Apple Vs. Microsoft

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Microsoft, I have not seen them forcing me to buy the hardware AND the software from them.

linux, they haven't FORCED me to use anything I didn't want to use....

Too bad the game industry FORCED me to use Microsoft.

actually, there is a lovely company called Transgaming
that will fix that problem for you.

Meh, let me know when it is free.

what a freeloader.

and yet I purchase Windows?

I am sorry, but I do not see the point in purchasing a software package to run emulated games under Linux when I could just run Windows.

it's a difference in philosophy.

THAT is the main difference between linux and windows

Besides.....I can guarantee you, that emulator is a lot cheaper then windows.

60-70 bucks tops compared to 130-250 bucks?

 

[jonessoda]

Neither of those statements in the poll apply to me. I used Windows for a long time because I'm a gamer and very few of the really good games go to Mac (is Half-Life 2 even on Mac yet?), and it was also a lot cheaper for similar or better hardware with PCs. Now I use Windows because of many reasons including the previous two, such as the plethora of open-source software available that's not available for Macintosh. I don't believe that Microsoft 'rocks my socks,' I believe it is the most useful to me of the available operating systems, and I do wish there were a better solution.

I don't use Linux, and I doubt I ever will for my main computer, because I don't need the complexity and aggravation on a daily basis (no offense to Linux users, that's just my experience), though when I set up my render farm I will undoubtedly use Linux of some flavor, as I will for any servers I use. The long-term stability and easy networking are better for those applications, to my mind, and there is no need to run the latest and greatest games or the Adobe Creative Suite in those roles.

 

[scottish144]

If Macs had games, I wouldn't have voted for MS.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
it's a difference in personal hygiene.

THAT is the main difference between linux and windows

Besides.....I can guarantee you, that emulator is a lot cheaper then windows.

60-70 bucks tops compared to 130-250 bucks?

Windows = OEM/free with many major hardware purchases, comes preconfigured or easy to configure.

Linux = Costs nothing except showering, shaving, using deodorant, attracting women, the loss of the "S" key on your keyboard, leading to di$cu$$ion$ looking $omewhat like thi$, your $anity, $pending hour$ looking for functional driver$ or patche$ to play a game over a LAN with your any friend$ you have, $ince they're not willing to $it in the $ame room a$ you for $ome con$ole gaming due to your $mell.

That about $um$ it up. 😛

- M4H

 

[remagavon]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
it's a difference in personal hygiene.

THAT is the main difference between linux and windows

Besides.....I can guarantee you, that emulator is a lot cheaper then windows.

60-70 bucks tops compared to 130-250 bucks?

Windows = OEM/free with many major hardware purchases, comes preconfigured or easy to configure.

Linux = Costs nothing except showering, shaving, using deodorant, attracting women, the loss of the "S" key on your keyboard, leading to di$cu$$ion$ looking $omewhat like thi$, your $anity, $pending hour$ looking for functional driver$ or patche$ to play a game over a LAN with your any friend$ you have, $ince they're not willing to $it in the $ame room a$ you for $ome con$ole gaming due to your $mell.

That about $um$ it up. 😛

- M4H

Bravo.
:thumbsup:

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
it's a difference in personal hygiene.

THAT is the main difference between linux and windows

Besides.....I can guarantee you, that emulator is a lot cheaper then windows.

60-70 bucks tops compared to 130-250 bucks?

Windows = OEM/free with many major hardware purchases, comes preconfigured or easy to configure.

Linux = Costs nothing except showering, shaving, using deodorant, attracting women, the loss of the "S" key on your keyboard, leading to di$cu$$ion$ looking $omewhat like thi$, your $anity, $pending hour$ looking for functional driver$ or patche$ to play a game over a LAN with your any friend$ you have, $ince they're not willing to $it in the $ame room a$ you for $ome con$ole gaming due to your $mell.

That about $um$ it up. 😛

- M4H

grow up M4H.

 

[chcarnage]

My father started computing with Apple hardware and I inherited all obsolete machines in my childhood. Sometimes and also at work I've used Windows but I never saw a reason to switch. I've never had a problem to find a good game for MacOS back then. In 1999/2000 I begun to play online with Quake III and Unreal Tournament and to do office things on the Mac. I now play less often but stayed loyal to the Mac platform also as a student. My antipathy towards Microsoft came from hearing about the Browser Wars, Antitrust lawsuit etc. and because their software for Macs in my opinion sucks. Yeah many laud Microsoft's Mac division but Windows Media Player for Mac, Office 98, Internet Explorer for Mac all sucked so bad...

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: Penth
When I first heard Apple was switching to x86 I wanted to try it. Since then I have had the chance to use a few friends apples and I don't care to try osx anymore. Every time I'm there he want to do something with it that he can't. I thought it was just supposed to work. Isn't that what apple sales people on?

One of them downloaded some episodes of the office from iTunes and was trying to get it to play on the tv. It took like 15 minutes to get the first episode to play. On my windows based network you could download a tv show on any computer and watch it on the media center immediately, no fudging with a keyboard or trying to get your computer out of standby or whatever the apple equivalent is. Media Center just works.

Your friend is a moron. It takes all of 10 seconds to plug another monitor/TV into a Mac. MUCH easier then a PC, because it automatically detects everything. Whatever he was doing that took 15 minutes, he was doing it wrong

Also, another example is that another friend wanted to export a graphic to mya from photoshop. He messed with it for two hours and didn't get it. I don't know if it's possible, but is certainly doesn't just work like I would expect. He also tried downloading some torrent. I'm sure this is a matter of his computer not being setup right but safari saves the torrent to the desktop then you need to open whatever torrent program he uses and take care of that. On my Windows box I click the link and the download starts. It just works.

Once again, your friend is a moron. You can't just export a graphic from maya to Photoshop, you have to render it. Maya and Photoshop on both OS X and XP are IDENTICAL. I've used both on both platforms. All you do in Maya is press the render button and then save it as an image and open in PS. The same steps as in Windows. As to Safari, I agree, thats dumb, but just use Firefox. It's the same program as the one on Windows.

Last one is availability of software. He was trying to find something to use newsgroups. I don't think he found anything good after 30 minutes of searching. Thank goodness there is one windows notebook in that place.

Apparently your friend doesn't know how to use Google. I'm a HUGE newsgroups user, and I can tell you that Unison on OS X owns every other newsgroup program I've used, on Windows and OS X. It RULES.

Anyway, after many hours spent on a mac I have to say that it is a lot of hype. There are some good things like the application removal and install and some of the built in software is pretty good. XP will keep me just fine until Vista arrives.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: arod
media center makes microsoft take the cake imo.

:thumbsup:

 

[Penth]

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: Penth
When I first heard Apple was switching to x86 I wanted to try it. Since then I have had the chance to use a few friends apples and I don't care to try osx anymore. Every time I'm there he want to do something with it that he can't. I thought it was just supposed to work. Isn't that what apple sales people on?

One of them downloaded some episodes of the office from iTunes and was trying to get it to play on the tv. It took like 15 minutes to get the first episode to play. On my windows based network you could download a tv show on any computer and watch it on the media center immediately, no fudging with a keyboard or trying to get your computer out of standby or whatever the apple equivalent is. Media Center just works.

Your friend is a moron. It takes all of 10 seconds to plug another monitor/TV into a Mac. MUCH easier then a PC, because it automatically detects everything. Whatever he was doing that took 15 minutes, he was doing it wrong

Also, another example is that another friend wanted to export a graphic to mya from photoshop. He messed with it for two hours and didn't get it. I don't know if it's possible, but is certainly doesn't just work like I would expect. He also tried downloading some torrent. I'm sure this is a matter of his computer not being setup right but safari saves the torrent to the desktop then you need to open whatever torrent program he uses and take care of that. On my Windows box I click the link and the download starts. It just works.

Once again, your friend is a moron. You can't just export a graphic from maya to Photoshop, you have to render it. Maya and Photoshop on both OS X and XP are IDENTICAL. I've used both on both platforms. All you do in Maya is press the render button and then save it as an image and open in PS. The same steps as in Windows. As to Safari, I agree, thats dumb, but just use Firefox. It's the same program as the one on Windows.

Last one is availability of software. He was trying to find something to use newsgroups. I don't think he found anything good after 30 minutes of searching. Thank goodness there is one windows notebook in that place.

Apparently your friend doesn't know how to use Google. I'm a HUGE newsgroups user, and I can tell you that Unison on OS X owns every other newsgroup program I've used, on Windows and OS X. It RULES.

Anyway, after many hours spent on a mac I have to say that it is a lot of hype. There are some good things like the application removal and install and some of the built in software is pretty good. XP will keep me just fine until Vista arrives.

The TV thing was messing up because every time he closed the laptop the image on the tv would turn off and he couldn't get it to stop. He had to change setting and get a bluetooth keyboard to let him wake the machine up while the cover was closed. My point here is that it didn't just work. He was able to figure it out, but my point is that he had to figure it out. I thought you don't have to do that on Macs.

With the photoshop/maya thing I'm not talking about rendering an image from maya, I"m talking about creating a stupid icon for some toolbar or script. I understand the applications are not built to work with each other and that they are the same on either platform. What I'm saying is that a lot of people try to sell apples based on this idea that you can just install your software and it just lets you get to work without making you configure it.

And I just tried searching google for newsgroup readers for mac, with variations including binary, os x, usenet etc. Unison doesn't come up anywhere high enough in the results to be easily found. Sure it exists and it may very well be great, but it's not as easy to find as a good windows news reader.

 

[EmperorIQ]

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: Cooler

Originally posted by: Looney
1) Wrong forum.
2) Add Linux.

Linux >Mac OS && windows

No it's not. Windows has better compatability. All linux is good for is nerds who think they are rebelling against the EVAL M$.

i'm going to have to agree with ntdz. I've used windows and linux. I think linux is great for a research environment. Where we are low on budget, need an OS, and also need to write out own code and modify the OS. But in general, over all, for the general public, windows will win hands down man. There are times when i'm installing programs in linux, and it takes me an hour or two just to find the libraries that it needs in order for it to run!!

Hyperblaze, I think you are over reacting a little. In fact, I really don't think there is even a good reason to constantly have these stupid debates. Why must people argue over these? it is all about personal preferences. You like the feeling of having full control, while others just don't care, and would like to have what they need running. I would say the best part about linux is that its open source, which calls out for more cooperation among software developers.

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: Penth

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: Penth
When I first heard Apple was switching to x86 I wanted to try it. Since then I have had the chance to use a few friends apples and I don't care to try osx anymore. Every time I'm there he want to do something with it that he can't. I thought it was just supposed to work. Isn't that what apple sales people on?

One of them downloaded some episodes of the office from iTunes and was trying to get it to play on the tv. It took like 15 minutes to get the first episode to play. On my windows based network you could download a tv show on any computer and watch it on the media center immediately, no fudging with a keyboard or trying to get your computer out of standby or whatever the apple equivalent is. Media Center just works.

Your friend is a moron. It takes all of 10 seconds to plug another monitor/TV into a Mac. MUCH easier then a PC, because it automatically detects everything. Whatever he was doing that took 15 minutes, he was doing it wrong

Also, another example is that another friend wanted to export a graphic to mya from photoshop. He messed with it for two hours and didn't get it. I don't know if it's possible, but is certainly doesn't just work like I would expect. He also tried downloading some torrent. I'm sure this is a matter of his computer not being setup right but safari saves the torrent to the desktop then you need to open whatever torrent program he uses and take care of that. On my Windows box I click the link and the download starts. It just works.

Once again, your friend is a moron. You can't just export a graphic from maya to Photoshop, you have to render it. Maya and Photoshop on both OS X and XP are IDENTICAL. I've used both on both platforms. All you do in Maya is press the render button and then save it as an image and open in PS. The same steps as in Windows. As to Safari, I agree, thats dumb, but just use Firefox. It's the same program as the one on Windows.

Last one is availability of software. He was trying to find something to use newsgroups. I don't think he found anything good after 30 minutes of searching. Thank goodness there is one windows notebook in that place.

Apparently your friend doesn't know how to use Google. I'm a HUGE newsgroups user, and I can tell you that Unison on OS X owns every other newsgroup program I've used, on Windows and OS X. It RULES.

Anyway, after many hours spent on a mac I have to say that it is a lot of hype. There are some good things like the application removal and install and some of the built in software is pretty good. XP will keep me just fine until Vista arrives.

The TV thing was messing up because every time he closed the laptop the image on the tv would turn off and he couldn't get it to stop. He had to change setting and get a bluetooth keyboard to let him wake the machine up while the cover was closed. My point here is that it didn't just work. He was able to figure it out, but my point is that he had to figure it out. I thought you don't have to do that on Macs.

With the photoshop/maya thing I'm not talking about rendering an image from maya, I"m talking about creating a stupid icon for some toolbar or script. I understand the applications are not built to work with each other and that they are the same on either platform. What I'm saying is that a lot of people try to sell apples based on this idea that you can just install your software and it just lets you get to work without making you configure it.

And I just tried searching google for newsgroup readers for mac, with variations including binary, os x, usenet etc. Unison doesn't come up anywhere high enough in the results to be easily found. Sure it exists and it may very well be great, but it's not as easy to find as a good windows news reader.

You do NOT need a Bluetooth keyboard in order to wake up the machine while the lid is closed. If it is an iBook, the feature does NOT exist. It can be done, but you need to use a third-party hack, which is considered "not allowed" by Apple. The Powerbooks have the feature built-in; as long as you have a mouse, display, and keyboard connected externally, just close the lid, and press a key on the keyboard and it WILL wake up.

How the hell can you blame Alias and Adobe for a interface problem in THEIR programs on Apple? That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard in the Mac vs. PC debate. It has no holding in the argument against ease of use in OS X, and is just pointless.

I typed in "OS X Newsreaders" on Google, and on the first page, I found a result listing all the OS X newsreader programs. Unison WAS on this list. If you need to find a program for OS X, I suggest Versiontracker; it has a huge library.

 

[Penth]

Originally posted by: SLCentral

You do NOT need a Bluetooth keyboard in order to wake up the machine while the lid is closed. If it is an iBook, the feature does NOT exist. It can be done, but you need to use a third-party hack, which is considered "not allowed" by Apple. The Powerbooks have the feature built-in; as long as you have a mouse, display, and keyboard connected externally, just close the lid, and press a key on the keyboard and it WILL wake up.

How the hell can you blame Alias and Adobe for a interface problem in THEIR programs on Apple? That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard in the Mac vs. PC debate. It has no holding in the argument against ease of use in OS X, and is just pointless.

I typed in "OS X Newsreaders" on Google, and on the first page, I found a result listing all the OS X newsreader programs. Unison WAS on this list. If you need to find a program for OS X, I suggest Versiontracker; it has a huge library.

Look, I'm not saying all of these problems are apples fault. I'm just saying that they exist. Whether or not you want to say the person trying to get the laptop to work with the lid closed is an idiot doesn't really matter to me. The point I'm trying to make is that he wanted to do something on his computer and it was more work than I would have expected after hearing all the hype from apple users.

Also, saying that the name of a good program exists on a list that is linked to on one of the pages of google when you don't know the name or quality of that piece of software doesn't really solve the problem that a good one was hard to find. Obviously if either of us looking for an OSX newsreader knew the name of a good one it would be easy to find.

Finally, I didn't say the Alias/Adobe interface was apple's problem at all. I know that neither program has anything to do with apple other than that they run on the OS. What I am saying is that this idea that most apple fans have that their computer are easier to use and just do the things like they want isn't true.

You have many of the same issues on an apple as you do on a PC. I'm not even saying it is a problem. It is expected by me that two programs made by different companies for different purpsed aren't necessarily going to work together without tweaking them and finding the proper plugin (if it even exists) for them to work together.

My basic point is that the two platforms aren't really that amazingly difference. Stability is good on both. Ease of use after you are familiar with the platform is good on both. Windows is very natural to use for me and OS X isn't, but I'm sure that with practice it would be fine. Taking all of that into account I don't really see the advantage in going with apple. Especially for the price.

 

[SampSon]

Never had a need to use a mac as my primary machine. The industry and all the software I ever use is all windows based, so there is no need to pay a premium for a mac.

I do like my older macs for fun though.

 

[Juno]

i'm neutral.

i'm an art major which i use mac for art programs but outside of art major, i play games on my custom built pc.