Arabs turn against 'megalomaniac' Hamas

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Aimster
NOBODY CARES FOR THE PALESTINIANS. THEY ACT LIKE MONSTERS

I have to say I have not met many Palestinians, but I do know a Lebanese girl pretty well, and she's an extemely nice person. Not a monster at all. You people need to realise that those who live outside the United States are human beings too, just like you, and 99% of them are completely normal. Generalizations like this help nobody.

 

[nx6100]

Nop, I am from U.A.E

keird, I teach my kids to love others, but I show them the massacre. Truly I did it.

Aimster, Israel lost the war In libanon. The goals was "termination of Hizbullah" and they didn't
The results 2006 war:
1- More hateness in Arabs/Muslims heart.
2- Increasing in desirableness of revenge.
3- Hizbullah now are stronger than before 2006 war.
Israel didn't hit the goal of termination of Hisbullah.

Also the Goal of Afganstan invation was termination of AlQaidah and they missed their goal.

 

[Duwelon]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nx6100
Thank Atheus
You know It is hard when you find your friend hardly crying like a kid, then I try to calm him down he shout "I Lost my brother, his wife and 2 kids". Sure you won't say "ha ha ha, I thought you were joking" at least you will hug him. And then when you set with him and listen to some guys says "hay it was wonderful day, 200 people targeted and killid" What would he say? he might jump on them and kicked him. This what is happening now.

But How old are they? if the are younger than 30's I would say "yeah it is my mistake to talk with them" because I thought 30 years is more that enough to understanding what is going in this world.

Other thing, after more than million killed in Iraq Mr. George W.B says "I made a mistakes", he couldn't stop terrorism in Iraq, actually he brought the terrorism to Iraq. Alqaidah wasn't in Iraq before. It arrived after the invition.

Atheus, one of my best friend is an English teacher, He is from U.K. he lived for 1 year in U.A.E, but 4 months was enough for him to change his thought about us. He loved my country and living in it. western people are very nice. But a lot of them judging us far away and thought FOX-SKYnews.

Anyway thanks for your nice way of talk.

Indeed, our views of the middle east are distorted by the media, just as your view of us is similarly distorted. Only through actually talking to eachother can these things be resolved.

I am interested - where are you? Can you confirm you are in Palestine right now?

THere is no Palestine, there never was a palestine. Palestine is wishful thinking by a group of monsters who are hellbent on using violence to advance their agenda. Everyone knows today what is meant by palestine, but as a real place among the nations, like Israel, it doesn't exist. When you say "Palestine", you give away your bias to the people who live in Israel. At least call it Gaza, or Israel.

 

[keird]

Originally posted by: nx6100
Nop, I am from U.A.E

keird, I teach my kids to love others, but I show them the massacre. Truly I did it.

Aimster, Israel lost the war In libanon. The goals was "termination of Hizbullah" and they didn't
The results 2006 war:
1- More hateness in Arabs/Muslims heart.
2- Increasing in desirableness of revenge.
3- Hizbullah now are stronger than before 2006 war.
Israel didn't hit the goal of termination of Hisbullah.

Also the Goal of Afganstan invation was termination of AlQaidah and they missed their goal.

That's okay. The Caliphate hasn't been restored in over 600 years. We know that the Arab world can sympathize with failure.

 

[nx6100]

Atheus just visit U.A.E, and you will be in my hospitableness. I'am sure you will like how people act with people from other countries.

Guys, the war isn't between Israel and Hamas, it is between Gaza people who are leaded by Hamas (as they choose by their people) and (Hosni Mobarak government, Israel government and Saudi government) and people think U.S. are supporting the war logistically.
Most of the nations in ME think this.

I am sorry to say that some guys here are racialist. Don't say there are no Palestainian. They are more tan 10 Millions. Most of them still believes that they will back to their home land. And we are supporting them. I am from U.A.E, but I teach my kids that one of the goals they have to live for is to help the palestainians to get their rights fully.

I'am sorry I have to take rest. Time to sleep.
I hope some guys will be nicer

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nx6100
Thank Atheus
You know It is hard when you find your friend hardly crying like a kid, then I try to calm him down he shout "I Lost my brother, his wife and 2 kids". Sure you won't say "ha ha ha, I thought you were joking" at least you will hug him. And then when you set with him and listen to some guys says "hay it was wonderful day, 200 people targeted and killid" What would he say? he might jump on them and kicked him. This what is happening now.

But How old are they? if the are younger than 30's I would say "yeah it is my mistake to talk with them" because I thought 30 years is more that enough to understanding what is going in this world.

Other thing, after more than million killed in Iraq Mr. George W.B says "I made a mistakes", he couldn't stop terrorism in Iraq, actually he brought the terrorism to Iraq. Alqaidah wasn't in Iraq before. It arrived after the invition.

Atheus, one of my best friend is an English teacher, He is from U.K. he lived for 1 year in U.A.E, but 4 months was enough for him to change his thought about us. He loved my country and living in it. western people are very nice. But a lot of them judging us far away and thought FOX-SKYnews.

Anyway thanks for your nice way of talk.

Indeed, our views of the middle east are distorted by the media, just as your view of us is similarly distorted. Only through actually talking to eachother can these things be resolved.

I am interested - where are you? Can you confirm you are in Palestine right now?

THere is no Palestine, there never was a palestine. Palestine is wishful thinking by a group of monsters who are hellbent on using violence to advance their agenda. Everyone knows today what is meant by palestine, but as a real place among the nations, like Israel, it doesn't exist. When you say "Palestine", you give away your bias to the people who live in Israel. At least call it Gaza, or Israel.

Palestine refers to an area in the middle east, and has referred to that area for hundreds of years, regardless of it's current non-status as a country. In fact, you're doubly wrong, since there WAS once a country called Palestine which was marked out by the British Empire and ruled by them for decades.

I was going to write 'the disputed territories normally referred to as Palestine' but the poor guy is out of his depth with English language here anyway.

/edit: and BTW, I think a lot of non-monsterous (lol) people wish there was now a state called Palestine, and one of those people is me. In that sense I am biased, yes indeed, but that doesn't mean I want either side to 'win', I just want them both to calm down a bit. Why can't they all live together?... don't answer that...

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Aimster
NOBODY CARES FOR THE PALESTINIANS. THEY ACT LIKE MONSTERS

I have to say I have not met many Palestinians, but I do know a Lebanese girl pretty well, and she's an extemely nice person. Not a monster at all. You people need to realise that those who live outside the United States are human beings too, just like you, and 99% of them are completely normal. Generalizations like this help nobody.

Lebanese is different from Palestinian.
Big time

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Aimster
NOBODY CARES FOR THE PALESTINIANS. THEY ACT LIKE MONSTERS

I have to say I have not met many Palestinians, but I do know a Lebanese girl pretty well, and she's an extemely nice person. Not a monster at all. You people need to realise that those who live outside the United States are human beings too, just like you, and 99% of them are completely normal. Generalizations like this help nobody.

Lebanese is different from Palestinian.
Big time

Well Lebanon is a proper country and Palestine is not but they both get bombed by the Israelis and they both have radical militant Islamist factions. I guess the main difference is that when Lebanon is attacked they all just leave the country (many come here) wheres the Palestinians just have to sit there in holes in the ground and get more and more angry.

 

[Aimster]

I shouldn't have said Palestinians act like monsters because that implies they all act like monsters.

But there is a huge difference between Hezbollah and Hamas. Hezbollah lives side-by-side with Christians. Half of Lebanon is Christian. Their tactics have been to attack Israeli soldiers. When Israel attacks their country outside of Hezbollah fighters then Hezbollah fires rockets. When Israel stops their invasion/attack on the nation of Lebanon then Hezbollah stops firing their rockets.

Hamas. This is a group that doesn't just target Israeli soldiers. In fact this is the group that sends suicide bombers into Israel to blow up buses. Their mission is to kill non-Muslims. They cannot live side-by-side with anyone that is not a Muslim. They teach their kids to kill Jews and Christians.
They continue to fire rockets into Israel. Israel is not attacking them so why are they firing rockets into that nation? The conflict with Hezbollah started as a result of Hezbollah fighters versus Israeli troops. The conflict with Hamas started as a result of Hamas versus Israeli citizens. Hamas declared war on innocent people.

Lebanon is a nation where women walk the streets in booty shorts. Muslims don't go around smacking them.
In Hamas controlled Palestine I wonder what would happen to a woman if she went out in a tank-top.

& this is off-topic but Lebanese women are hot. Why is she just a friend? tsk tsk.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nx6100
Thank Atheus
You know It is hard when you find your friend hardly crying like a kid, then I try to calm him down he shout "I Lost my brother, his wife and 2 kids". Sure you won't say "ha ha ha, I thought you were joking" at least you will hug him. And then when you set with him and listen to some guys says "hay it was wonderful day, 200 people targeted and killid" What would he say? he might jump on them and kicked him. This what is happening now.

But How old are they? if the are younger than 30's I would say "yeah it is my mistake to talk with them" because I thought 30 years is more that enough to understanding what is going in this world.

Other thing, after more than million killed in Iraq Mr. George W.B says "I made a mistakes", he couldn't stop terrorism in Iraq, actually he brought the terrorism to Iraq. Alqaidah wasn't in Iraq before. It arrived after the invition.

Atheus, one of my best friend is an English teacher, He is from U.K. he lived for 1 year in U.A.E, but 4 months was enough for him to change his thought about us. He loved my country and living in it. western people are very nice. But a lot of them judging us far away and thought FOX-SKYnews.

Anyway thanks for your nice way of talk.

Indeed, our views of the middle east are distorted by the media, just as your view of us is similarly distorted. Only through actually talking to eachother can these things be resolved.

I am interested - where are you? Can you confirm you are in Palestine right now?

THere is no Palestine, there never was a palestine. Palestine is wishful thinking by a group of monsters who are hellbent on using violence to advance their agenda. Everyone knows today what is meant by palestine, but as a real place among the nations, like Israel, it doesn't exist. When you say "Palestine", you give away your bias to the people who live in Israel. At least call it Gaza, or Israel.

Palestine refers to an area in the middle east, and has referred to that area for hundreds of years, regardless of it's current non-status as a country. In fact, you're doubly wrong, since there WAS once a country called Palestine which was marked out by the British Empire and ruled by them for decades.

I was going to write 'the disputed territories normally referred to as Palestine' but the poor guy is out of his depth with English language here anyway.

/edit: and BTW, I think a lot of non-monsterous (lol) people wish there was now a state called Palestine, and one of those people is me. In that sense I am biased, yes indeed, but that doesn't mean I want either side to 'win', I just want them both to calm down a bit. Why can't they all live together?... don't answer that...

George Bush called for a two state solution! He must be a monster.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: Duwelon

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: nx6100
Thank Atheus
You know It is hard when you find your friend hardly crying like a kid, then I try to calm him down he shout "I Lost my brother, his wife and 2 kids". Sure you won't say "ha ha ha, I thought you were joking" at least you will hug him. And then when you set with him and listen to some guys says "hay it was wonderful day, 200 people targeted and killid" What would he say? he might jump on them and kicked him. This what is happening now.

But How old are they? if the are younger than 30's I would say "yeah it is my mistake to talk with them" because I thought 30 years is more that enough to understanding what is going in this world.

Other thing, after more than million killed in Iraq Mr. George W.B says "I made a mistakes", he couldn't stop terrorism in Iraq, actually he brought the terrorism to Iraq. Alqaidah wasn't in Iraq before. It arrived after the invition.

Atheus, one of my best friend is an English teacher, He is from U.K. he lived for 1 year in U.A.E, but 4 months was enough for him to change his thought about us. He loved my country and living in it. western people are very nice. But a lot of them judging us far away and thought FOX-SKYnews.

Anyway thanks for your nice way of talk.

Indeed, our views of the middle east are distorted by the media, just as your view of us is similarly distorted. Only through actually talking to eachother can these things be resolved.

I am interested - where are you? Can you confirm you are in Palestine right now?

THere is no Palestine, there never was a palestine. Palestine is wishful thinking by a group of monsters who are hellbent on using violence to advance their agenda. Everyone knows today what is meant by palestine, but as a real place among the nations, like Israel, it doesn't exist. When you say "Palestine", you give away your bias to the people who live in Israel. At least call it Gaza, or Israel.

Palestine refers to an area in the middle east, and has referred to that area for hundreds of years, regardless of it's current non-status as a country. In fact, you're doubly wrong, since there WAS once a country called Palestine which was marked out by the British Empire and ruled by them for decades.

I was going to write 'the disputed territories normally referred to as Palestine' but the poor guy is out of his depth with English language here anyway.

/edit: and BTW, I think a lot of non-monsterous (lol) people wish there was now a state called Palestine, and one of those people is me. In that sense I am biased, yes indeed, but that doesn't mean I want either side to 'win', I just want them both to calm down a bit. Why can't they all live together?... don't answer that...

George Bush called for a two state solution! He must be a monster.

Many would like a two state solutions.

One of those state does not.

Therefore how can you have a two state solution.

And the governemnt of a state MUST accept the responsibilites of securing its citizens. If it can not or will not, then it should be replaced.

 

[Lemon law]

Well, I must say, Common Courtesy asked the right questions, but then managed to come up with all the wrong answers in saying, " Many would like a two state solutions.

One of those state does not.

Therefore how can you have a two state solution.

And the governemnt of a state MUST accept the responsibilites of securing its citizens. If it can not or will not, then it should be replaced.
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Personally, I think those are all the wrong answers. (1) There was nothing wrong with creating a State of Israel, the mistake was not, at the same time, creating a State of Palestine, or demanding that Israel assimilate with equal rights the Palestinians. The only giant mistake is what we have which is unacceptable. (2) The second mistake we made is that Palestinians and Israelis will be able to make peace, especially when Israel has taken the bulk of the land and has the military hegemony. And in that case, we need binding third party arbitration based on what was a fair division in 1948, with both a Palestinian and Israeli State that must live in their borders, and other military powers will insure they live within those borders on a like it or lump it basis. And the government of the Palestinian people has also failed to secure the rights of its people, and why, in a nutshell, Fatah was replaced by Hamas.

The question is, by totally over reacting, killing 425 Palestinians to avenge a whole 4 Israeli citizens killed by missiles from Gaza, is Israel protecting its citizens by building Arab anger and world condemnation to the point where the State of Israel cannot be sustained?

Just as in Lebanon 30 months ago, Israel is not any safer and terrorists rather than Israeli support is what is growing. The USA may be almost the lone anomaly Island of Israeli support left, and the press is a tricky thing, Israeli could lose even US support by over reacting.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well, I must say, Common Courtesy asked the right questions, but then managed to come up with all the wrong answers in saying, " Many would like a two state solutions.

One of those state does not.

Therefore how can you have a two state solution.

And the governemnt of a state MUST accept the responsibilites of securing its citizens. If it can not or will not, then it should be replaced.
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Personally, I think those are all the wrong answers. (1) There was nothing wrong with creating a State of Israel, the mistake was not, at the same time, creating a State of Palestine, or demanding that Israel assimilate with equal rights the Palestinians. The only giant mistake is what we have which is unacceptable.
The Arabs did not want a state for the Palestinians nor did the Arab Palestinians ask for a state
(2) The second mistake we made is that Palestinians and Israelis will be able to make peace, especially when Israel has taken the bulk of the land and has the military hegemony. And in that case, we need binding third party arbitration based on what was a fair division in 1948, with both a Palestinian and Israeli State that must live in their borders, and other military powers will insure they live within those borders on a like it or lump it basis. And the government of the Palestinian people has also failed to secure the rights of its people, and why, in a nutshell, Fatah was replaced by Hamas.

The question is, by totally over reacting, killing 425 Palestinians to avenge a whole 4 Israeli citizens killed by missiles from Gaza, is Israel protecting its citizens by building Arab anger and world condemnation to the point where the State of Israel cannot be sustained?
The Anger of the Arab world means nothing to Israel. You do not see Jordan or Egypt (those who are closely affected by the issue condemming).

Israel wants either Hamas destroyed as a militant group or to accept the responbility of a government. As long as Hamas wants to wage war using what ever means it desires, then Israel should not be held back from doing the same.

The size of the military should not matter, it has not mattered from the Arabs POV from '48 through '73.

Just as in Lebanon 30 months ago, Israel is not any safer and terrorists rather than Israeli support is what is growing. The USA may be almost the lone anomaly Island of Israeli support left, and the press is a tricky thing, Israeli could lose even US support by over reacting.
As long as Hamas continues to poke and break the truces/promises, the US is not going to drop the support for Israel. When Israel actually TARGETS civilians, then it becomes a different story. Hamas playing the injured party is not going to fly for the majority of the US and/or the world. The evidence is to daming that they are the ones starting the incidents.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: keird

Sheikh Nizar Rayyan, 52, a senior Hamas leader and cleric, was killed along with several others on Thursday when an IAF aircraft dropped a bomb on the eight-story Jabalya apartment building he lived in, the IDF said.

According to Palestinian sources, his family was warned before the attack but did not leave the building, Army Radio reported.

link

Hamas hides with their family? Was it the family's decision to stay despite the warning or just his? Hamas needs innocents to die.

What I bolded in the quote you presented says he was at home. Further in the article also says was a teacher at the at the Islamic University in Gaza City. Where did you see hiding in this?

I'm still hopping for a response to my question here, bolded above. And any acknloagment to the rest of my previous reply to you would be wonderful as well.

 

[keird]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: keird

Sheikh Nizar Rayyan, 52, a senior Hamas leader and cleric, was killed along with several others on Thursday when an IAF aircraft dropped a bomb on the eight-story Jabalya apartment building he lived in, the IDF said.

According to Palestinian sources, his family was warned before the attack but did not leave the building, Army Radio reported.

link

Hamas hides with their family? Was it the family's decision to stay despite the warning or just his? Hamas needs innocents to die.

What I bolded in the quote you presented says he was at home. Further in the article also says was a teacher at the at the Islamic University in Gaza City. Where did you see hiding in this?

I'm still hopping for a response to my question here, bolded above. And any acknloagment to the rest of my previous reply to you would be wonderful as well.

Are you? Would it.

 

[kylebisme]

Your responce reminds me of a song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1Yl90bvVnk&fmt=21

the grudge ?

Wear the grudge like a crown of negativity.
Calculate what we will or will not tolerate.
Desperate to control all and everything.
Unable to forgive your scarlet lettermen.

Clutch it like a cornerstone. Otherwise it all comes down.
Justify denials and grip 'em to the lonesome end.
Clutch it like a cornerstone. Otherwise it all comes down.
Terrified of being wrong. Ultimatum prison cell.

Saturn ascends, choose one or ten. Hang on or be humbled again.

Clutch it like a cornerstone. Otherwise it all comes down.
Justify denials and grip 'em to the lonesome end.
Saturn ascends, comes round again.
Saturn ascends, the one, the ten. Ignorant to the damage done.

Wear the grudge like a crown of negativity.
Calculate what we will or will not tolerate.
Desperate to control all and everything.
Unable to forgive your scarlet lettermen.

Wear the grudge like a crown. Desperate to control.
Unable to forgive. And we're sinking deeper.

Defining, confining, controlling, and we're sinking deeper.

Saturn comes back around to show you everything
Let's you choose what you will not see and then
Drags you down like a stone or lifts you up again
Spits you out like a child, light and innocent.

Saturn comes back around. Lifts you up like a child or
Drags you down like a stone
To consume you till you choose to let this go.

Give away the stone.
Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor.
Give away the stone.
Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold.
Let go.

http://toolshed.down.net/lyrics/lateraluslyrics.php