Apple's 30" LCD now cheaper than Dell's!!!

[JackBurton]

I can't believe this, Apple's 30" CD is now cheaper than Dell's 30" by ~$200! Who would have thought that an Apple product would be cheaper than a comparable Dell product. I was looking at the Dell 30" because is was cheaper, but now I think I'm going to get the Apple CD...but wait, does this mean Apple has a new display they are going to unleash on us any day now? A 37" would be even nicer.

Hope this isn't a repost.

 

[daniel1113]

Eh... I'm sure the Dell will receive a price cut soon putting it below the Apple model. Plus, if I remember correctly, isn't the Dell a superior panel in terms of tech specs?

 

[imported_goku]

Sure, and you get a lower quality screen at the same time. :beats drums; They did a review on this site and it basically said the apple screen was crappier, so why do people flock to these screens?

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: goku
Sure, and you get a lower quality screen at the same time. :beats drums; They did a review on this site and it basically said the apple screen was crappier, so why do people flock to these screens?

Um, no. Apple actually is now using the newer panel and is EXTREMELY nice. And as far as QA goes, I'd give it to Apple WAY over Dell. I actually prefer Apple's CD over Dell's.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: daniel1113
Eh... I'm sure the Dell will receive a price cut soon putting it below the Apple model. Plus, if I remember correctly, isn't the Dell a superior panel in terms of tech specs?

Actual panel wise, no.

Apple's 30" CD specs

Apple quietly boosted specifications...

Even after winning a shootout between the Apple Cinema Display and the Dell UltraSharp 3007WFP from Cnet, it has come to our attention that Apple has quietly boosted the specifications of the newly-crowned champ even further. The Cinema Display's brightness, which was originally 270 cd/m2, has now been upgraded to 400 cd/2. The screen's contrast ratio has also been bumped up from 400:1 to 700:1.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

So basically the myth that Apple products are extremely expensive has been busted. This monitor would look nice if I had the hardware, i.e. a Video Card, to support it.

 

[remagavon]

Apple support is terrible, and they only have a 14-day return policy (that you have to pay a restocking fee on) whereas you can get a Dell 30" for around $1750 with 3 year warranty and 30 day satisfaction guarantee on ebay from trusted sellers. The panels are identical, the apple just looks nicer. I just went through phone-support hell with Apple on a 23" Cinema display that I finally was able to return after it had been serviced twice, once without proper installation of the panel (they didn't screw it down all the way and it jiggled in the chassis).

I'd go for the dell unless you're buying a mac at the same time, then I'd get the Apple because you can get applecare to cover both for no additional charge (outside of the normal applecare fee). Apple support is pretty good if you get to the higher ups, but the low level tech support is really bad, just as bad as dell except you don't have the opportunity to return your product without a fee.

Edit: I would wager that Apple will also be announcing new displays within the next 12 months because Leopard is going to ship with resolution independence built in, which means that they can satisfy everyone by selling a higher dpi screen than the competition. I don't expect them to upgrade their interfaces though (i.e. to hdcp or the 2008 universal display connector standard-forget the name), because it would kill support for dual booting with Windows.

The new Mac Pro's are awesome though, and actually very cheap (I'm talking cheaper than you can build one, even without buying an OS) if you're a developer.

 

[daniel1113]

Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy
So basically the myth that Apple products are extremely expensive has been busted. This monitor would look nice if I had the hardware, i.e. a Video Card, to support it.

Cutting the price of 3 monitors doesn't disprove the "myth" that Apple products are overpriced in comparison to PC counterparts, sorry. Every other product is still more expensive. Now, whether or not the price is warranted or not can be debated.

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: daniel1113

Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy
So basically the myth that Apple products are extremely expensive has been busted. This monitor would look nice if I had the hardware, i.e. a Video Card, to support it.

Cutting the price of 3 monitors doesn't disprove the "myth" that Apple products are overpriced in comparison to PC counterparts, sorry. Every other product is still more expensive. Now, whether or not the price is warranted or not can be debated.

Find me a xeon system comparably priced to the Mac pro. The dells are literally like $500+ more, and the mac can do more. That as well as the Macbook are great deals compared with PC counterparts, the Macbook Pro and the iMac are fairly overpriced though.

 

[grant2]

Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy
So basically the myth that Apple products are extremely expensive has been busted. This monitor would look nice if I had the hardware, i.e. a Video Card, to support it.

Apple's been selling overpriced hardware for DECADES... just because they lower the price of one product suddenly you call the rest of hstory a "myth"?

Ok that's extreme fanaticism.

 

[Zinthar]

Originally posted by: remagavon
Apple support is terrible, and they only have a 14-day return policy (that you have to pay a restocking fee on) whereas you can get a Dell 30" for around $1750 with 3 year warranty and 30 day satisfaction guarantee on ebay from trusted sellers. The panels are identical, the apple just looks nicer. I just went through phone-support hell with Apple on a 23" Cinema display that I finally was able to return after it had been serviced twice, once without proper installation of the panel (they didn't screw it down all the way and it jiggled in the chassis).

I'd go for the dell unless you're buying a mac at the same time, then I'd get the Apple because you can get applecare to cover both for no additional charge (outside of the normal applecare fee). Apple support is pretty good if you get to the higher ups, but the low level tech support is really bad, just as bad as dell except you don't have the opportunity to return your product without a fee.

Edit: I would wager that Apple will also be announcing new displays within the next 12 months because Leopard is going to ship with resolution independence built in, which means that they can satisfy everyone by selling a higher dpi screen than the competition. I don't expect them to upgrade their interfaces though (i.e. to hdcp or the 2008 universal display connector standard-forget the name), because it would kill support for dual booting with Windows.

The new Mac Pro's are awesome though, and actually very cheap (I'm talking cheaper than you can build one, even without buying an OS) if you're a developer.

But if you live by an Apple store then you should definitely go for the Apple...if something goes wrong and needs to be replaced it usually can be done right on the spot.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: grant2

Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy
So basically the myth that Apple products are extremely expensive has been busted. This monitor would look nice if I had the hardware, i.e. a Video Card, to support it.

Apple's been selling overpriced hardware for DECADES... just because they lower the price of one product suddenly you call the rest of hstory a "myth"?

Ok that's extreme fanaticism.

Well, if I were in the market for a Mac I'd need more than an iMac and less than a Mac Pro...there's nothing. Plus I can always swap parts in and out of my PC at will. It'd harder to do that with a Mac, but getting better. That's why i think Apple is a little outrageous (I love my iPod though).

edit: don't tell me a G5 because they're horrible.

 

[Rubycon]

How is it cheaper when the Dell can be had for $1550?

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: MS Dawn
How is it cheaper when the Dell can be had for $1550?

Um, I'm not talking about eBay prices. If you want to do that, I think I can find a 30" Apple for $200 on the corner.

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: MS Dawn
How is it cheaper when the Dell can be had for $1550?

Um, I'm not talking about eBay prices. If you want to do that, I think I can find a 30" Apple for $200 on the corner.

Never said ebay. Our VAR gets them at that price with extended warranty. BNIB, drop shipped with tracking number sent from dell.com. 100% legit.

 

[DasFox]

I bought a Apple 23" they SUCK, so do DELL!

 

[w00t]

Originally posted by: DasFox
I bought a Apple 23" they SUCK, so do DELL!

actually, if you were to get the 2407WFP it would be worse than that apple 23'' due to banding issues.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: w00t

Originally posted by: DasFox
I bought a Apple 23" they SUCK, so do DELL!

actually, if you were to get the 2407WFP it would be worse than that apple 23'' due to banding issues.

The banding issues were fixed by a firmware upgrade right?

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: DasFox
I bought a Apple 23" they SUCK, so do DELL!

Wow, that's amazing. A coworker bought a Dell 2005WFP and HE said it sucked. He has also returned it like 3 times already due to blacklight bleeding issues. He still has the issue but has just gotten tired of returning it. So I'll go with Apple, Dell sucks.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: MS Dawn

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: MS Dawn
How is it cheaper when the Dell can be had for $1550?

Um, I'm not talking about eBay prices. If you want to do that, I think I can find a 30" Apple for $200 on the corner.

Never said ebay. Our VAR gets them at that price with extended warranty. BNIB, drop shipped with tracking number sent from dell.com. 100% legit.

That's great, now how can I go about getting it for $1550?

 

[Ika]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: MS Dawn

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: MS Dawn
How is it cheaper when the Dell can be had for $1550?

Um, I'm not talking about eBay prices. If you want to do that, I think I can find a 30" Apple for $200 on the corner.

Never said ebay. Our VAR gets them at that price with extended warranty. BNIB, drop shipped with tracking number sent from dell.com. 100% legit.

That's great, now how can I go about getting it for $1550?

Wait for a Dell coupon?

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: w00t

Originally posted by: DasFox
I bought a Apple 23" they SUCK, so do DELL!

actually, if you were to get the 2407WFP it would be worse than that apple 23'' due to banding issues.

The banding issues were fixed by a firmware upgrade right?

From Dell support:

Dell has a 2007FP, 2007WFP, 2407 firmware update (A02) that switches off the Faroudja video processing ACC (Adaptive Color and Contrast) & ACM (Active Color Management) features. This eliminates the banding issue when using the Desktop mode only (not in Multimedia Mode or Gaming Mode) using 1680 x 1050 at 60 Hz for the 2007FP/WFP and 1920 x 1200 at 60 Hz for the 2407. The factory in China has been working overtime to flash the monitors to the A02 firmware. This flash cannot be done at your home.

Sounds more like a hack than a fix.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Aflac

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: MS Dawn

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: MS Dawn
How is it cheaper when the Dell can be had for $1550?

Um, I'm not talking about eBay prices. If you want to do that, I think I can find a 30" Apple for $200 on the corner.

Never said ebay. Our VAR gets them at that price with extended warranty. BNIB, drop shipped with tracking number sent from dell.com. 100% legit.

That's great, now how can I go about getting it for $1550?

Wait for a Dell coupon?

Well that's fantastic, but there are no coupons out now, and haven't been any for a LONG time now for this monitor. So as for now, Apple's 30" is the best deal, hands down. That's like saying, how can I get the Apple 30" for cheaper than $1999? Wait for it to go on sale?

 

[krotchy]

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Well that's fantastic, but there are no coupons out now, and haven't been any for a LONG time now for this monitor. So as for now, Apple's 30" is the best deal, hands down. That's like saying, how can I get the Apple 30" for cheaper than $1999? Wait for it to go on sale?

Hmm, 1999... no thanks. Ill stick to the 1600 (with 3 year warranty) we paid for my 3007 2 months ago from compudirect. They since raised their price to 1800 (with 3 year warranty). Just because the Apple's MSRP is cheaper than the DELL right now doesnt mean anything. Dell allows other retailers to sell below MSRP, apple on the other hand will castrate any reseller that undercuts MSRP.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: krotchy

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Well that's fantastic, but there are no coupons out now, and haven't been any for a LONG time now for this monitor. So as for now, Apple's 30" is the best deal, hands down. That's like saying, how can I get the Apple 30" for cheaper than $1999? Wait for it to go on sale?

Hmm, 1999... no thanks. Ill stick to the 1600 (with 3 year warranty) we paid for my 3007 2 months ago from compudirect. They since raised their price to 1800 (with 3 year warranty). Just because the Apple's MSRP is cheaper than the DELL right now doesnt mean anything. Dell allows other retailers to sell below MSRP, apple on the other hand will castrate any reseller that undercuts MSRP.

Could you provide me a link where I could buy the 3007WFP for $1800?