Arafat-Iran connection exposed.

[ThePresence]

No big surprise....

 

[falias]

So, and America is helping Israel, big deal.

 

[DigDug]

Exactly, falias.

 

[Texmaster]

<< Exactly, falias. >>



Right its exactly the same.

Palestinians signed a treaty promising not to bring in weapons.

Not to mention the Palestinians target women and children with sucide bombers.

Tell you what, you find a story with one Israelie who went into a Palestian neighborhood and blew himself up, then we'll talk

 

[Martin]

<< Palestinians signed a treaty promising not to bring in weapons.

Not to mention the Palestinians target women and children with sucide bombers.

Tell you what, you find a story with one Israelie who went into a Palestian neighborhood and blew himself up, then we'll talk

>>




1. Israel's occupation is illegal, that doesn't seem to botehr them too much.

2. Israelis don't have to blow themselves up to kill Palestinians, they got their army for that job.

 

[Random Variable]

The Palestinians have been the political pawns of the very Arab governments that claim to want to help them.

Khlaed Al-Azm, the former prime minister of Syria, said it best:


<< Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of refugees while it is we who made them to leave. We brought disaster upon Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave. We have rendered them dispossessed. We have accustomed them to begging. We have participated in lowering their moral and social level. Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon men, women and children - all this in service of political purposes. >>

 

[Random Variable]

The Palestinians deserve more competent leadership.

 

[chiwawa626]

<< So, and America is helping Israel, big deal. >>


Yeah, why is it soo bad, while america is selling weapons and helping Israel as well? I think people are very biased here. Like someone pointed out, Israels occupation is illeagle, thus it should not happen. Now from what i hear on Tv all the time the palistinians want to go back to the i think 1969 borders..so why not do that ? I dont see why its wrong to goto the borders that were last set? What right does israel have to do anything?

 

[Texmaster]

<< 1. Israel's occupation is illegal, that doesn't seem to botehr them too much. >>



Perhaps but it is their right to defend themselves from organized terrorism. Especially when the leader of their government is directly involved



<< 2. Israelis don't have to blow themselves up to kill Palestinians, they got their army for that job. >>



Ok Marty I'll bite. Name one time the Isralie Army went in to specifically kill Palestinian Civilians without cause.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

1. Israel's occupation is illegal, that doesn't seem to botehr them too much.

2. Israelis don't have to blow themselves up to kill Palestinians, they got their army for that job.


Remember, when you're in the right like we are, you don't have to play by the rules, because everything you do is the always correct thing.

 

[Random Variable]

<< Yeah, why is it soo bad, while america is selling weapons and helping Israel as well? I think people are very biased here >>


No, I think people on here are just blind because they can't see that the Palestinians are being exploited for political ends.

 

[Random Variable]

The Arab governments have been oppressing the Palestinian people for decades, not the Israelis. People need to open up their eyes, or this problem will never be solved.

 

[Random Variable]

Silly me. I forgot where I was. This is ATOT, a place where only blatantly insulting statements will elicit responses.

 

[Red Dawn]

Hey the Palestineans are crazy. You have to be crazy to blow yourself up so you can blow up your enemy. How do you deal with that kind of insanity? Retaliating isn't going to do any good as these fsckers are going to kill themselves anyway.

 

[Geekbabe]

<< Hey the Palestineans are crazy. You have to be crazy to blow yourself up so you can blow up your enemy. How do you deal with that kind of insanity? Retaliating isn't going to do any good as these fsckers are going to kill themselves anyway. >>



That's a very good point, how would you handle the situation ?

 

[Random Variable]

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<< Hey the Palestineans are crazy. You have to be crazy to blow yourself up so you can blow up your enemy. How do you deal with that kind of insanity? Retaliating isn't going to do any good as these fsckers are going to kill themselves anyway. >>



That's a very good point, how would you handle the situation ? >>


I know what I would do, but I'm sure you don't want to know.

There is not a political or a military solution to this problem, but rather only an economical one. The Arab/Muslim world must stop exploiting the Palestinians for political ends, and instead make a concerted effort to reinvigorate the Palestinian economy and give the Palestinians a reason to want to live.

 

[DigDug]

Ok Marty I'll bite. Name one time the Isralie Army went in to specifically kill Palestinian Civilians without cause.

Now name one suicide bomber who has bombed without cause. But I forgot. YOUR definition of justified cause is the absolute and correct one.

 

[Geekbabe]

<<

<<

<< Hey the Palestineans are crazy. You have to be crazy to blow yourself up so you can blow up your enemy. How do you deal with that kind of insanity? Retaliating isn't going to do any good as these fsckers are going to kill themselves anyway. >>



That's a very good point, how would you handle the situation ? >>


I know what I would do, but I'm sure you don't want to know.

There is not a political or a military solution to this problem, but rather only an economical one. The Arab/Muslim world must stop exploiting the Palestinians for political ends, and instead make a concerted effort to reinvigorate the Palestinian economy and give the Palestinians a reason to want to live. >>




I'm not in the habit of asking questions if I'm not interested in the answers

How to deal with those who are zealous enough to kill themselves in order to get at an enemy is pretty complex obviously or they wouldn't employ the stratgey to begin with. Ecomonic pressure may well be part of the solution but it is overly simplistic in that it simply puts the larger Arab community in charge of dealing with/policing the Palestinian's and does nothing to address the sense of anger and rage that the Palestinian's feel as a people without a country., these people will go off no matter who';s in charge of policing them.

You'll have a loose canon group of people being policed by an Arab community who's dedication to the task is lukewarm at best and don't forget.economic pressure is also a two way street, they have something we need and need pretty badly
how much of that "pressure" will be born at our gas pumps ?

 

[Martin]

<< Perhaps but it is their right to defend themselves from organized terrorism. Especially when the leader of their government is directly involved
>>



Perhaps it is the Palestinians' right to fight for their freedom from an oppressive foreign government?
What I am trying to point it is that both sides are different sides of the same coin. Neither gives a sh*t about international treaties and such. Israel is illegaly occuping Palestinian territories and has some of the worst Human rights records, while the palestinians are either terrorists and support terrorism.

You may think I'm anti-Israel, but I'm not. In my view, both sides are responsible for this.





<< Ok Marty I'll bite. Name one time the Isralie Army went in to specifically kill Palestinian Civilians without cause. >>



Palestinians have a cause. But if you want an example where the Israeli army killed without cause, then check this out.



Link


<< A 40-year-old Palestinian woman was killed by a shot in the back, and two other civilians were critically wounded, Palestinian doctors said. Israeli troops barred ambulances from reaching the two wounded men, who died after being left untreated for about three hours, doctors said. There was no comment by the army. >>



I'm sure there are plenty more such incidents.

 

[Random Variable]

Baffled2

Ignoring the economic aspect would be the gravest of grave mistakes.

Helping the Palestinians to grow economically would go a tremendous way in quelling the militants. After all, the unemployoment rate in the Palestinian territories is over 50-percent. I'm repeating myself, but for too long Arab governments have oppressed the Palestinians for their own political goals.

 

[Geekbabe]

<< Baffled

Ignoring the economic apsect would be the graviest of grave mistakes.

Helping the Palestinians to grow econmomically would go a tremendous way in quelling the militants. After all, the unemployoment rate in the Palestinian territories is over 50-percent. I'm repeating myself, but for too long Arab governments have oppressed the Palestinians for their own political goals. >>



I'm not suggesting that the economic aspects of the situation be ignored. What I am saying is that trying to strong arm the larger Arb/muslim community into placating and policing Palestine is sort of like having the fox guard the hen house.


Also, you cannot get to a place where economic rehabilitation is useful in a war torn country till the people in question feel their war is over, which the Palestinians clearly don't.

 

[Random Variable]

<< I'm not suggesting that the economic aspects of the situation be ignored. What I am saying is that trying to strong arm the larger Arb/muslim community into placating and policing Palestine is sort of like having the fox guard the hen house. >>


You are completely missing the point of my argument. The Arab governments are responsible for the plight of the Palestinian people. They are to blame.

 

[Texmaster]

<< I'm not suggesting that the economic aspects of the situation be ignored. What I am saying is that trying to strong arm the larger Arb/muslim community into placating and policing Palestine is sort of like having the fox guard the hen house. >>

What else is left? Their own leader is not only aware but is active in sending sucide bombers to kill Israelie civilians. I would much prefer forcing the people of that region to take care of their own than to put in US troops and stir up more anger against the US.



<< Also, you cannot get to a place where economic rehabilitation is useful in a war torn country till the people in question feel their war is over, which the Palestinians clearly don't. >>



And when do you think they will feel its over? They have already turned down a treaty for their own country.

You are fooling yourself if you believe that the vast majority wont be actively undermining an Israelie state any chance they get with or without a state of their own.

 

[Geekbabe]

<<

<< I'm not suggesting that the economic aspects of the situation be ignored. What I am saying is that trying to strong arm the larger Arb/muslim community into placating and policing Palestine is sort of like having the fox guard the hen house. >>


You are completely missing the point of my argument. The Arab governments are responsible for the plight of the Palestinian people. They are to blame. >>



I'm not disagreeing with you, what I am saying is that from the perspective of US interests, trying to strong arm the larger Arab community into dealing with the Palestinian situation could be quite costly to us in more ways than one,particularly if we
do not maintane an in charge ,overseerer role in the process.

 

[Texmaster]

<< I'm not disagreeing with you, what I am saying is that from the perspective of US interests, trying to strong arm the larger Arab community into dealing with the Palestinian situation could be quite costly to us in more ways than one. >>




You have already said that. How exactly is it a worse idea for Arabs to take care of an Arab problem than the US stepping in?