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b0mbrman

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<< Dear fellow Americans,
Stop worrying about Israeli - Palestinian conflict.
Worry about how your ally "Musharaff" is using your tax dollars to fund more and more Jihadi terrorists. >>


My take on most Mid East leaders is that they are as pro-American as their people will allow them to be...Jordan's leaders seem to give their King a lot of discretion, Palestinians seem to give Arafat none...

If the people of Pakistan ever got really pissed off at America, Musharaff wouldn't be praised by the Pakistanis, rather, he'd get his a*s handed to him...


<< BTW, when the next nuclear bomb goes off in DC or NYC or SF it will be made in Pakistan not Palestine. >>


(Made by Pakistan-trained scientists) and (made at the order of the government of Pakistan) are pretty different statements...

 
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b0mbrman

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<< These are people who TARGET innocent women and children, not the ones who mistakenly kill them.
The growing resistance to the military force within the ranks of the Israeli military itself would claim otherwise. >>


But that still does not take away from the fact that Palestinian suicide bombers target innocent women and children, does it?
 
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<< These are people who TARGET innocent women and children, not the ones who mistakenly kill them.

The growing resistance to the military force within the ranks of the Israeli military itself would claim otherwise. >>



Ahhhh pleeeease dont give me that. Dude, I myself was in the IDF, and I can tell ya, these idiots in the army that say things like this, first of all, their numbers are greatly exaggerated and their only being reported on because it's a sensational thing. Secondy, the only reason that actually say this stuff, is because they're scared pu$$yless of actually being sent into a combat zone.
 
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<< These are people who TARGET innocent women and children, not the ones who mistakenly kill them.
The growing resistance to the military force within the ranks of the Israeli military itself would claim otherwise. >>


But that still does not take away from the fact that Palestinian suicide bombers target innocent women and children, does it? >>




Really like Isreali terrorists didn't do the same when the British controlled the area after WW2 ? The car bombings and attacks done by Isreali's militia groups on the British was one of the reasons why they pulled out of that area. I love how people in the media and on this forum only have a selective cut and paste memory of histroy.
 
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I'd have to agree with the original poster in that how is Arfat going to do anything when Isreal only targets Palistenia police and blows up their Police Stations everytime something happens. This like asking the mayor of New York to cut down crime in his city and the moment a crime is commited you go around bombing his police stations and killing his officers.
 
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<< These are people who TARGET innocent women and children, not the ones who mistakenly kill them.
The growing resistance to the military force within the ranks of the Israeli military itself would claim otherwise. >>


But that still does not take away from the fact that Palestinian suicide bombers target innocent women and children, does it? >>




Really like Isreali terrorists didn't do the same when the British controlled the area after WW2 ? The car bombings and attacks done by Isreali's militia groups on the British was one of the reasons why they pulled out of that area. I love how people in the media and on this forum only have a selective cut and paste memory of histroy. >>



Yes. Like they really didn't. They targeted MILITARY targets. NOT innocent unarmed non-combats. Simple, really.
 
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<< These are people who TARGET innocent women and children, not the ones who mistakenly kill them.
The growing resistance to the military force within the ranks of the Israeli military itself would claim otherwise. >>


But that still does not take away from the fact that Palestinian suicide bombers target innocent women and children, does it? >>




Really like Isreali terrorists didn't do the same when the British controlled the area after WW2 ? The car bombings and attacks done by Isreali's militia groups on the British was one of the reasons why they pulled out of that area. I love how people in the media and on this forum only have a selective cut and paste memory of histroy. >>



Yes. Like they really didn't. They targeted MILITARY targets. NOT innocent unarmed non-combats. Simple, really. >>




Bull$hit !! They blew up hotels and set car bombs anywhere that British soldiers would be regardless of who was around civilian or not and terrorized Palestinian people living in or around the areas they wanted to control and take over prior to 1948. Not to mention that now a days right-wing militias in settler areas have also been known to go after and lynch or burn alive Palestinian men, women or childern.
 
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But that still does not take away from the fact that Palestinian suicide bombers target innocent women and children, does it?

It simply means that this is a situation in which neither side is acting with acceptable methods. The difference for me is that, Israel being the "civilized" one, they should know better.
 
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It's all one big Hobsian jungle. As one of my friends from Singapore put it, it's "eat or be eaten!".
 
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Not to mention that now a days right-wing militias in settler areas have also been known to go after and lynch or burn alive Palestinian men, women or childern.

Would you like to provide some empirical proof of this statement?
 
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b0mbrman

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<< 1st Link
2nd site
Linked. BTW thanks for using those totally unbiased web sites. It gives your argument real credibility. >>


Yeah. Radio Islam is probably the fairest site on the internet these days ;)
 
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Yea, this crap with Bush telling Arafat what to do is so f**king stupid. Its obvious that this man has no control over his people, so what's the point, to make it look like we're doing something? Geesh. Its time for action. Either that or this is going to get worse.
 
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This will stop when one side is squashed under the other side's boot. Then and only then.
 
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<< 1st Link
2nd site

Linked. BTW thanks for using those totally unbiased web sites. It gives your argument real credibility. >>



Really like CNN and all those other media outlets aren't biased ?
 
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<< I'd have to agree with the original poster in that how is Arfat going to do anything when Isreal only targets Palistenia police and blows up their Police Stations everytime something happens. This like asking the mayor of New York to cut down crime in his city and the moment a crime is commited you go around bombing his police stations and killing his officers.
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God i hate listening to people who have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA how to use an ANALOGY.

Your analogy borders on RETARDED. If you wanted to make ur analogy even reasonably close you'd have to say NYC is sending Terrorists in to New Jersey and the Governer of New Jersey had repeatedly asked the Mayor of NYC to do something about it. If the Mayor of NYC cannot stem the tied of terrorists coming in from NYC to New Jersey then the Governer of New Jersey would be forced to take Military action.

God i hate stupid people.
 
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<< Really like CNN and all those other media outlets aren't biased ? >>


Here's an excerpt from Jerusalem Watch's about us page.


<< the aim of this project is to develop awareness of the continuing human rights violations perpetrated by the Israeli authorities against the Palestinian residents of the city of Jerusalem >>


Here's one from Radio Islam's page


<< Israel constitutes by its mere existence a complete defiance to all international laws, rules and principles, and the open racism manifested in the Jewish State is a violation of all ethics and morals known to Man >>



Yeah, I guess I could see where you could make the comparison of CNN with these sites. Again congratulations on giving real credibility to your argument.
 
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<< Really like CNN and all those other media outlets aren't biased ? >>


Here's an excerpt from Jerusalem Watch's about us page.


<< the aim of this project is to develop awareness of the continuing human rights violations perpetrated by the Israeli authorities against the Palestinian residents of the city of Jerusalem >>


Here's one from Radio Islam's page >>




<< Israel constitutes by its mere existence a complete defiance to all international laws, rules and principles, and the open racism manifested in the Jewish State is a violation of all ethics and morals known to Man >>



Yeah, I guess I could see where you could make the comparison of CNN with these sites. Again congratulations on giving real credibility to your argument.[/i] >>




My point is that you won't hear about anything negative like Isreali settlers lynching Palastienas but you will here about every single Palastiena sucide bomber on CNN and other media outlets here in the U.S. Then agian I guess too you only the Isreali point of view is the only valid one and the only one that matters and anything else that doesn't support it is being baised right ?
 
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<< My point is that you won't here about anything negative like Isreali settlers lynching Palastienas but you will here about every single Palastiena sucide bomber. So I guess too you only the Isreali point of view is the only valid one and the only one that matters and anything else that doesn't support it is being baised right ? >>


No, wrong. Again. My point is that if you want someone to believe what you are saying you had better be smart enough to realize that the sources you are using had better not be so biased that everything on them is questionable. You, evidently, are not. There are credible sources out there that support your argument. Find them and use them or I (and others) will ridicule your sources for being the biased POS sources of information that they are.
 
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That bastard is so powerless he managed a worldwide interview.....so I guess Bush is not so stupid afterall.
 
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<< It's nice to see all of the armchair generals and apologists come out of the woodwork over this. The points you raised are straight out of Palestinian propaganda. Boo-hoo, Arafat is cut off from the world. Its nice that you ignore the reason why this happened. 29 people were killed before this action was taken, not because of. If you expected the Israeli's to sit back and plead for peace while their civilians were ripped apart by bomb-covered cowards, then you must be a real moron, or French. Or both.. >>



Heh, i had a conversation with a friend about suicide killings and we came to the conclusion that the overused adjective of 'coward' is probably not the most appropriate word to use when talking about someone who sacrifices their own life. >>



You think killing yourself is not cowardly? You think walking into a mall full of kids and blowing yourself up is not cowardly? How about if they want us to not call them cowards, why don't they walk into an IDF barracks and do it? How about going to military area and blowing up people who have weapons?

No, they ARE cowards. They go where they hope nobody will resist them, and try to kill children. Don't try to glorify these people and what they do.
 
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PistachioByAzul

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No, they ARE cowards. They go where they hope nobody will resist them, and try to kill children. Don't try to glorify these people and what they do.

It takes balls and determination (as well as a lot of delusion) to blow yourself up for a cause, there's nothing cowardly about it.
 
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