed as a positive in the way you mentioned I wouldn't think twice about it. But using it is a negative is a joke.

 

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Daniel-San coming through with the RX 6600 match up

 

[DavidC1]

My opinion on the B570:
-Since the CPU overhead tanks the B580 anyway, for older systems the B570 is going to just save you $30-50.
-B580 is going to be more popular thus you'll have a harder time buying it or it'll be sold at a higher price. $250 at this point doesn't seem very realistic.
-The VRAM difference is muted when the absolute performance can't keep up due to the overhead issue. Then you'll have to back up on settings anyway which will also reduce VRAM requirements.

Also the point where 10GB is not enough but 12GB is quite specific. If it was at least 50% difference yea sure, but 20% is not big enough.

 

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Bought the Onix B580 which appeared out of nowhere as in stock. They also have it in white - https://www.newegg.com/asrock-chall...-gddr6/p/N82E16814987001?Item=N82E16814987001

 

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Smart biz for PC Partner Group, which has a stake in Sapphire and also owns Zotac, or Sapphire itself, to launch Onix as an Intel brand. And Tul Corp which owns PowerColor to launch Sparkle.

 

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Bought the Onix B580 which appeared out of nowhere as in stock. They also have it in white - https://www.newegg.com/asrock-chall...-gddr6/p/N82E16814987001?Item=N82E16814987001

Sold out, but you can still get the mildly overclocked Lumi - https://www.newegg.com/onix-odyssey-8346-00178-intel-arc-b580-12gb-gddr6/p/N82E16814987002

 

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LTT live streamed 31 games B580 V. 4060 with a 12th gen i5. I did not see the exact model mentioned but it is likely the 12400 series. You can reference the top comment for timestamps and info.

4060 - 15 Ws
TIe in 10 games
B580 - 6 wins

Had a crash with the 4060 so not exactly perfect. But the ARC system stopped working at one point.

War Thunder is not nearly as bad as HUB, it is in fact good performance with their settings and gameplay.

 

[MrTeal]

My opinion on the B570:
-Since the CPU overhead tanks the B580 anyway, for older systems the B570 is going to just save you $30-50.
-B580 is going to be more popular thus you'll have a harder time buying it or it'll be sold at a higher price. $250 at this point doesn't seem very realistic.
-The VRAM difference is muted when the absolute performance can't keep up due to the overhead issue. Then you'll have to back up on settings anyway which will also reduce VRAM requirements.

Also the point where 10GB is not enough but 12GB is quite specific. If it was at least 50% difference yea sure, but 20% is not big enough.

If you ever saw $50, sure. There's no Intel LE for the 570 though, and at least what I'm seeing in Canada is the LE is on and off available at CAD359, while B570 AIBs are ~CAD330. That's effectively a US$20 difference, so the B570 seems pretty DOA unless something changes.

 

[DavidC1]

Is availability better in Canada or something?

 

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That's effectively a US$20 difference, so the B570 seems pretty DOA unless something changes.

Same gap here $30 difference between the ASRock B570 and the least expensive B580. The ASRock is still in stock while everything else is gone. Including the Sparkle B570 despite costing $10 more. Aesthetics matter to a lot of gamers I guess.

The Onix stock kept the B580LE + MSI PSU combo from selling out so far. Usually it's gone fast. The Lumi is now OOS so the combo will likely follow it this evening.

 

[DavidC1]

That's when it's available though. It does seem to be getting better? Does that have to do with the recent negative spotlight?

 

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That's when it's available though. It does seem to be getting better? Does that have to do with the recent negative spotlight?

The overhead issues have not dampened enthusiasm here in the U.S. Availability has only improved due to more brands releasing models. Every B580 model still sells out.

Speaking of CPU overhead: ComputerBase tested with 3 Intel CPUs including the 12100 series.

https://www.computerbase.de/artikel/prozessoren/cpu-overhead-b580-rtx-4060-rx-7600-xt.91005/

I think a mildly overclocked 12600kf, a CPU I have seen new in box for $125 here, is the perfect Intel pairing for the B580. While you won't reach 9800X3D fps, it'll be close enough. And you'll have enough vram moving forward, unlike the teams red and green.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Speaking of CPU overhead: ComputerBase tested with 3 Intel CPUs including the 12100 series.

It doesn't look "end of the world" bad even with a 12100, especially if that's all one's budget allows along with the B580. I just can't stop thinking about the irony. It's like a dying person trying to do one last act of kindness to make up for decades of sins and hoping that this will be how people will remember them. The GPU champion for the cash strapped folks.

 

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It doesn't look "end of the world" bad even with a 12100, especially if that's all one's budget allows along with the B580. I just can't stop thinking about the irony. It's like a dying person trying to do one last act of kindness to make up for decades of sins and hoping that this will be how people will remember them. The GPU champion for the cash strapped folks.

Frame pacing is rough, but use a frame cap and VRR and it'll buff as my kid says.

FYI- word has it the performance was fixed in Assassin's Creed Odyssey then drivers nerfed it again. Weird part is that DXVK now has bad frame times.

 

[DavidC1]

I think a mildly overclocked 12600kf, a CPU I have seen new in box for $125 here, is the perfect Intel pairing for the B580. While you won't reach 9800X3D fps, it'll be close enough. And you'll have enough vram moving forward, unlike the teams red and green.

It's doing much better than on AMD overall, but the differences in uarch performance between Alder and Raptor Refresh is minimal, while AMD has made huge progress between Ryzen 2000 and Ryzen 9000. You have to go Skylake generation to see any big difference.

Alderlake time AMD had Zen 3 while 9800X3D is Zen 5 and Intel regressed with Arrowlake.

The overall result is behind on 14900K, so the X3D is really benefitting ARC. Yes, Intel ARC needs AMD CPU to save itself.