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Apt-get for RedHat Linux

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I don't know, but this is probably old news for most RH users, but I've only been using RH 8 for about a week now. I was very frustrated trying to find RPMs over the internet and it seems to me that the package manager that comes with Redhat is a POS. After experiancing the pleasently wonderful apt-get system in Debian, Gentoo's amazing portage system, and OpenBSD's ports I found RedHat's solution seriously lacking.

But I found a port of debian's apt-get that has been modified to grab rpms instead of of dpkgs. It was originally created by Conectiva but it works well with Redhat... This combined with a graphical interface called synaptic, (sort of graphical equivilent of dselect) it is realy nice to use.

You just goto Freshmeat and get the apt-get package...

install that then run

apt-get install synaptic

(note you must be root or it will complain about not getting a lock on a file...)

then synaptic should be in the system settings folder....

hope someone finds this usefull
 
I'm not trying to flame or anything, but if you're going to take one of the main things that differentiates Debian and Red Hat, apt-get, and put it into RH, what's the point of installing RH in the first place?

**Disclaimer-I haven't used RH since version 5.2

 
I've had good luck with Redhat's up2date. Run it on a server at work.

Haven't really used Debian that much, so maybe I'm missing something.
 
Originally posted by: Chaotic42
I'm not trying to flame or anything, but if you're going to take one of the main things that differentiates Debian and Red Hat, apt-get, and put it into RH, what's the point of installing RH in the first place?
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Nice configuration out-of-the-box, easier install, easier configuration (arguable), more recent software without having to understand the details of the Debian release structure.

They both have their place, to be sure. But, like Drag, I tried apt-get/synaptic on RH recently and it's a revelation.

 
In case you promise not to tell anybody..

I just <downgraded> from Debian Woody to Mandrake 9.0 for certain reasons. The first thing I missed was apt-get..

apt-rpm sucks
 
Originally posted by: civad
In case you promise not to tell anybody..

I just <downgraded> from Debian Woody to Mandrake 9.0 for certain reasons. The first thing I missed was apt-get..

apt-rpm sucks
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I feel for you 😉. I just <upgraded> from Mandrake 9 to debian and the first thing I noticed was apt-get.

apt-get rulezzz@!!!!!! 😀
 
hey.. ya know RH users can now taste what it's like to have apt-get...

And why not? Even though RH is a bit bloated and their packages system is a bit backwards, there are some good qualities and they are making progress, and that benifits everyone, eventually the bad stuff will fall away and RH is aiming for a audiance that completely different then debian or BSDs. So of course it's going to have things you don't like, but thats just the way it works. If it aimed for the same audiance as debian there wouldn't be much point to RH would there?

But anyways Slackware is my personal choice for a OS and it's package system is pretty much nonexistent compared to gentoo or debian.
 
Personally I have nothing against Redhat or other rpm-based distros (I started with RH 6.2, and, as I mentioned earlier, I have reverted to MAndrake recently).
However, the thing is that apt for RH (or other rpm-based distros) is still in infancy. Its not a bad thing to have around, but there arent too many sources for apt for RH yet. Again, there are distro-specific sources, so chances are that adding apt source for Mandrake 9.0 will not be of much use for RH 8.0. This is in contrast to Debian apt sources, where one can add say xandros' sources on a Libranet system.

However, reading the apt4rpm FAQ, one gets the feeling that the so-called 'rpm-hellhole' can be avoided in many instances using apt.

But then again....

**Btw: I read that Slackware 9.0 will have something known as autopackager; which is supposed to be similar to apt...???
 
Originally posted by: civad
**Btw: I read that Slackware 9.0 will have something known as autopackager; which is supposed to be similar to apt...???
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Thats neat, can anyone confirm this?
If they do (and its as good as apt-get) then I would, *knock on wood*, probably switch.

EDIT: But I wasn't finished yet.....
 
slackware package handling program is actually pretty neat. It's simple, efficient and does it's job without to much ado. But it lacks nicetties such as dependances and a diverse large database of packages..

But if you stick with the slackware tarball package system it works well. Plus you can upgrade stuff, many people have actually written there own package handleing shell scripts that keep track of changes and allow easy upgrades... some of them use wget to pull down from ftp sites ala apt-get, some just depend on the cdroms... It's all very individualistic... Such is the power of Slack. Maybe you are thinking of one of those user-developed package managment tools, or maybe SLackware decided to adopt a design into a the main package utilities, I haven't heard about it though...

There is a website formally known as linuxmafia. They are all about SLackware.

I just can't wait for SLack 9.0 to come out! I am just dawdling around with RedHat right now until that comes out, so that I am familar with some of it's aspects. Which is why I have XP on it, too. Don't want to fall to far behind on the whole diverse knowledge thing, ya know?

Boy I just installed RH 8 on my parents machine... 800mhz with 128MB, and boy it is a dog, you guys were right... Should be pretty quick on that hardware. kinda felt sorry for inflicting it on them(,almost 🙂 ) Oh well. Maybe I should have them use KDE. seems more responsive. Ya and whatever you do don't use the NVIDIA driver RPMS, screwing around with them almost broke the system....

Is mandrake pretty quick? I want something a novice can use without having me too help them out any since I am never around...
 
If its set up right, mandrake can be fast, dependable, and stable. Its extremely windows like so your parents shouldn't have any problems working their way around it. Honestly though, I think that you should try them both out and see which one seems to be the easiest. I haven't really used mandrake 9 a lot (actually I've only had it running for about 15 minutes), but I've had tons of experience fiddling around with mandrake. Basically though, as long as its set up with the basic apps and a few windows compatibility items Mandrake should be a perfect fit (sans the betas).
 
Thats neat, can anyone confirm this?
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I thought I had read abt it on OSNews yesterday... cannot seem to find it now.

Btw: Vector Linux (based on slack) has a tool known as vec-get which is similar to apt.

getting tempted to try...
 
Originally posted by: civad
Thats neat, can anyone confirm this?
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I thought I had read abt it on OSNews yesterday... cannot seem to find it now.

Btw: Vector Linux (based on slack) has a tool known as vec-get which is similar to apt.

getting tempted to try...
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If you do try it be sure to post something. I would, but then I'm getting kind of tired of formatting and partitioning.
 
Actually thats my problem too..

I dont want tro re-format/ re-partition my HDD for the nth time.

I tried using Topologilinux which is based on slack and one doesnt have to format the drive : the installation program foir topologilinux does it for you. Tried to look for either autopkg or vec-get on Vectorlinux ftp site.

Could not find it. I DO know that VL3.0 has vec-get.
 
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