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Apple's Panther patches security of former OS's
- Thread starter dnuggett
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Quote from the article: "@Stake has advised Mac users to upgrade to the latest Apple operating system, which is not vulnerable to the flaws. The operating system, OS X 10.3, or Panther, is priced at $129. "
Quote from title "Apple's Panther full of holes that comprmise security"
Did the original poster even read the article?
Quote from title "Apple's Panther full of holes that comprmise security"
Did the original poster even read the article?
PowerMacG5
Diamond Member
I am no apple hater (I own an iPod), and I don't personally own an apple laptop or tower, but does apple release free security patches like Microsoft? From my point of view, OSX.1, .2, and now .3 seem like SP1, SP2, SP3 for Windows 2000. Is my analogy correct, far off, or not too far off?
Kadarin
Lifer
Apple has its own update feature, which will allow you to download free security updates, along with various free enhancements and upgrades to bundled applications. The upgrade from 10.2 to 10.3 could be considered analagous to the upgrade from Win98 SE to WinME (with the obvious difference that WinME is a steaming pile of excrement not worth the term "upgrade", whereas OSX 10.3 is a legitimate and real improvement over 10.2).
The real issue at hand seems to be the amount of time that Apple will continue support for an OS release. Microsoft continues support for 5 years. With Apple stating that they intend to roll out a new version of OS X every year what is their commitment time wise to previous versions?
Barnaby W. Füi
Elite Member
That's pretty crappy, if the situation really is how that article paints it to be. I want to get an ibook in the not too horribly distant future (hopefully), and I'd hate to be forced to either pay $130 or be vulnerable. Oh well, I doubt I'll use OSX most of the time anyways 😉
Barnaby W. Füi
Elite Member
What do you mean by "support"? I don't game.
edit: And it always baffles me why people still link ppc linux to yellow dog. Every popular distro runs fine (afaik) on ppc.
Ya that's a bunch of crap if Apple doesn't fix it in older versions. They probably will, but they won't patch stuff like 10.2.8 they will simply offer a update like to 10.2.9 or something.
Maybe these things were fixed in the 10.2.8 update. The first 10.2.8 they botched and they pulled it. Now since then they re-released 10.2.8 update.
I looked thru the security advisories from @stake. One of them Apple can't do anything about, when installing programs the installer sometimes changes the permissions of random system files and stuff to facilitate the functioning of the OS. This is a big no-no, but apple doesn't have any control over that. It's something that REALY pissed me off.
The other ones were about average security flaws. Not a issue if your just running your OS X as a home user and require some special setup's on your part to make you vunerable. Coporate usage could be a issue, since you can't trust everybody who uses your computer.
They all require user shell access to your computer to get root, it's not a remote (potentially automated attacks) things like windows suffer from. Meaning that there can't be any widespead worms for this. So if you allow anonymous shell logins from the internet you can expect to get hacked. 😛
The main one to worry about for remote attacks is the kernel crash from far too-long command line. If you have some sort of automated connection to a server out on the internet, somebody could do (for instance) a man in the middle attack and send super-long aurguements.
As far as normal security patches, in order to update your computer you go to system tools and there is a update tool.
Click on one button it searchs apples update stuff for new updates. If you want the update to install you check it, and then press update and then agree to liscencing crap and it installs it on your computer.
You can also download updates in the form of apple's package files. Including 10.2.x, 10.1.x incrementally numbered updates, however large number updates require the purchase.
Using these package files and Remote Desktop ($) I litterally have installed 6-7 updates on over 100 OS X computers in under 15 minutes. Download the updates, turn on remote desktop, select all the computers you want updated, select updates, deploy updates, reboot them remotely. Pretty slick stuff.
edit: It gives you a sense of power when you press a single mouse click and you see a entire lab room of 50-60 Mac's wink off then back on one by one.
Maybe these things were fixed in the 10.2.8 update. The first 10.2.8 they botched and they pulled it. Now since then they re-released 10.2.8 update.
I looked thru the security advisories from @stake. One of them Apple can't do anything about, when installing programs the installer sometimes changes the permissions of random system files and stuff to facilitate the functioning of the OS. This is a big no-no, but apple doesn't have any control over that. It's something that REALY pissed me off.
The other ones were about average security flaws. Not a issue if your just running your OS X as a home user and require some special setup's on your part to make you vunerable. Coporate usage could be a issue, since you can't trust everybody who uses your computer.
They all require user shell access to your computer to get root, it's not a remote (potentially automated attacks) things like windows suffer from. Meaning that there can't be any widespead worms for this. So if you allow anonymous shell logins from the internet you can expect to get hacked. 😛
The main one to worry about for remote attacks is the kernel crash from far too-long command line. If you have some sort of automated connection to a server out on the internet, somebody could do (for instance) a man in the middle attack and send super-long aurguements.
As far as normal security patches, in order to update your computer you go to system tools and there is a update tool.
Click on one button it searchs apples update stuff for new updates. If you want the update to install you check it, and then press update and then agree to liscencing crap and it installs it on your computer.
You can also download updates in the form of apple's package files. Including 10.2.x, 10.1.x incrementally numbered updates, however large number updates require the purchase.
Using these package files and Remote Desktop ($) I litterally have installed 6-7 updates on over 100 OS X computers in under 15 minutes. Download the updates, turn on remote desktop, select all the computers you want updated, select updates, deploy updates, reboot them remotely. Pretty slick stuff.
edit: It gives you a sense of power when you press a single mouse click and you see a entire lab room of 50-60 Mac's wink off then back on one by one.
True dat, but that's what yellow dog speciallizes in. You can go to Yellowdog's website and purchase Apple computers with Linux preinstalled on them. (although the prices lag behind Apple's when they change.
The support for video in the G4's varies, but from what I understand the ibooks and maybe powerbooks are very well supported.
So do I. The IBook value ROCKS. With my student discount I can get the 12 inch 800mhz model for $999. 🙂
The cheapest dell is $800 and you get the 2.0ghz celeron. But the 2.0ghz celeron realy isn't all that much, its VERY inefficiant, but it still has a edge over the G4.
The big difference is that you get the ATI Mobile Radeon 9200 with 32megs of ddr ram. The Dell has the Intel Graphics Extreme (sucks extreme) with shared main memory.
12 inch vs 14 inch display I don't care much about. 30gig HD/combo drive for Ibook vs 20Gig (+$30 for 30gig)/DVD drive, big whoop.
IBook probably is better built though. Plus I get to dual boot Linux and OS 10.3. Also run OS X inside of Linux. WinXP liscence is something I respect about as much as my 50,000 free hours from AOL. Also get a free copy of Tony Hawk Pro skater 4 with the Apple. 😛
Barnaby W. Füi
Elite Member
Ah yeah, forgot about maconlinux. It was actually 949 w/ edu discount last I checked. 🙂 The 12 inch display isn't a huge deal because it's 1024x768 anyways, so you don't actually lose any desktop space. I like how the ibook is built too, just seems to have a nice feel to it overall. Only thing that I'll have to figure out is how to work around only having one mouse button. 🙂
And being able to run osx is a big reason for me too. Then I can enjoy all of those things I miss out on, like java applets and shockwave ads. 😉 I don't think I could deal with it as my primary OS though.
the $949 dollar comes only with only 128 megs and a regular cd drive. 50 bucks for 128 megs more of ram and a dvd drive is good enough for me.
The one button mouse thing is kinda retarded, but you use keyboard shortcuts for most everything, which macs are realy good at, so it kinda makes up for it. Knowing the hundreds of obscure and undocumented keyboard short cuts are a sign of a True Mac Guru(tm).
Anyways you can use multi button mouses in OS X. They just don't provide that normally because change scares Mac users.
The one button mouse thing is kinda retarded, but you use keyboard shortcuts for most everything, which macs are realy good at, so it kinda makes up for it. Knowing the hundreds of obscure and undocumented keyboard short cuts are a sign of a True Mac Guru(tm).
Anyways you can use multi button mouses in OS X. They just don't provide that normally because change scares Mac users.
Barnaby W. Füi
Elite Member
I imagine I'll be using linux on it more than OSX, and mouse buttons matter a ton to me in X (I use them for raising and lowering windows, pasting, resizing windows, etc). And being able to use a different mouse doesn't help much on a laptop.
Oh, I like to use a mouse when I use a laptop. They make these little ones you can carry easy, but I understand; not always usefull..
Maybe you can sacrifice a couple buttons on your keyboard and map them to the second and third buttons... maybe not. :/
edit. heh, learn here how one button mouse is REALY faster then a 2 button mouse. 😛. You see, you only think that your going faster then using menus, because you have to stop and think about using the 2nd button, instead of just going automaticly to menus. As humans a 2 button mouse is something that we are intellectually incapable of using properly. I guess us 3-button users are realy slow compared to mac users. 😛
Maybe you can sacrifice a couple buttons on your keyboard and map them to the second and third buttons... maybe not. :/
edit. heh, learn here how one button mouse is REALY faster then a 2 button mouse. 😛. You see, you only think that your going faster then using menus, because you have to stop and think about using the 2nd button, instead of just going automaticly to menus. As humans a 2 button mouse is something that we are intellectually incapable of using properly. I guess us 3-button users are realy slow compared to mac users. 😛
1. Duh, having more than one way to do things confuses stupid users. Mac users usually complain that windows offers to many ways to do things. If I right-click, I don't WANT the same options as when I left click - that's a waste of menu space. And of course, usualy stuff in the right-click menu are available in menus up top...
2. This guy is on crack. I've never wondered which button does what... right-click ALWAYS brings up a context menu, left click selects text / clicks links / moves things, as expected.
That's similar to the expert paradox - the more you know about something, the slower you are to discriminate true/false facts about that thing. Except people become experts. Maybe that guy should cut off one of his hands so he doesn't have to ponder which hand to use to shift gears and which hand to steer with.
I don't miss keys nearly as often as I miss what I'm trying to click.
DUH! Note the "use rarely". It seems that this guy just tends to use the menus, so he's slow with shortcuts. Again, experts will know many of the shortcuts, so it's faster for them. Also, if I rarely use something, I'm going to have to poke around the menu to find it (e.g. superscript/subscript in MS Word... where is it? Who cares - the shortcut is ctrl+shift+plus. Even if that took me a whole second to remember, it's faster than poking around 9 menus searching).
... if you use it once a month, or once a year, does 1 second either way really matter that much anyway?
Maybe this guy is just too old. I've been using a mouse since... simcity2000, I guess. As a kid I built up my coordination with it and so on, whereas maybe this guy didn't learn until he was an adult. For people who don't have as much experience, maybe one button is better... an amature will be faster in an automatic, but a pro driving a stick is faster than a pro driving an automatic.
imported_Phil
Diamond Member
I agree, the guy who wrote that is on crack.
Remember kids, crack kills.
Remember kids, crack kills.
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