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Apple trying to stop Free streaming music and getting music removed from YouTube?

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miri

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http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/4/8540935/apple-labels-spotify-streaming

The Verge has learned that Apple has been pushing major music labels to force streaming services like Spotify to abandon their free tiers, which will dramatically reduce the competition for Apple’s upcoming offering.

Sources also indicated that Apple offered to pay YouTube’s music licensing fee to Universal Music Group if the label stopped allowing its songs on YouTube. Apple is seemingly trying to clear a path before its streaming service launches, which is expected to debut at WWDC in June. If Apple convinces the labels to stop licensing freemium services from Spotify and YouTube, it could take out a significant portion of business from its two largest music competitors.
 
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miri said:
Doesn't Apple have enough money?
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When you're the senior exec and head of Apple's streaming music division, why would you care how much money the company has when your and your team's bonus is dependent on the success of the streaming service?
 
blankslate said:
And the people who call us haters and Fandroids wonder why we don't like Apple....

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America is suppose to be a capitalist society. If you want everything for free try communism.

Look, I may not like what Apple is doing but why shouldn't they try to make as much money as possible? Do you sacrifice your salary for the benefit of others?
 
NutBucket said:
America is suppose to be a capitalist society. If you want everything for free try communism.

Look, I may not like what Apple is doing but why shouldn't they try to make as much money as possible? Do you sacrifice your salary for the benefit of others?
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Paying companies to stop doing business with competitors that provide free services to consumers is pretty dirty.
 
It sounds like Apple learned nothing from being caught after forming the cartel to control e-book prices and end competition there.

I suspect someone at the DoJ is raising an eyebrow and jotting notes for the future investigation . . . .
 
NutBucket said:
But it's not illegal.....

Again, what financial sacrifices do you make "for the benefit of society"?
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Free streaming sites don't do it for the benefit of society. They do it because advertising pays for it, something Apple is trying to get rid of.
 
And some day I'm sure broadcast television will go the way of the DoDo bird too for similar reasons. We may not like it but money talks.
 
miri said:
http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/4/8540935/apple-labels-spotify-streaming

The Verge has learned that Apple has been pushing major music labels to force streaming services like Spotify to abandon their free tiers, which will dramatically reduce the competition for Apple’s upcoming offering.

Sources also indicated that Apple offered to pay YouTube’s music licensing fee to Universal Music Group if the label stopped allowing its songs on YouTube. Apple is seemingly trying to clear a path before its streaming service launches, which is expected to debut at WWDC in June. If Apple convinces the labels to stop licensing freemium services from Spotify and YouTube, it could take out a significant portion of business from its two largest music competitors.
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Seems a bit counter intuitive. Youtube is free, sure, but it is also grossly inconvenient. I would think that it would be far better for any music streaming company to simply advertise on Youtube to subscribe. Imagine if every time you went to a free streaming music source you saw an ad for unlimited music for a flat rate per month. In my mind, the opportunity to advertise directly to your target market is far better than hoping your shotgun approach to marketing catches enough people.
 
That's open to interpretation in this situation IMHO. What's to stop Universal (or any label) from having one exclusive streaming source?
 
It is funny we bash Apple for doing this. If there was a service that offered people free games and paid pennies to developers, we'd be up in arms over it. We would love if a company, like Steam, was attempting to shut these services down and talk about how they are the champions of gamers and developers alike!

Apple does this for musicians, and gets shit for it. Let's face it, the majority of these free services are made ad revenue and isn't giving much to the content creators. Multiple artists have talked about Spotify and how they have received very little compensation for being played millions of times on that service.
 
NutBucket said:
America is suppose to be a capitalist society. If you want everything for free try communism.

Look, I may not like what Apple is doing but why shouldn't they try to make as much money as possible? Do you sacrifice your salary for the benefit of others?
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Any company can do whatever they like within the law to make as much money as possible but there is a reason these huge companies need an extra careful eye kept on them.

They have it within their power to monopolise any market they set their sights on. You are already paying the heavy price of internet and TV companies carving up America and setting stupidly high prices.

If they aren't breaking the law maybe the laws need changing, otherwise the only people who win are their shareholders.
 
Sounds more like a personal vendetta against Spotify. Wonder if Slacker and Pandora are in that mix.
 
smackababy said:
It is funny we bash Apple for doing this. If there was a service that offered people free games and paid pennies to developers, we'd be up in arms over it. We would love if a company, like Steam, was attempting to shut these services down and talk about how they are the champions of gamers and developers alike!

Apple does this for musicians, and gets shit for it. Let's face it, the majority of these free services are made ad revenue and isn't giving much to the content creators. Multiple artists have talked about Spotify and how they have received very little compensation for being played millions of times on that service.
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First, you seriously think this will benefit musicians? You're just plain ******* delusional as musicians have been getting majorly screwed every which way for decades. This will benefit Apple and the labels (while the labels use this "think of the poor musicians" ********* while they **** them over).

********. Apple is doing it for themselves, just like they did in e-books.

And those artists are ******* morons because they don't also complain about their music being on Youtube or the radio and getting paid even less for those instances. On top of that, most of those speaking out are ones that are already raking in ********* of money. It's like they think people are ******* idiots. By and large they're just being told to say that **** by their labels, and the only reason the artist is saying anything is because they were dumb enough to lock themselves to a label instead of going out on their own.

The music industry is just plain ******* broken, and they complain when it's their own ******* faults for the situation. Labels are the real issue here, always have been and they're the ones that have completely broken things and now are just complaining because them screwing the actual artists isn't getting them as much money as it used to. I'm sorry but **** them and especially **** the RIAA. Also **** Apple for pulling **** like this. If they actually cared about musicians they'd approach them to buyout their label deals and then offer to set them up on iTunes with a much larger cut of the profits.

While some profanity is okay, excessive profanity is not allowed - and that was excessive.
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I would bash any company doing something such as this. There's a fine line between capitalism and pure greed. That is the problem with "america" today, people seem to have forgotten what capitalism really stands for and defend dirty practices in the name of it. Then people also defend it by saying "its within the law". Everything is within the law until it isn't. When it is against the law, they find a loophole. If they can screw over someone else in the name of capitalism, they will. That is not good will, and it isn't something you shouldn't be proud to defend.

This is why there are monopolies, this is why there is a growing gap between executives and the working class. Give an inch take a mile. Sadly, people not only defend these things, they will justify it by actually paying money to them as well.

Defending a society based on lawsuits is just sad. It doesn't make you a better person at all, and makes it pretty hypocritical when many of these companies have done plenty of illegal things in the past to get where they are today. Just because they aren't in jail (since they can afford the lawyers), doesn't make them right.
 
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